Discussion in 'California Patients' started by TWS, Jan 6, 2016.
hate to say it , but I agree, Im a no also......
When the swat pigs come to break in your front door, and steal everything that you have, maybe you will think that you voted wrong.
You'll have no one to blame but yourself.
too much catering to special interest bro, sells out the patient & the little guy. Poorly written, what we have now is better...
What we have now is swat pigs busting in our doors!
If you're not worried about that, you should be.
All of the idiots who campaigned against Prop 19 in 2010 said there is no reason to worry, we will have a better initiative in 2 years. Many of those same idiots have been busted in the 6 years since then, and they are now wishing that they had voted Yes.
Don't be one of those idiots!
How is this gonna change ?
You think if they determine you are not paying enough taxes they wont come for you ?
This is about money, not helping Marijuana users.
Poorly written, I'll wait for the next bill...
Just look out of your windows every morning for the swat pigs then!
I have done that every day since they broke into my home.
I hope that your no votes will not matter, since the Initiative is polling at 60 percent to pass.
We have a bad choice of presidential candidates and a poorly written cannabis bill....
We are truly fucked this election....
Thank you for your response & letting me voice mine
I'm going to have to vote no on this one as well. As Bob Bitchen and doublejj said, a poorly written bill that benefits the wealthy special interests too much.
Its already over I'm pretty sure. Legalization in California to fund Gavin and his big business is coming crashing down hard. Lets be honest people we know are not going to be freed because of 64.
Well, if you nay-sayers have your way, marijuana legalization efforts will be set back 10 years.
We may never have another chance to legalize in this State. The entire World is looking at California to pass this, so that they can make some progress in this cause too.
If you don't realize that, then you are not paying attention!
Hopefully this will pass, and we will all be better off from now on.
Here is Bruce Margolin's opinion on it, and he is also a 40-year activist for this cause:
LA NORML Executive Director Bruce Margolin Explains Why He Supports California’s Proposition 64
The attorney and longtime advocate for legalization questions the naysayers.
Veteran attorney Bruce Margolin is Executive Director of the Los Angeles chapter of NORML and author of The Margolin Guide to Marijuana Laws. For more than 40 years, he has been advocating for cannabis legalization in both the state of California and at the federal level.
In an exclusive interview with MERRY JANE, Margolin shared his thoughts about California’s Proposition 64. The initiative, if approved by voters, would result in a law called the Adult Use of Marijuana Act (AUMA). The controversial ballot initiative is predicted to pass and would make possession, consumption, and limited cultivation of pot legal for adults in the nation’s most populous state.
MERRY JANE: California pioneered legal medical cannabis 20 years ago. But now Alaska, Colorado, Oregon, and Washington are ahead for adult use. How does this translate to AUMA?
Bruce Margolin: Over the years, we’ve been putting otherwise good people in jail because of the ambiguities and the unfairness of the marijuana laws. So now AUMA has morphed these laws into involving licenses instead of incarceration.
AUMA will replace the cumbersome laws that have put so many people in jeopardy of going to jail, losing their livelihood, and destroying their families.
The Los Angeles Times, on Oct. 4, ran an article entitled “The push to legalize pot for all has deeply divided the medical marijuana community.” Is that what you see?
I think there’s a certain number of people out there who want to aggrandize themselves by being naysayers. Everything is bad, it’s horrible, it’s terrible. I don’t think it’s deeply divided at all. I think there are a few people who misunderstand the laws.
People are saying that the medical marijuana people are going to be pushed out of business because of taxes and because patients won’t be able to afford marijuana. To that I say: The cost of marijuana is going to go down tremendously. It happened in Colorado; it’ll happen in California. With competition coming into place, prices will drop significantly.
Nobody likes taxes. But they’re a reality of life. And taxes are better than incarceration. We’re talking about legalizing marijuana. It’ll take the stigma out of it and remove all of the [negative] things that have come with the enforcement of these terrible marijuana laws that we’ve had in place in California since 1915.
How else do you believe that AUMA would be better than Proposition 215?
The right of patients in California to grow marijuana, which was established by Prop 215, are no longer in place. This is because the Court of Appeals has held that the land use rights of cities and counties override the rights of patients to grow marijuana. In the County of Los Angeles, for example, patients can’t grow one seed of marijuana...not one plant.
Also, under AUMA, probable cause based on smell is not legal, which is huge! That’s been their tool to arrest people. So what’s the division about? These naysayers are the people who are not reading AUMA carefully and don’t want to listen to the facts.
I know people in Northern California who are very anxious to hold onto their little fiefdom up there and their monopoly. We had Prop 19 [California’s 2010 adult use initiative] on the ballot; they fucked it up by not voting for it. We lost by just a few percentage points as a result. I hope that doesn’t happen again.
In my mind, anyone who wants to vote against legalization is doing a disservice to themselves and to all the other people who suffer under the current laws. Under AUMA, you can have an ounce and give it away or drive around with it; you can grow it in your house.
What about the claim by some AUMA opponents that it will wipe out dispensaries?
Dispensaries are already destroyed because Senate Bill 420 is finished in 2018. AB-266 says that, by 2018, you have to have both a local license and a state license to be in business. It has nothing to do with AUMA. It has to do with AB-266, passed by the legislature in 2015. Dispensaries are dead!
What message would you like to deliver to voters in California regarding Prop 64?
Unequivocally, without reservation, yes on 64. Stop putting our brothers and sisters in jail. Let’s take the stigma out of marijuana and let it be what it should be: A sacred herb given to us by the divine for whatever purpose we want, whether it’s medical, so-called recreational, or spiritual.
I think we've discussed this Proposition enough.
If you are still unsure about voting Yes on Prop 64, please read this article by High Times:
Meet the Marijuana Lifers that California's Prop 64 Could Set Free
Vote Yes on Prop 64. It has been far too long for this war on growers, and your Yes vote will help to stop it.
First sentence from your article. "The Adult Use of Marijuana Act (AUMA)— is a 62-page manifesto of government over-regulation." This is why I will vote no. People can still go to jail under Prop 64, plus the state will make a killing off issuing tickets. Everyone supports legalization, but why at the cost of a different kind of punishment? Why couldn't we have legislature that still frees these individuals, instead of this quid pro que shit they are pulling. Forcing medical patients to sign up with the state or be taxed is bullshit too. Now, college kids 18-20 will face jail time and a $500 fine if caught will cannabis. Anyone who give an 18-20yr old cannabis would face the same punishment. At the moment these are only minor infractions. Really we are just trading one evil for a different kind.
"none of these arrests are for offenses that Prop. 64 would legalize.
Contrary to what one might expect from something calling itself a "legalization” initiative, Prop. 64 keeps nearly all cannabis laws on the books. Most of the offenses that people could get arrested for – such as selling small amounts, large-scale trafficking, growing more than six plants and possessing more than one ounce – will remain arrestable, criminal misdemeanors and/or felonies if Prop. 64 passes, punishable by up to 6 months in jail or up to four years in state prison."
If you vote No on Prop 64, then you are voting with the pigs, and they are our enemy in this War On Drugs. These are the people who have been waging this war on us for over 40 years! Here is a partial list of the pigs who you are agreeing with:
California Association of Highway Patrolmen,
California Police Chiefs Association,
Association of Los Angeles Deputy Sheriffs,
Association of Orange County Deputy Sheriffs,
California College and University Police Chiefs Association,
California Correctional Supervisors Association,
California District Attorneys Association,
California Narcotic Officers Association,
California Peace Officers Association [Prison Guards Union],
California State Sheriffs’ Association,
Los Angeles County Professional Peace Officers,
Los Angeles Police Protective League,
Peace Officers Research Association of California,
Riverside County Law Enforcement Administrators Association,
Riverside Deputy Sheriffs Association,
San Diego Police Officers Association.
If you vote No, then you are voting with our enemy. Figure it out!
I'm agreeing with the pigs by voting yes! The police are not gonna just roll over and let us have legalization. Giving the police groups 20% of taxes brought in to the state is not a good idea at all. You are literally giving the groups you just listed a shit ton more power whether you believe it or not. Prop 47 already reduced non-violent felonies to misdemeanors. I'm genuinely confused on what you believe is actually going to benefit everyone. Now we can carry an ounce? Already could. Now, I can grow 6 plants? Already could. Now if we get caught with more, you're screwed. I can't grow outside anymore, only greenhouse. I can't smoke a joint with my 20 yr old brother, or I could be labeled a felon. If I grow more than 6 without a license costing in the thousands, jail time. I do not support the potential for thousands of kids to end up as felons because of these laws, just so a few lifers can get out. A lot of the life sentences aren't just from marijuana, but usually an addition to the three strikes law. I do not support the three strikes law, but that doesn't mean i'm gonna screw over kids to heal what others have done criminally with their lives in the past. Interestingly enough, the ones who will really suffer are the minority children. They will probably take the blunt force of this as statistics show. As far as the prop freeing people, I don't really believe that there is going to be a huge number of people freed. Under Prop 64, most of their crimes still aren't legal under the new laws, so good luck. Most of the people I know in jail got caught with 100 plus units, or 300 lights. Both would not be covered under Prop 64
Now that Prop 64 has passed may I suggest that all of us who can polish their resumes and get to work for the BMMR? One way to ameliorate this is from within.
Sorry , could you please explain ?
The Bureau of Medical Marijuana Regulation is the state agency under the DCA (Department of Consumer Affairs), that will regulate and enforce these laws. The more of us employed with them the better is my thinking.
Ahhh, gotcha .
Sorry for being so uninformed but it seems like I keep reading different shit everywhere.... so what does this do to patients rights? Is prop 215 effected?
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