UncleBuck
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want to make $14?
Justifying Corporate Salaries in America
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Fogdog
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"Nazis make up a percentage of total amount of Christian persecutions"?
Care to explain that?
Its history, and its not precise. Estimations are all that is really out there as far as numbers go. They speculate but only the Nazi's could know, and even they didn't have a exact number.
UncleSexOffenderBuck was attempting to suggest that I didn't know Nazi's were "christians".....probably as much as ISIS is "Muslim"
UncleSexOffenderBuck was attempting to suggest that I didn't know Nazi's were "christians".....probably as much as ISIS is "Muslim"
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UncleBuck
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ISIS originated in muslim majority countries.
nazis were born out of a 98% white and christian nation.
Fogdog
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Nazis killed six million Jews. This is pretty well documented. That's a lot of people. In order for it to be a "small fraction", how small? 1%? That would put the number of murdered Jews at 600 million. If 10% then that would be 60 million over the past 1500 years. According to Wikipedia, "The worldwide Jewish population (comprising the Middle East and the rest of Europe) was estimated at 1.2 million.[46]" in 1764. Your numbers seem made up. The Nazis killed a significant number of Jews. I don't know why you would minimize that.'
Totally agree that the state of Israel is a malevolent presence in the Middle East. Also agree that their depredations on Palestinian population is inexcusable. I'm just wondering why you would defend Nazis.
Fogdog
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MarWan says ISIS are Mossad agents.
Hitler and the really hard core Nazis didn't approve of Christianity because Jesus was a Jew. They were promoting a neo-pagan religion to replace troublesome Catholic and Protestant Christianity.
Six Million exactly? I am not minimizing anything. Its perpetuated speculation, literally. Jews have been around for about 3500 years. In that time, more have died outside of the Holocaust over the history of Jews, than they did in it.
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10008193
Calculating exactly how many is a impossible task, given the circumstances. More so, documenting how many Jews died in the Crusades or in other accounts of history...is a very undocumented account. There is just no real numbers. It is speculated 6 million died in the Holocaust....I am a jew by Birth. I am not defending the Nazi's period and I appreciate it if you would reconsider your wonder.
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ISIS was founded.....is all speculation. There is no direct answer. They identify as being Muslims on social media, all while being rejected as so, by a large part, of the Muslim community.
Most Christians today, and then, did not consider the Nazi's Christians. How could anyone really?
I am Jewish because the large majority of Jews believe that because my mother was a jew, I am a Jew. I do not practice Judaism. By blood, and blood only, I am identified as a Jew, by Jews. Despite not identifying myself as one.
Most Christians today, and then, did not consider the Nazi's Christians. How could anyone really?
I am Jewish because the large majority of Jews believe that because my mother was a jew, I am a Jew. I do not practice Judaism. By blood, and blood only, I am identified as a Jew, by Jews. Despite not identifying myself as one.
ttystikk
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He has a narrow mind and his agenda is to spew hate at anyone who doesn't parrot his approved lines, period. ...and then he has the gall to call others haters!
Don't bother trying to educate him, he doesn't want to know any more than Donald the Chump does. I know, I've tried. Sometimes you just can't fix stupid.
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Fogdog
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Who cares if it's 4 million or 8 million? I'm just saying that the worldwide population wasn't large for most of history, which is why I quoted the estimate of 1.2 million Jews as late as 1764. It doesn't make sense to say the "approximate" number of 6 million killed is a small fraction of those killed by Christians before then. You realize that until 600 AD, Christianity was a very minor religion, don't you?
Are you saying the number killed by Nazis was less than 4 million? I'd say you are a holocaust denier if you did.
Fogdog
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Do you have an argument with the facts I presented?
ttystikk
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Buck has a problem with you because you have relevant personal experience and your own mind. That tells you everything you need to know about his modus operandi.
Its UncleSexOffenderBuck now. He openly attempted to solicit oral sex in exchange for $14 USD. Just to later back track and claim in was a "power move" and I shouldn't flatter myself.
He's a coward. And this marks the last thing I have to say about it, or respond to it. It is not worth it.
Thank you for the kindness. That is what Iike to see around cannabis.
UncleBuck
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cool2bum is back.
I am whatever you say I am.
I was not there, nor was anyone but the Jews and the Nazi's. Believing any number is speculation. I do believe the Holocaust was a real human tragedy. Millions were murdered, how many millions.....Who in the Fuck knows but the Jews that perished and the Nazi's. You could spend a lifetime trying to put a figure to the tragedy. There are groups dedicated to researching just that, an exact number. Who was before and who was not present after WW2 is a puzzle I doubt humanity will ever solve.
You realize you could be attempting accusing a blood Jew, of being a holocaust denier? Read my older post. BOTH my grandparents were killed man. Thats a really short minded thing to suggest, and wrong, morally. You come across like you have empirical knowledge, and you do not. You are being civil, and I appreciate that, but please do not come across like that. Its uncalled for.
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UncleBuck
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shut up bitch
TL;DR
Fogdog
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Yeah I read your post. People can say whatever they like here. I have no idea who I'm talking to. You can claim to be whatever you like, your claims have no basis here and it really doesn't matter. A Jew can be an antisemitic. All that is required is to believe that Jews are somehow inferior to others.
I am pointing out that in your recent posts, you say many of the same things holocaust deniers say. For example, your statement, "Who was before and who was not present after WW2 is a puzzle I doubt humanity will ever solve." is a well known holocaust denial argument. That there was a holocaust is a fact and doesn't require, as you put it, belief. If one looks at the record, there can be no doubt that it happened.
The reason I'm harping on this is because the holocaust ranks as one of the most terrible crimes against humanity in the modern age. The terrible crime of the holocaust discredits the belief of antisemitism. By extension, the motivation and events of the holocaust discredits anybody afflicted with racism or bigotry against a group of people. This is inconvenient to fascists and others who would use scapegoating of a minority to increase their power and influence. Including the burgeoning alt right that is a growing canker sore on US society today. This is why holocaust denial is such a vile lie.
If all you are expressing is cynicism that anything can be known, then I say facts do exist and the holocaust is one of them. You should read more.
Regarding your complaints of Israel, I have no argument with you. I just don't want there to be another holocaust, Palestinian, Jew or anybody else. So, I defend facts and the truth about this.
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I respect and appreciate your response. I am making that claim for an affirmation of truth and not in a reference or an argument of denial. Its just the truth. Its can be used as a proponent to an argument of denial, but I am not attempting that, ever.
In regards to the remainder of your post, I simply could not agree more. I believe the holocaust happened as a matter of fact. I believe that the exact number is still unknown to this day, as a fact.
I am no different in defense, It is worth standing up for, and it is worth getting to the truth.
I don't think most of humanity wants to see another holocaust for any group of humans. But, I am not hopeful that a resolution is possible for both the Palestinians and the Israelis. There is not much capacity for war, but I see a perfect scenario for a holocaust ...this time it being those prisoners of Gaza and the West Bank.