‘Merrick Garland shivering under his desk’: Former officials slam DOJ for lack of action on ‘criminal’ Trump
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Fogdog
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Just slightly less than half of the people in this country don't see what happened on Jan 6 as a reason to reject the Republican leaders who were behind it. I don't know if anything Democrats say can get through to them. We are almost at a stalemate among voters. Republicans are trying to break that stalemate by forcing their way into power. Democrats can talk policy and legislation until they are blue in the face and they won't win a single vote from entrenched Republicans or the "Independents" who always vote Republican. Do you remember how Al Gore, Kerry, Obama, or Hillary Clinton would talk and talk and everybody in the room would eventually roll their eyes then find a way sneak out? Democrats already talk too much. But there is another way.
Almost half of the people in this country don't vote. A lot of them are just like the voting kind of Republican. But a lot of people don't vote because of barriers or because they don't feel like their vote matters. Democrats need to find ways to get them to the polls. Democrats are favored to win whenever the turnout is large.
I think the infrastructure and economic recovery plans enacted this year show the strategy that Democrats are following. There are risks but if Democrats manage to carry out their plans, this economy is going to be rocking next year. Biden and his Democratic Party took control away from Republicans because they promised to do a better job at managing government's responses to the epidemic and to improve the economic condition of most people in this country. I think they are doing that. I think most people would agree that Bread and Butter politics are better than Guns and Death.
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HGCC
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I am curious what they can do to get those people to the polls. I do agree that just going for the economy and healthcare seems like the best bet, but what issues would actually drive voter turnout?
Guess it's time to head down the rabbit hole of non-voter demographics. I believe trump brought in a decent amount of first time voters, they liked the naked racism or whatever, don't think that's a well the Democrats can draw from.
What if the non-voters skewed heavily trump style republican? I don't think it's a good idea to assume the non voting population would have similar views to the voting one. Bunch of people not terribly interested or involved with what's happening in politics do not seem like the types that would be into what's being sold by team blue, as said policy heavy stuff is boring. Those are catchphrase voters.
Edit: kinda goes along with that second paragraph from the post above.
Guess it's time to head down the rabbit hole of non-voter demographics. I believe trump brought in a decent amount of first time voters, they liked the naked racism or whatever, don't think that's a well the Democrats can draw from.
What if the non-voters skewed heavily trump style republican? I don't think it's a good idea to assume the non voting population would have similar views to the voting one. Bunch of people not terribly interested or involved with what's happening in politics do not seem like the types that would be into what's being sold by team blue, as said policy heavy stuff is boring. Those are catchphrase voters.
Edit: kinda goes along with that second paragraph from the post above.
Fogdog
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Regarding the risk that non-voters will skew heavily to Republicans. I don't think that is true. If it is, then so be it. I'm for majority rule.
Regarding how to win elections through grass roots organizing, Democrats in Georgia showed us how it can be done.
How Democrats Found Thousands Of New Voters And Flipped Georgia's Senate Seats
Roughly 225,000 people who voted in January runoff elections didn't vote in November. A disproportionate number of them were people of color, a sign of where Democrats' political future lies.
www.npr.org
A blue state?
The strategy of Georgia Democrats has been grounded in the thesis that Georgia is a blue state; its voter rolls just didn't properly reflect the population.
It's one that Tharon Johnson, Democratic strategist and former senior adviser to the Biden-Harris campaign, has subscribed to: "If everyone who lived in the state and were registered at that time and now, and they all voted, I believed that Democrats will be victorious. What we've been working very hard on for the last few years is making sure that we expand that electorate."
Stacey Abrams, a former Democratic gubernatorial candidate, has become something of a national spokeswoman for the strategy.
Johnson said executing it has been a "collaborative" effort between different groups over the years, including the New Georgia Project, which was founded by Abrams in 2014, and later, Abrams' own campaign.
The New Georgia Project's stated goal has been to register and engage low-propensity young voters and voters of color, and it worked furiously during the runoffs as well.
"If you want to win, these are the folks that you need to talk to," said Nse Ufot, chief executive of the New Georgia Project. "These are the folks you need to inspire. And these are the folks who need to be a part of developing a governing agenda."
The same strategy might not work everywhere and maybe there are better ideas people can follow. I'm not imaginative enough to say what that would be. I'm saying that Democrats need to do what Republicans do not do, and not do what Republicans do. Let them go off and tout trite bullshit slogans. Like child-Trump who touts their accomplishments but is really just a slacker. He has some admirers. Though it's not a long term winning strategy. He lost in 2020.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i vote, and i urge my friends to vote...not sure what else to do around here, there aren't just a whole lot of rallies in my area that don't have White or Klan in the name, and i try to avoid those...
the lincoln project seems to be able to come up with a new commercial every week or so, the democrats could hire them to do some slightly more conservative commercials and push them out into the media through any channels available.
i see a lot of empty billboards around, those could be hired and put to use counteracting misinformation, putting facts out there for people to see on a daily basis, till it's as ground in as the republican's bullshit
Fogdog
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I'm not aware that you are politically active. If you are, then you are already doing enough. If you aren't and want to do more then reach out to groups with whom you share their values.
I'm pointing out that there is more that can be done than aping Republican messaging. It works for them but I don't think Democrats either think like Republicans nor do they respond to stupid slogans that Republicans fawn over.
Roger A. Shrubber
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you can't just look at what the republicans do, you have to look at what the great unwashed respond to...while it's noble to say you'd rather not have voters if you have to pander to them, that doesn't win elections...that loses you your majority and then you're scrabbling for at least 2 more and probably 4 more years, and then you have to spend at least the first two unfucking what the republicans fucked up
Fogdog
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Haven't you said before that the people around you who support Trump aren't listening to others? He has that audience sewn up. They might some day come around to the idea that he was a fraud but today, if you say he is a fraud to his supporters, you'll get shot at. Figuratively, if not literally.
So, rather than try to teach pigs to sing, look for alternatives.
Stacey Abrams found one in Georgia. PA Democrats are focusing on local issues and promoting core Democratic Party policies that people care about. There are alternatives. Also, a whole lot is being done at the executive level to challenge the radical gerrymandering and voter suppression laws that the regal right are trying to use to take power. So, I don't really go for the idea of dumbing down Democratic political speech.
Roger A. Shrubber
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https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/584905-biden-is-delivering-the-fastest-economic-recovery-in-history-why-hasnt
they have to PUSH this story in people's faces daily, on every available platform...get the truth out there, don't assume the morons you need to reach will read a story like this unless it's kept in their faces continually...every time the pugs run a story about how Biden is tanking the economy, print this story right under it....put it on billboards in red areas...put it on fucking stickers on gas pumps, they seem to look at shit like that
they have to PUSH this story in people's faces daily, on every available platform...get the truth out there, don't assume the morons you need to reach will read a story like this unless it's kept in their faces continually...every time the pugs run a story about how Biden is tanking the economy, print this story right under it....put it on billboards in red areas...put it on fucking stickers on gas pumps, they seem to look at shit like that
DIY-HP-LED
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Fortunately there's plenty of time before the election for the word to not just get out, but people will be feeling the effects, getting the jobs and checks. I expect the 1/6 investigation and Trump's trails will take up much of the media oxygen, governments seldom get credit for recoveries. Here in Canada the recent jobs report was 4X better than expected and there is a general shortage of labor. However on both sides of the border inflation and people in the supply chain making fortunes with highway robbery are a real issue, we can see who's making the money and driving it and there is no real reason for most of it, other than greed. Service industry wages are going up because of employee shortages, supply and demand, but middlemen are raking in fortunes at everybody else's expense.
Roger A. Shrubber
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then that's who we need to go after next...a few messy public hearings, a few outrageously high fines, and the rest will walk a little lighter...i don't expect them to quit being parasites, a thing is what it is, afterall, but they don't all need to be trying to gorge for mating season at the same time...
Fogdog
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Show trials that end with not guilty verdicts would be gifts to Trump.
Roger A. Shrubber
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this is true, as impatient as i am, i'd rather wait till they have someone sewed up in a carpet than to let them get away on a technicality...but is seems like all a few of them are waiting for is someone to stitch things up...
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Fogdog
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A few former prosecutors/now bloggers are losing patience too. It makes one wonder how determined Garland's DOJ and Biden are to press the issue. Deliberate speed is needed. Trump and his coup co-conspirators will be back if justice isn't handed out.
CunningCanuk
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If trump and the rest of these fuckers get away with this, it’s going to be hard to take you guys down there seriously in the future.
DIY-HP-LED
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Here's how bombshell Jan. 6 texts put 'a ton of pressure on Merrick Garland'
The revelation of text messages from lawmakers and Fox News hosts begging for Donald Trump to call off his rioting supporters puts new pressure on attorney general Merrick Garland.Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) read the panicked messages from Jan. 6 before the House select committee voted 9-0 to...
www.rawstory.com
GoatSoup
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Congress is supposed to vote on holding Meadows for contempt of Congress today. If that does not get Garland moving with the handcuffs and inditements, I'll dispair that he has our best interests at heart.
Some say that they want the trials to be held just before the 2022 elections, but that much delay will just blunt the impact. What the fuck is this shit about not trying Bannon until July? Why can we not see Justice Done in February?
I think we need to push the Judiciary to put on a second shift.
Some say that they want the trials to be held just before the 2022 elections, but that much delay will just blunt the impact. What the fuck is this shit about not trying Bannon until July? Why can we not see Justice Done in February?
I think we need to push the Judiciary to put on a second shift.
CatHedral
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To misquote Danny de Vito:
He doesn’t need logic! He has a gun!
A similar sort of brutal humor was institutionalized by the Sun King when he had “Ultima ratio regum” cast in relief on the barrels of his cannon.
The final argument of kings.
CatHedral
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Ultima ratio tardorum