Jesus Was a Leftist -- Just for You Vi

Dankdude

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Matthew 6:5-8

5 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

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Was an Anti-Capitalist

Matthew 19:23-26

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"

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Luke 12:15
15 Then he said to them, "Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions."

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Was a Hippy

  • Wore sandals
  • Had a beard
  • Had long hair
  • Spent extended amounts of time in the dessert by himself

Matthew 13:27

27 "The owner's servants came to him and said, `Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'

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Also see Genesis 1:11 - 12

Was a Surfer
  • Jesus "walked" on water (Dude!).

Matthew 14:22-25
22 Immediately Jesus made the disciples get into the boat and go on ahead of him to the other side, while he dismissed the crowd.

23 After he had dismissed them, he went up on a mountainside by himself to pray. When evening came, he was there alone,

24 but the boat was already a considerable distance from land, buffeted by the waves because the wind was against it.

25 During the fourth watch of the night Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake.

26 When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. "It's a ghost," they said, and cried out in fear.

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Was a Communist/Socialist (perhaps the first)

Note: Both Jesus and Karl Marx were Jewish

Matthew 19:21

21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.

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Acts 4:32-35

32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had.
33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all.
34 There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales
35 and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.

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Was an Anarchist

Mark 10:42-45

42 Jesus called them together and said, "You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them.
43 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant,
44 and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all.
45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

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Was Antiwar

Matthew 5:21

21 "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, `Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.'

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Matthew 5:44

44 "Love your enemies"

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Matthew 5:9

9 "Blessed are the peacemakers"

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I Peter 3:8-9

8 Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble.
9 Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.

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Romans 12:17
17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody.

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Romams 12:21
21 "Be not overcome with evil, but overcome evil with good."

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James 4:1
1 What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don't they come from your desires that battle within you?

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Was Against the Death Penalty

Matthew 5:38-39
38 "You have heard that it was said, `Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'
39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

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Was Pro-Choice (proven by what Moses wrote)

Exodus 21:22-23
(Word of God from Moses)
22 "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely [1] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows.
23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life,

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John 5:46
46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.

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Wouldn't Own a Gun

Matthew 26:52
52 "Put up again thy sword into his place; for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."

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Would Support Gay Rights
Interestingly, there is not one mention of homosexuality in the gospel. You'd think that was all the gospel is about, considering how some Christians emphasize gay and lesbian issues. There isn't a mention of whether Jesus was straight or not. An argument against homosexuality for Christians is that the purpose of life is to reproduce, even though jesus didn't have kids.

Other Things Jesus Would Do Today (No references, but you know he would)
Jesus would picket in solidarity with workers

Jesus would do something about the politicians cutting welfare and using his name for their own political advancement

 
Dankdude

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Vi Before you post up the Jesus Was No Leftist Article, I already read it and the writer has no scripture to back his position....
 
ViRedd

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Dear Dankster ...

When Jesus said "give up all your possessions," he was talking about giving them up voluntarily ... not by force at the point of government's gun. I don't think Jesus believed in legalized theft, Dank.

And, Jesus was a very practable person. If he were alive today, he'd be driving a huge 4x4 SUV, perhaps even a Hummer. After all Dank, he had twelve disciples to haul around and he spent a lot of time out in the desert. :blsmoke:

Vi
 
7xstall

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Jesus didn't care about politics. "give unto Caesar what is Caesar's." end game.

some of the points are logical but it goes south when you get to the gay rights stuff. read up on what he said about marriage, divorce and sins against the body (temple)... oh yeah, your mom was a minister so you already knew those things... :)






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Dankdude

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At least I had the scriptures to back up my argument.... Homosexuality was only covered in the Old Testament, not in the New Testament. If Jesus taught anything he taught tolerance... So there you are wrong 7x.... I doubt you have the biblical education that I do... I've only been studying the bible since I was 10, (1972).

And yes My mom is a Licensed Minister with the Assembly of God Church.
I highly doubt you can beat me on biblical teachings my friend.
Vi you have any scripture to back up your assumption.
What Christ taught was the purist form of Socialism. Go back and read your bible Vi.
 
ViRedd

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And did I hear Dank say that Jesus was a Marxist because he was a Jew? Kinda like, all Jews are Marxists? Hey Dank ... go tell that one to Dennis Prager. *lol*

Vi
 
Dankdude

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Tongue and cheek Vi, I thought you of all would recognize that.... Kind of Like Jesus being a Surfer. :rolleyes: And you talk about Liberals having no sense of Humor.
 
ViRedd

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Dankdude said:
Tongue and cheek Vi, I thought you of all would recognize that.... Kind of Like Jesus being a Surfer. :rolleyes: And you talk about Liberals having no sense of Humor.
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Well, its true, Dank. You Libbies don't have a sense of humor. Proof: My SUV/Hummer thingie was a joke. Here's your reaction to it:

"Vi you have any scripture to back up your assumption."

Or, were you referring to my statement that Jesus didn't believe in legalized theft? If so, "Thou shalt not steal" is pretty clear to me. Even though Jesus didn't say that, he DID say: " "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another" (John 13:34).

So, "loving one another" would mean give to each other in time of need on a VOLUNTARY basis. If that's not what Jesus meant, then where does he allude to FORCED charity? And by the way Dank ... socialism the way its meant in today's world means wealth redistribution by government edict. In other words, forced charity.

Vi
 
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what's a libbie?

max weber has your answers. if not, stephen hawking might but idk if he's published them.
 
suicidesamurai

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Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Do you have any idea how many liberal anti-capitalists live in the Hollywood Hills in multi-million dollar mansions? All those socialist weasels that preach to us about the health care system, "the corporations", and global warming, while flying around in private jets sipping Cristal.
 
7xstall

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Dankdude said:
At least I had the scriptures to back up my argument.... Homosexuality was only covered in the Old Testament, not in the New Testament. If Jesus taught anything he taught tolerance... So there you are wrong 7x.... I doubt you have the biblical education that I do... I've only been studying the bible since I was 10, (1972).

And yes My mom is a Licensed Minister with the Assembly of God Church.
I highly doubt you can beat me on biblical teachings my friend.
Vi you have any scripture to back up your assumption.
What Christ taught was the purist form of Socialism. Go back and read your bible Vi.
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you have no clue what tolerance is, especially if you honestly believe that Jesus would support the destruction of the family that His Father created. Jesus wasn't ignoring the evil of others and forsaking them to eternity in hell, quite the opposite and i think you have missed the purpose of His life. He was not sent to judge, nor are we, but to embrace intentional disregard for the natural order is not tolerance, that's plain foolishness on the level of a child.

at no point did Jesus say, "disregard the law of the OT, dad was wrong, that stuff's old skool and we don't need it anymore."

{Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.}

what Jesus did was battle the traditions and other man-made perversions of the law that the pharisees were so proud of, he re-aligned the people back to true faith instead of external religion.

if you know anything at all about His life you know that He always raised the bar. when questioned about divorce He raised the bar. when questioned about the traditions, raised the bar. when questioned about faith, raised the bar. (if you aren't familiar with the verses i can paste them in.)


Matthew 15:19-20

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man:


what is "fornications" dank? because marriage is defined as a union between man and woman, do you think sex outside of marriage is anything other than fornication? if so, verses please... same goes for any redefining of what marriage is, verses for that also please.

Jesus took part in a separate economy from the currencies of the world, you'll have no argument about that from me, but it's quite disgusting when people try to convert His humility into acceptance of evil.






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Plato Is Boring

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7xstall said:
Matthew 15:19-20 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man:

what is "fornications" dank? because marriage is defined as a union between man and woman, do you think sex outside of marriage is anything other than fornication? if so, verses please... same goes for any redefining of what marriage is, verses for that also please.
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This may be a bit off topic, but isn't the divorce rate drastically higher in the bible belt than the liberal coasts? What's the state with the lowest divorce rate? Yup, that'd be good ol' gay-marriage-loving, liberal Massachusetts. That's not according to either of the Times, but from the U.S. Census Bureau. And why in the hell are we looking to the bible for moral guidance? You can find other moral philosophers that could suit your needs better. You wouldn't have to minimalize the acceptance or advocation of slavery, needless deaths, and general barbaric acts that accompanies nearly everything contrived thousands of years ago. I don't know anyone who can look at Abraham and Isaac and rationalize how that's not some of the most fucked up shit ever. And if you say Kierkegaard, well fuck you and Kierkegaard. He's almost as crazy as the mythical Abraham.
 
Dankdude

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7xstall said:
you have no clue what tolerance is, especially if you honestly believe that Jesus would support the destruction of the family that His Father created. Jesus wasn't ignoring the evil of others and forsaking them to eternity in hell, quite the opposite and i think you have missed the purpose of His life. He was not sent to judge, nor are we, but to embrace intentional disregard for the natural order is not tolerance, that's plain foolishness on the level of a child.

at no point did Jesus say, "disregard the law of the OT, dad was wrong, that stuff's old skool and we don't need it anymore."

{Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.}

what Jesus did was battle the traditions and other man-made perversions of the law that the pharisees were so proud of, he re-aligned the people back to true faith instead of external religion.

if you know anything at all about His life you know that He always raised the bar. when questioned about divorce He raised the bar. when questioned about the traditions, raised the bar. when questioned about faith, raised the bar. (if you aren't familiar with the verses i can paste them in.)


Matthew 15:19-20

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man:


what is "fornications" dank? because marriage is defined as a union between man and woman, do you think sex outside of marriage is anything other than fornication? if so, verses please... same goes for any redefining of what marriage is, verses for that also please.

Jesus took part in a separate economy from the currencies of the world, you'll have no argument about that from me, but it's quite disgusting when people try to convert His humility into acceptance of evil.

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Still The message that Jesus taught was tolerance, remember "Judge not lest ye be judged"?
Second The So called christians of this nation should remember that marriage is a religious institution and not a legal right. (thus marriage isn't defined as anything. Man's law is what defined marriage)
Now if you do not beleive that Jesus taught tolerance just remember who he hung out with..... The Dregs of Society, he hung out with the whores, drunks and yes even the queers. You see you can not convert those who are already saved. Homosexuallity is all through the bible, especially in the old testament. But unless you read into the original Greek and Hebrew translations (which I have) you would not recognize this.

You don't need to paste verses for me... I'm sure that I am more famillure with them than you are, even more so since I also have just about every translation of the bible that you or I can think of.
Let's see, King James, NIV, Living Bible, Greek, Hebrew, Strongs Chain Concordance (just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.)

Please know what your talking about if you want to challenge me 7x.

In light of New medical evedence, there is a medical reason for homosexuallity.
It is caused by a hormonal imbalance in early youth, so condeming a person based on a medical condition would be wrong.
 
7xstall

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Plato Is Boring said:
This may be a bit off topic, but isn't the divorce rate drastically higher in the bible belt than the liberal coasts? What's the state with the lowest divorce rate? Yup, that'd be good ol' gay-marriage-loving, liberal Massachusetts. That's not according to either of the Times, but from the U.S. Census Bureau. And why in the hell are we looking to the bible for moral guidance? You can find other moral philosophers that could suit your needs better. You wouldn't have to minimalize the acceptance or advocation of slavery, needless deaths, and general barbaric acts that accompanies nearly everything contrived thousands of years ago. I don't know anyone who can look at Abraham and Isaac and rationalize how that's not some of the most fucked up shit ever. And if you say Kierkegaard, well fuck you and Kierkegaard. He's almost as crazy as the mythical Abraham.
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i would, in fact, say Keirkegaard; as a result both my reason and my words must be dismissed from your further consideration... unless you can bear it.

my argument is not one of current social trends but rather the baseless assumption that Jesus would tolerate homosexuality as some alternative lifestyle any more than He would tolerate the sale of sacrificial animals at the temple entrance.

as far as the trends go, i can only imagine that token exposure to the beliefs and ideals of Christianity is of more detriment than no exposure at all. Paul expands on this quite well with his mention of the lukewarm church. maybe the people who think themselves high and mighty because they were "brought up" in church have forgotten their debt and waived their responsibility?





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Dankdude

Dankdude

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7xstall said:
my argument is not one of current social trends but rather the baseless assumption that Jesus would tolerate homosexuality as some alternative lifestyle any more than He would tolerate the sale of sacrificial animals at the temple entrance.

as far as the trends go, i can only imagine that token exposure to the beliefs and ideals of Christianity is of more detriment than no exposure at all. Paul expands on this quite well with his mention of the lukewarm church. maybe the people who think themselves high and mighty because they were "brought up" in church have forgotten their debt and waived their responsibility?

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That would make your assumption baseless. There is a big difference between a human behavior and defiling the temple by turning it into a place of commerce.
Jesus was a lot deeper than you give him credit for. Like I said, look at the people he hung out with.
And if he were the son of god, then he would have known that Homosexuality is a hormonal imbalance. Now I don't think myself High and mighty as you say, But I am sure that I have a better understanding of the bible than you.

Please tell me of the debt you say we owe?
All that is required is that you except Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour.
Again you know nothing of which you speak.
 
7xstall

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Dankdude said:
Still The message that Jesus taught was tolerance, remember "Judge not lest ye be judged"?
Second The So called christians of this nation should remember that marriage is a religious institution and not a legal right. (thus marriage isn't defined as anything. Man's law is what defined marriage)
Now if you do not beleive that Jesus taught tolerance just remember who he hung out with..... The Dregs of Society, he hung out with the whores, drunks and yes even the queers. You see you can not convert those who are already saved. Homosexuallity is all through the bible, especially in the old testament. But unless you read into the original Greek and Hebrew translations (which I have) you would not recognize this.

You don't need to paste verses for me... I'm sure that I am more famillure with them than you are, even more so since I also have just about every translation of the bible that you or I can think of.
Let's see, King James, NIV, Living Bible, Greek, Hebrew, Strongs Chain Concordance (just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.)

Please know what your talking about if you want to challenge me 7x.

In light of New medical evedence, there is a medical reason for homosexuallity.
It is caused by a hormonal imbalance in early youth, so condeming a person based on a medical condition would be wrong.
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we agree, true marriage exists without and separate from the sanction of the states.

i also realize that Jesus associated almost solely with the most troubled people in society, that's the example that pious people often forget. what you are leaving out is the fact that He "hung out" with them not to justify their behavior but to change it. He didn't tell the prostitutes to keep on keepin' on dank. He didn't tell the corrupt tax collector to continue his stealing.

He attacked the problems directly, face to face and confronted sinners (which we all are) with something miraculous; forgiveness.

with all your copies and translations you have nothing to show that Jesus would support the homosexual lifestyle, nothing. it's absolutely ridiculous to say otherwise.


as far as your reference to hormones, that has nothing to do with behavioral choices but i'd still like to see this evidence... for years they have been desperately searching for a genetic cause, environmental, social, etc... but it always comes down to a personal choice. if it were anything other than choice there would be a 0 occurance of one identical twin being gay while the other is not.



i personally don't care if they have their false marriage ceremonies, and play house or whatever they want to do with their lives but don't deceive people and rob them of the opportunity to experience better things in life by saying Jesus would be fine with it.





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Dankdude

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You see what you are saying here is no different that that asshole in Kansas, if you want to bring certain groups into the kingdom you are to love them into the kingdom. hatred won't get them there. You don't have to overlook the sin, but you have to tolerate it.
 
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