Mexican brick bagseed: Growing out the schwagg.

I've read this whole thread man and I kno what you mean I went to a Mexican hiot dog spot and ordered a large fry and at the bottom was a seed so I grew it out and she is currently still in vegative stage when she goes into flower she gonna strech hard I'm hoping mine comes out good like yours fid. I had name mine the fry lol

MidniteToKKer said:

I've read this whole thread man and I kno what you mean I went to a Mexican hiot dog spot and ordered a large fry and at the bottom was a seed so I grew it out and she is currently still in vegative stage when she goes into flower she gonna strech hard I'm hoping mine comes out good like yours fid. I had name mine the fry lol

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I suggest topping the plant, and then training to grow horizontally. There are different ways to make it go sideways. . .being, tying down, SCROG/trellis, etc. But trust me, that's the way to go with these, because not only will you potentially run into height issues if you don't, but you'll be wasting a lot of potential yield if you can't create multiple flowering tops.

Awesome thread! Don't know how I missed it! I was wondering the exact same thing about Mexican brick weed. Can't wait to see the smoke report. I remember mexican brick weed 10 years ago as being a trippy high. I have not smoked some brick in 6 years, I always pass it up.

Jogro said:

Good question.

After 11-12 weeks of flowering, this plant had most of the signs of being done: swollen calyxes, pistils mostly brown/orange, high resin output, cloudy trichromes, strong aroma, etc. But for two things:

The trichromes never turned amber, and the buds never really stopped growing. . .new buds just kept forming on top of the plant.

I figured this is probably one of those sativas that never really ends flowering, so I just chopped it.

Also, even though I'm pretty sure I llcked it, since I had a problem earlier with bud-rot, I didn't want to push my luck.

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My favorite killing fields pheno was the same way. I understand though, that you can lower the intensity of light and shorten the day and it helps finish up some of these sativas that never seem to finish. I was going to give it a try next time I run into a plant like that. It fits because my KF was under very intense light.

OGEvilgenius said:

My favorite killing fields pheno was the same way. I understand though, that you can lower the intensity of light and shorten the day and it helps finish up some of these sativas that never seem to finish. I was going to give it a try next time I run into a plant like that. It fits because my KF was under very intense light.

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You raise a really good point.

In this case, I had no ability to reduce the light intensity.

Again, except for no amber trichromes, and new bud formation (which probably would have gone on forever if I had let it), the plant did otherwise look done. So I decided it was done.

I did actually end up cutting back the light hours first to 11-13 then to 10-14 for the OTHER interminable plant that was growing at the same time, and it did help, but that's another story for another day (or report).

Anyway, smoke report coming very soon here. . .

Nice work. I was just gifted a 1/8 of some not brick but hard as shit buds with big seeds in it. Def a sativa high and was grown outside. Not sure if from mexico but I can find out If I need to. Never grew out bag seeds but doesn't sound like a bad idea.
Really its all hit or miss. Ive had top quality genetics not grow out worth a damn so why not. Thanks for the info.

I hears from a few growers that brick weed is usually fire that has seeds and is compressed.

can we see a pic of the mexi sativa

theexpress said:

can we see a pic of the mexi sativa

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Sure, just scroll back to page 1 of this thread: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/584136-mexican-brick-bagseed-growing-out.html#post8268959

I have at least one pic up of the plant in full flower and multiple closeups of the buds.

I didn't really start this grow with the idea of doing a journal, that's why I have limited shots here, but I figured a lot of people would appreciate it, so I took just enough to give a "taste".

ment a dry pic..

OK, we're into the final stretch.

Buds have been manicured, dried for 4-5 days, then jar-cured for 5 weeks.

Unlike some of the super "dank" strains, these have a relatively mild scent in the jar. I'm not the best at describing smells, but its a bit minty, with a distinct lemon/citrus undertone. Very nice.

Second pic here was shot with a flash to give a true sense of color:


Here are a few random buds under morning light.


I usually try to leave a few buds nice and big. . mostly cause I can!


Bit of a closeup here.

Of course we need closeups, right? Party on, Garth:

Getting ready. . .


Ready. . .


And. . .

Smoke report:

I don't believe in four page reports, IMO those are mostly a bunch of pretentious crap. I don't want to hear descriptions of seven different flavors in language bastardized from wine catalogs. I don't want to hear descriptions of which body parts tingle and in what order when you smoke the bud.

IMO, all you really want to know is the following: How does the bud smell/taste, how does it smoke, how potent is it, what kind of medical effect does it give, and is there anything else worth mentioning about it.

Smell: The bud is quite nice smelling, giving off a distinct mint and citrus smell when the buds are broken. It definitely smells like weed, but this is not one of those "dank" strains that you can smell from ten feet away as soon as you open the jar. There is no "fuel" "skunk" or "pee" component whatever. Taste is mild, and like smell. Taste and smell are distinctly better than bricked weed.

Smoke: REALLY smooth. . .I'm actually pleasantly surprised. No "lung expanding", no coughing, no harshness whatsoever. I think here is where there is the biggest difference from the bricked stuff it came out of. I'm sure the fact that I cured it for a full month and a half probably didn't hurt here. Grow being "mostly" organic probably didn't hurt either.

Potency: I'd say its a good medium, maybe a 6/10, or sort of guesstimating, maybe 10-14% THC. I've had both "stronger" and "a lot stronger" so this is clearly just not in the same ballpark as the strongest medical stuff. On the other hand, its isn't "weak", and its probably as good as some of the mid-grade stuff you'd find at a big dispensary. One joint was the perfect dose; I didn't want more.

Medical effect: Mostly head/cerebral. There is a bit of stone/relaxation in there, but this was more energetic than lethargic. Not "couchlock" by any stretch. I'd call this more "recreational" than "medical".

Bottom line: As expected, this was a significant step up in quality from the bricked schwagg the ceed same out of. The taste, smell, smoke quality, and potency were all significantly improved to the point where you'd have a hard time recognizing the two as the same thing.

How does it stand on its own right? Well, I'd say its "good" to "very good" (I know that's damning with faint praise, but there it is).

"Platinum OG Kush" this is not, and if you're accustomed to always smoking strong medical stuff, this will be disappointing. If you want that "mouth full of lemons" taste, again, not really. On the other hand, if you like to savor your smokes, and like a more controlled dosing, you could definitely do worse. If you like the EFFECT of the Mexican, or have any personal nostalgia towards schwagg, you'll probably love this.

Overall taste and potency probably are better than some of the lower end commercial strains, and in terms of grow characteristics, the plant itself was tolerant to heat, dryness, and had good yield and flower characteristics. So while you definitely can do better in terms of flavor and potency, as a general package, I'd still give this a thumb's up, rather than a thumb's down. I definitely don't feel like growing this was a waste of my time, or regret doing so.

And that's all I got. . .comments welcome.

Is this what I have? Anyone?

http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/strains-yesteryear

Michoacan Brown Spears

From the high valleys of Michoacan, this strain was very similar in shape and texture to the Guerrero, but dark brown, and with a more peppery, spicy, woody aroma. $40 to $60 bought a seeded ounce in 1975. Although it was somewhat more bland tasting than the Guerrero , this semi-commercial pot was by far better than the commercial Mexican that was all too available. It had a more distinct, spicy flavor than the regular Mexican, as well as a brighter high that was not as susceptible to tolerance or burnout.

The plants from the Michoacan Spears were nothing great. They were thick and bushy and matured earlier than the Colombians. Some were ready in late October, but most were ready in early November. The seeds were medium grey and plentiful. Like the Guerrero, they produced some unique spicy flavors when grown outdoors in the Pacific Northwest.

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ameti91 said:

I hears from a few growers that brick weed is usually fire that has seeds and is compressed.

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Yes sir, well i'm right by the border so i get it pre-bricked and not fully dry (they leave a little moisture in to compensate for the length of time it will take it to reach its destination).

For any non-Americans who may be reading this thread, as a bit of background, despite what you may have heard, cannabis is still illegal everywhere in the USA by Federal law, and in most states by State law.

While medical use is legal to some extent in over a dozen states, recreational use is currently only legal in 2 of 50 states.

So in the vast majority of the country, cannabis is still only available on the black market, and the country is large enough that there are many places where there is no locally grown supply. To meet the demand, huge amounts of marijuana are still grown outdoors in large fields in Mexico, then pressed into bricks and smuggled in over the Southern US border by the famous Mexican drug cartels. In fact, its been estimated that even to this day roughly 40% of the marijuana consumed in the USA is smuggled in from Mexico. There are still places in the country where smuggled Mexican grown weed makes up the majority of what people are smoking. Even if most smokers don't prefer the Mexican, a lot of people are still smoking it and most long term American smokers are at least familiar with it.

Most of this bricked weed contains some number of seeds, is of low potency, harsh smoking, and not particularly good tasting. Many people use the negative term "schwagg" or "dirtweed" to refer to this stuff.

Because ceeds from the Mexican are cheap and readily available in many places, its natural, I think, for people to be curious about growing them. The usual story you hear is that because the Mexican brick weed isn't good, the ceeds aren't worth growing. I hope this report helps shed a little light on that.

From having sampled my share of bricked weed back in the day, and from having grown the ceeds multiple times, it has simply not been my experience that these plants are top-level "fire" compressed into brick form.

The genetics are definitely good, better than most give them credit for, and even better than some commercial strains, just not "exceptional". Again, if you "like" smoking the brick stuff, you'll LOVE the result of growing it yourself and you won't be disappointed. If you're more accustomed to hash-like 20%+THC medical strains, its unlikely you're going to find a "sleeper" ceed in a bag of brick that will create flowers that will make you happy.

This is a great thread. Especially since I have a couple of "mystery beans" growing myself to use as practice! I don't know what kind of strain I have, but she has been sloooowwww growing height wise and the fan leaves are HUGE, blocking out light on the bottom branches.

I like pleasant surprises, so here's to hoping I get one

where did all your pictures go!?! sounds like an awesome thread but i don't see anything...

rollNfattys420 said:

where did all your pictures go!?! sounds like an awesome thread but i don't see anything...

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Apparently there is a bit of a glitch right now with some people's photos. I understand it is being worked on.