Martin Luther King Day

Harrekin

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Are you kidding me. No you know what your right. Your always right. And I guess I don't understand how you starting it is my fault but your right. SNITCH.
I didn't need to report anything, you showed you had nothing intelligible to say all by yourself.

Some day you might actually address the content of one of my posts and we can have a real debate, I dunno why you made it so personal considering I never attacked you personally once.

And the only reason I even referred to you in a previous post in this thread is because it's kind of ironic having someone who:

1. Openly calls all Muslims "dogs" and "monsters"
2. Justifies the total genocide of the Palestenian people

In a thread about a man who had a dream about all people being equal and only judged by the quality of their character as opposed to what colour skin they're in or religion they follow.
 

fenderburn84

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my brother in law used to teach english at a community college in compton. except for his boss, he loved it.
My older sister taught in philly, she said she was scared to death of going to work. That's what I was going off of. I didn't mean to make a blanket statement.
 

fenderburn84

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I didn't need to report anything, you showed you had nothing intelligible to say all by yourself.

Some day you might actually address the content of one of my posts and we can have a real debate, I dunno why you made it so personal considering I never attacked you personally once.

And the only reason I even referred to you in a previous post in this thread is because it's kind of ironic having someone who:

1. Openly calls all Muslims "dogs" and "monsters"
2. Justifies the total genocide of the Palestenian people

In a thread about a man who had a dream about all people being equal and only judged by the quality of their character as opposed to what colour skin they're in or religion they follow.
Again your right, always right. Never wrong. I get why you back the Palestinians so much but I'm done with this I don't talk to snitches.
 

Harrekin

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Again your right, always right. Never wrong. I get why you back the Palestinians so much but I'm done with this I don't talk to snitches.
Dude you still don't get it, do you?

I don't support the Palestenians because they're Palestenian, I just believe in basic human rights for all people...However it just so turns out the Palestenians are currently being denied theirs...if it was any other country I'd say the same and criticise whomever was causing their problems. I criticise China for its occupation of Tibet, I suppose I'm anti-Chinese too?

Americans were quick enough to comment on human rights abuses in Libya, Syria, Jordon, North Korea, etc but then they ignore Palestine...I might be hitting an American pro-Israel cultural barrier I don't fully understand tho.
 

Dan Kone

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I think each person living in the Western World in the 21st Century has to take responsibility for their own lives and destiny, and not use a race/religion as an excuse not to amount to something.

So what's the solution to the situation? More investment in "ghetto" areas? By whom? Is it impossible for someone living there to get a job they have to commute to? After getting said job could they not potentially move to a different area or get educated at night?

Are these things really impossible due to skin colour? Is joining a gang honestly a more viable option than the above? Noone is "given" opportunities, it's up to the individual to carve out their own destiny...or the Democrats could just keep saying race is keeping minorities from being successful, all the while the serving Democrat President is a black man.

Are you all really so compelled to think within "party lines"?
Fuck. I just wrote a lengthy response to that and when I clicked send my internet took a shit on me and deleted it.

Well to sum it up, you clearly have no clue about the conditions of some areas of our country if you believe they have the same opportunities everyone else has. That is just not true. But thanks for vomiting more faux news talking points all over the forum.
 

Dan Kone

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It is a hairy situation. As a parent I don't know how one could be uninterested in their kids education.
An day in any ghetto explains it perfectly. Education simply isn't a relevant part of most people's lives. Even if they want to get an education, they don't have access to it in schools.
 

Harrekin

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An day in any ghetto explains it perfectly. Education simply isn't a relevant part of most people's lives. Even if they want to get an education, they don't have access to it in schools.
So NOONE living in a ghetto is able to get an education? Or a job? Or put themselves through school in the evenings?
 

fenderburn84

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An day in any ghetto explains it perfectly. Education simply isn't a relevant part of most people's lives. Even if they want to get an education, they don't have access to it in schools.
That really is a shame. I don't understand how our American concept of making sure our children do better than us is lost on the ghettos. I just do not understand it.
 

MISSPHOEBE

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Dan Kone

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So NOONE living in a ghetto is able to get an education? Or a job? Or put themselves through school in the evenings?
seriously dude? Are you Forest Gump's conservative twin brother? I'm obviously talking about statistically averages. No genius, I'm not saying there is not one single job in any poor neighborhood in America.

I just didn't feel like I needed to explain that because I assumed people had enough common sense to comprehend what I was saying. My mistake. I'll speak more slowly next time so you can follow along.
 

Dan Kone

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That really is a shame. I don't understand how our American concept of making sure our children do better than us is lost on the ghettos. I just do not understand it.
Well in all fairness it's not a problem with a simple solution. Of course, if there was political will to solve this problem, it would get solved. I don't know... People have to give a shit first. Most people don't even understand the problem let alone care about it.
 

fenderburn84

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seriously dude? Are you Forest Gump's conservative twin brother? I'm obviously talking about statistically averages. No genius, I'm not saying there is not one single job in any poor neighborhood in America.

I just didn't feel like I needed to explain that because I assumed people had enough common sense to comprehend what I was saying. My mistake. I'll speak more slowly next time so you can follow along.
He's not from here, so he really has no idea.
 

Harrekin

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seriously dude? Are you Forest Gump's conservative twin brother? I'm obviously talking about statistically averages. No genius, I'm not saying there is not one single job in any poor neighborhood in America.

I just didn't feel like I needed to explain that because I assumed people had enough common sense to comprehend what I was saying. My mistake. I'll speak more slowly next time so you can follow along.
Are you resorting to personal attacks already? The cracks are showing in your argument so soon you're making it personal already?!

Ok so since I'm so simple and don't understand please explain; why is it individuals within minorities rise above and conquer the "racial disadvantages" they are supposidly born with, yet others just claim to be "racially disadvantaged" and so there's nothing they can do?
 

Dan Kone

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Are you resorting to personal attacks already? The cracks are showing in your argument so soon you're making it personal already?!
Sorry, but when someone says something retarded, I come out and say it.
Ok so since I'm so simple and don't understand please explain; why is it individuals within minorities rise above and conquer the "racial disadvantages" they are supposidly born with, yet others just claim to be "racially disadvantaged" and so there's nothing they can do?
Some people are exceptional. Not all people are born with equal ability. I couldn't have played first base for the giants if I just tried a little harder. I didn't have the ability. Same goes with education. ok. let's put it like this. Do you believe that a white person of average ability growing up in an upper middle class neighborhood sent to private schools has the same chance of success as a black person of average ability who grows up in a ghetto housing project with no dad, a drug addicted mother, a school that teaches 3 years behind grade level, and almost no legitimate income opportunities?


You seem to be really in touch with fox news talking points and extremely out of touch with the human race. They do have humans where you come from right? You do understand that they aren't all identical at birth right?
 

UncleBuck

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Well in all fairness it's not a problem with a simple solution. Of course, if there was political will to solve this problem, it would get solved. I don't know... People have to give a shit first. Most people don't even understand the problem let alone care about it.
you nailed it in your earlier posts. it is a socioeconomic problem which has been directly caused by hundreds of years of injustices, some of which still continue to a much much slighter extent.

the poverty cycle is hard to break; if you are born to poor parents in a place with little emphasis or access to education or economic opportunities (and even grocery stores for that matter if you really want to get into it), you are less likely to end up as well off or better than the person randomly born into better circumstances.

as you pointed out, this has nothing to do with skin color per se, as this same phenomenon happens in every race. clearly, it is not about race as much as it is about socioeconomic factors.

...I'm so simple and don't understand please explain; why is it individuals within minorities rise above and conquer the "racial disadvantages" they are supposidly born with, yet others just claim to be "racially disadvantaged" and so there's nothing they can do?
because of reality.

it is not your fault or mine that hundreds of years of injustices result in maps that look like this:



but that is the reality of our history's legacy, and we have to deal with it. we can deal with in several ways.

we could belittle the hardships faced by those born into lower socioeconomic status than ourselves, which you (and others) seem to like to do. or we could deal with the concrete reality of the situation, and say "fuck, how do we fix this", as other people do. or other options, like not even giving a fuck and whatnot.

by the way, the blue dots represent black populations and he red dots represent white populations. it is map of detroit, michigan.
 

Dan Kone

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as you pointed out, this has nothing to do with skin color per se, as this same phenomenon happens in every race. clearly, it is not about race as much as it is about socioeconomic factors.
If the roles were reversed, and hundreds of years ago black people imported millions of white slaves and colonized America, right now we'd likely be hearing black republicans talking about lazy white welfare queens.

Racism was just the tool used to achieve an economic end. The Romans did the same thing with the Gauls (french). They thought of them as lazy, ignorant, and inferior. The Persians did the same with Indians. The Egyptians did the same with arabs.

It's greed pure and simple. Wealthy elites sell the idea of racial inferiority to the ignorant masses who are afraid of anything different than them. But racism is about money and it always has been. It was about money when they needed slave labor to pick crops, and ghettos packed full of black people are still about money now.

The reason the problem doesn't get solved is also money. To fix the problem you'd have to increase funding to schools and economic infrastructure in black neighborhoods. Upper middle class and wealthy people would see that as depriving them of funding that could go into rich neighborhoods. So the cycle of racism continues.
 

UncleBuck

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If the roles were reversed, and hundreds of years ago black people imported millions of white slaves and colonized America, right now we'd likely be hearing black republicans talking about lazy white welfare queens.

Racism was just the tool used to achieve an economic end. The Romans did the same thing with the Gauls (french). They thought of them as lazy, ignorant, and inferior. The Persians did the same with Indians. The Egyptians did the same with arabs.

It's greed pure and simple. Wealthy elites sell the idea of racial inferiority to the ignorant masses who are afraid of anything different than them. But racism is about money and it always has been. It was about money when they needed slave labor to pick crops, and ghettos packed full of black people are still about money now.

The reason the problem doesn't get solved is also money. To fix the problem you'd have to increase funding to schools and economic infrastructure in black neighborhoods. Upper middle class and wealthy people would see that as depriving them of funding that could go into rich neighborhoods. So the cycle of racism continues.
funny how when you look at it from a historical perspective, it all seems to make sense.
 

Harrekin

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I'm sorry, not being from the US I didn't realise Apartheid was currently officially in operation there.

Keep making excuses like the "bad, greedy, white man" is keeping people from achieving individual success...we should all be ashamed from being born with less melanin.

Its really strange so many rich successful black people tell their "ghetto peers" to break the chains and become successful. Some have included it in their songs. Guess they're "racist conservatives" too?
 
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