lets talk yield, .5g to 2.5 grams per watt. how can we get there?

ttystikk

ttystikk

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since1991 said:
Btw.....i see what ya did...you meant pounds per lamp...not grams per watt. I gotcha now holmes. Oh and you betcha....some way to mount double ended in a vertical position....people would crush it. But alas...vert de as of now is a no go. By the time that happens cob led will be it for total indoors i think. Just before it all moves outdoors or in greenhouses because the price will be so low it wont be worth it to run total indoors with monthly electric bills. Economy of scale my fellow growers....economy of scale.
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Except that COB LED is so efficient it makes sense in many applications where HID never could.

But in terms of economies of scale you're absolutely correct.
 
Slab

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since1991 said:
Ive seen some youtube vids where these greenhouses in Colorado and Oregon are just silly with what they can do with cannabis. Theres one vid where this company has a total state of the art big operation with all the bells and whistles. Light dep covers and P.L. lamps for supplement. Sensors and Dosatrons that only feed and water when needed. Not timed. In thick slabs of Pelemix Coco coir . Basically what they been doing with big greenhouse tomato and pepper ops but packed full of cannabis varieties instead. Just amazing. And makes home hobbyists and even full warehouse grows pale in comparison. Especially in input costs versus return.
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I am all about the slabs lol.
Spent a lot of time researching Israeli methods. Much of what you described, along with Huge vertical set ups. Transparent walls that operate like a dry cleaners rack. Blown away.

I can see scaffolding 30-40 ft high in the next few years, being the trend.

I am looking to yeild less, I want strain that takes 4 months to flower, offers only a couple ounces and the thought of a second hit scares you :p
 
Alienwidow

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ttystikk said:
It's the thread title, brother. Lol
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Ya i know lol, i just figured since i put lbs after all the numbers that everyone reading would just make the 450g math in their head.....x 2=900g/1000w light. Or x2.5=1125/1000w light. But i do see how the thread title and my comments got confusing. Its like that mind fuck joke...ask ten people quickly what do you put in a toaster and usually theyll say toast. But its bread. Toast comes out. Bread goes in. What were we talking about? I think im too high for this right now. Good talk.
 
since1991

since1991

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Slab said:
I am all about the slabs lol.
Spent a lot of time researching Israeli methods. Much of what you described, along with Huge vertical set ups. Transparent walls that operate like a dry cleaners rack. Blown away.

I can see scaffolding 30-40 ft high in the next few years, being the trend.

I am looking to yeild less, I want strain that takes 4 months to flower, offers only a couple ounces and the thought of a second hit scares you :p
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Trueblooded African and Asian Sativas my friend. I smoked some Congolese awhile back....shit gave me the fears. Like an acid trip. This is very general but ive noticed over the years...younger under 35 ish or so smokers are all about the og type floor yer ass indicas. They love that narcotic stone. Whereas the older veteran heads are all over them long season gangly sativas. The old school pre Afghan ones from the 70's. I got some vintage High Times mags from back then and some of that satty stuff looked like what we would call poop bid now a days....looks that is. Until you smoke that trippy shit. Off like a rocket and can make some paranoid. I miss it myself. Hard to grow it indoors. ..takes forever...and here in Michigan...it never finishes outside. Got to cross it with indys to do it up. Thus diluting that pure Satty psychedelic soaring high.
 
Alienwidow

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since1991 said:
Its all good homie. Iam stoned too. But 2.5 or 3 gpw per thouie is 5 to 6 elbows my good man. No one is pulling that with a 1000 watt hps...mogul socket or the newish double ended lamps on thier own. And a pound per 1000 watt...thats fairly par for the course...even for newer growers. One and a half is pretty decent upper average. Two plus...you got shit on point and doing great. The biggest factors are genetics...environment and the ability to manipulate it precisely...and canopy management. What medium you use (soil..soilless...water based hydroponics) ....the nutrient brands...the plant count...all that is really secondary to the above 3 pillars. And just make it easier to hit target weights. But without proper high yielding (plus quality) genetics...proper environment dialage (this confuses most and happens with time and paying attention to the same strains over and over run after run -having pricey appliances to control envirinment helps bigtime)...and managing that FULL canopy whether you got one plant or 50...you will never hit 2 plus pounds of prime trimmed dried and cured buds per thousand watts of hps lamp in flowering.
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Oh fuck. I did write that wrong. Ooops. Off to the edit button. Sorry for being a dumbass thread derailer. :lol: runs away quietly.....
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Alienwidow said:
Ya i know lol, i just figured since i put lbs after all the numbers that everyone reading would just make the 450g math in their head.....x 2=900g/1000w light. Or x2.5=1125/1000w light. But i do see how the thread title and my comments got confusing. Its like that mind fuck joke...ask ten people quickly what do you put in a toaster and usually theyll say toast. But its bread. Toast comes out. Bread goes in. What were we talking about? I think im too high for this right now. Good talk.
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This stuff is highly relevant to my work these days, love the conversation.

Slab said:
I am all about the slabs lol.
Spent a lot of time researching Israeli methods. Much of what you described, along with Huge vertical set ups. Transparent walls that operate like a dry cleaners rack. Blown away.

I can see scaffolding 30-40 ft high in the next few years, being the trend.

I am looking to yeild less, I want strain that takes 4 months to flower, offers only a couple ounces and the thought of a second hit scares you :p
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Tell me more about Israeli vertical grows and racking systems?
 
since1991

since1991

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ttystikk said:
Except that COB LED is so efficient it makes sense in many applications where HID never could.

But in terms of economies of scale you're absolutely correct.
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If cobs are that efficient (which iam sure they are) i see them replacing hps lamps even in the greenhouses in the future. Better more efficient and productive supplemental lighting....for what? Half or less than cost of running hps? Its got to be the future. Its a money thing....and that determines ultimately everything.
 
since1991

since1991

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ttystikk said:
This stuff is highly relevant to my work these days, love the conversation.



Tell me more about Israeli vertical grows and racking systems?
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Yes...me too. Israeli rack systems? Iam interested just for the latest info. I have seen the robotic ferris wheel type conveyor racks in giant greenhouses for low crops and seedling/cutting production. That shits amazing.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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since1991 said:
If cobs are that efficient (which iam sure they are) i see them replacing hps lamps even in the greenhouses in the future. Better more efficient and productive supplemental lighting....for what? Half or less than cost of running hps? Its got to be the future. Its a money thing....and that determines ultimately everything.
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You save power on the lights, and on the HVAC required for climate control. It's a double win.

In winter, the heat generated is generally beneficial.
 
Slab

Slab

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ttystikk said:
This stuff is highly relevant to my work these days, love the conversation.



Tell me more about Israeli vertical grows and racking systems?
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HaHa! you actually came to mind when I thought of the 3 story vert set up

Picture transparent shower curtains or those things Moms would put her shoes in that hung on the back of the door only 30 ft high. The " rack" they hung on was an loop that would face the sunrise and then track with the Sun
 
since1991

since1991

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ttystikk said:
Can you find some pics? I dig that shit!
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I could but i dunno how to post em. Look up high tech greenhouses on youtube. There is some amazing shit. There is one where this big tomato grower has a zero input operation. They got a machine that recycles some kind of greenhouse gas (????) and turns it into steam to power the whole huge operations generators. A bunch of engineers told the main guy he was nuts and it would never work. He proved them all wrong. Wish i had the link. Its awesome.
 
Slab

Slab

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since1991 said:
Yes...me too. Israeli rack systems? Iam interested just for the latest info. I have seen the robotic ferris wheel type conveyor racks in giant greenhouses for low crops and seedling/cutting production. That shits amazing.
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Rin tin tin da da ( circus music)

That's what I saw, Ferris wheel good descript

Edit: merry go round better
 
since1991

since1991

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Slab said:
HaHa! you actually came to mind when I thought of the 3 story vert set up

Picture transparent shower curtains or those things Moms would put her shoes in that hung on the back of the door only 30 ft high. The " rack" they hung on was an loop that would face the sunrise and then track with the Sun
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Ive seen that dealy on youtube too i think. Big rack conveyor system. Like a long ferris wheel type deal. Awesome.
 
firsttimeARE

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Just getting to 1gpw territory after taking growing more seriously.

I cant imagine 2gpw or more.

Most strains I run are terrible yielders.

I did grow this Darkstar from T.H. Seeds that yielded 8oz per 2x2 screen under a 600w SE HPS.

If i had 4 of those that woulda been 2lbs per 600w SE HPS. About 1.5gpw.
 
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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since1991 said:
I could but i dunno how to post em. Look up high tech greenhouses on youtube. There is some amazing shit. There is one where this big tomato grower has a zero input operation. They got a machine that recycles some kind of greenhouse gas (????) and turns it into steam to power the whole huge operations generators. A bunch of engineers told the main guy he was nuts and it would never work. He proved them all wrong. Wish i had the link. Its awesome.
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That's methane from the biodigestor being burned to produce steam for electrical generation. The CO2 by product would also no doubt be recycled back into the greenhouse for sure!

Great stuff!
 
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