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babygro

babygro

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mogie said:
Why did they delete Baby Gro Sucks' thread? Skunk did that? Skunk isn't that a conflict of interest considering you are a friend of Baby's? At least that seems like you were sticking up for a friend. Please explain Skunk.
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I sent my complaint directly to Rollitup, why don't you take it up with him Mogie?
 
kieahtoka

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babygro said:
Very few plants will show sex at 4 weeks vegetative growth, pre-flowers will form but are rarely differentiated.

On here we deal with 'likely' scenarios, not exceptions.

For the vast majority on here, they will never see pre-flowers at 4 weeks vegetative growth - and that's what matters to the majority. Not the minority.

It's pointless telling a newbie grower to watch for preflowers at 4 weeks Veg because 9 9times out of 100 they won't show.

It's as simple as that really, and I shall check on your grow log for the dates of your plants too.
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I'm sorry but that's BS. Preflowers show up at different times for different strains. It all depends on what strain the grower is using. A nice compromise in the growfaq would be to put the timeline anywhere from 4-8 weeks. And if I can quote you again, you said. "it simple wrong!" Don't EVER post an absolute answer dealing with every strain of marijuana. The 4 week rule was put on there BECAUSE of plants like mine that show at 4 weeks.
 
babygro

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kieahtoka said:
this wouldn't be a good idea since molasses only helps when used in soil by adding carbs and helping beneficial microbes in the soil. The only purpose it might add as a foliar spray would be to gunk up your plants. It might add some nutrients but truthfully you'd be better off using something that was designed to be used as a foliar spray.
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Wrong again asshole - you're just not learning are you? How many times do I have to tell you the same thing - if you don't know the answer - don't answer, is that simple enough for you?

If you actually did what you keep saying you do - learn from others here instead of continually trying to bad mouth and disprespect me and bothered reading that Molasses cut and paste I made recently you'd have seen this paragraph in it -

"Blackstrap molasses could also be used in a similar fashion, as a stand alone liquid fertilizer for the biological farmer
who needs to avoid potential varmint problems caused by animal based products. But, we really believe there is a better
overall use for molasses in the organic farmer’s arsenal of fertilizers. Our suggestion for the best available use, would be
to make use of the various molasses products as a part making organic teas for watering and foliar feeding."

It's clearly too much to expect someone with half a brain cell to actually read something and learn from it, it's much more fun to disrespect and badmouth the person who posted the information in the first place isn't it?

Molasses contains many micro-nutrients, vitamins and trace elements in a chelated form that the plant can absorb through its leaves via a foliar spray as part of an 'organic tea'.

Stop giving people bad advice.
 
kieahtoka

kieahtoka

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babygro said:
Wrong again asshole - you're just not learning are you? How many times do I have to tell you the same thing - if you don't know the answer - don't answer, is that simple enough for you?

If you actually did what you keep saying you do - learn from others here instead of continually trying to bad mouth and disprespect me and bothered reading that Molasses cut and paste I made recently you'd have seen this paragraph in it -

"Blackstrap molasses could also be used in a similar fashion, as a stand alone liquid fertilizer for the biological farmer
who needs to avoid potential varmint problems caused by animal based products. But, we really believe there is a better
overall use for molasses in the organic farmer’s arsenal of fertilizers. Our suggestion for the best available use, would be
to make use of the various molasses products as a part making organic teas for watering and foliar feeding."

It's clearly too much to expect someone with half a brain cell to actually read something and learn from it, it's much more fun to disrespect and badmouth the person who posted the information in the first place isn't it?

Molasses contains many micro-nutrients, vitamins and trace elements in a chelated form that the plant can absorb through its leaves via a foliar spray as part of an 'organic tea'.

Stop giving people bad advice.
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If you'd read I did make an exception saying that it might contain some nutrients which can be absorbed, but a grower would be better off using something MEANT FOR a foliar feed. Which would have many more nutrients which the plant can uptake via foliar feeding. I also didn't want to see him end up with gunked up plants when the molasses dried. You can't say I was wrong because technically I did say that it could be done.
 
babygro

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kieahtoka said:
I'm sorry but that's BS.
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It's not bullshit at all. Preflowers form early in the veg cycle, but they don't differentiate until the plant reaches sexual maturity and that DOES NOT HAPPEN at 4 weeks vegetative growth.

It's perfectly true that different strains will show and differentiate preflowers at different time frames, and the growing environment also has an impact on the speed the plant gains sexual maturity.

However, as I said previously, preflower differentiation usually happens at plant maturity and this is anything between 6-8 weeks vegeative growth. If they show before this then it's unusual or a particularly vigourous grower.

Many strains won't show sex until the end of the first or second week of flowering.

I'm talking about the 'norm' here not the exception.

I'll spell it out for you because you appear to be having comprehnsion problems - it's not usual for preflowers to differentiate at 4 weeks vegetative growth.
 
kieahtoka

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it's not usual for preflowers to differentiate at 4 weeks vegetative growth.
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I'm sorry but in a previous post did you not say..

Very few plants will show sex at 4 weeks vegetative growth, pre-flowers will form but are rarely differentiated.
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and here...

You still haven't seem to have got it into your head that pre-flowers are not differentiated at 4 weeks vegetative growth AND I DONT CARE WHAT THE GROWFAQ SAYS!!! It's simply wrong.
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This is what I mean when you are constantly contradicting yourself. Stick with one opinion and argue it. Don't go back and forth, it only makes you look entirely stupid.
 
babygro

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kieahtoka said:
If you'd read I did make an exception saying that it might contain some nutrients which can be absorbed, but a grower would be better off using something MEANT FOR a foliar feed. Which would have many more nutrients which the plant can uptake via foliar feeding. I also didn't want to see him end up with gunked up plants when the molasses dried. You can't say I was wrong because technically I did say that it could be done.
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Yeah you covered your bases because you wern't really sure - smart thinking, but that doesn't mean you knew what you were talking about. Neither does it give the person you're responding to the right answer either.

The answer was, yes you can use Molasses as a foliar feed when used as part of an organic tea, not I wouldn't advise it because I'm not sure and in any case there's better far more expensivs shop bought alternatives you can pay a lot more for to do the same thing.
 
kieahtoka

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babygro said:
I've taken a lot of shit on this site in the last couple of days, now I'm dishing some back - hope you enjoy getting it back as much as you did in dishing it out.
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I had to reply to this one too. You've taken a lot of shit? Ever since I got here I've noticed you being an asshole to everyone who contradicts you. whether they are right or not. You've had to take a lot of shit lately because you've been dealing it out for god knows how long, and people are fucking tired of it!
 
kieahtoka

kieahtoka

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babygro said:
Yeah you covered your bases because you wern't really sure - smart thinking, but that doesn't mean you knew what you were talking about. Neither does it give the person you're responding to the right answer either.

The answer was, yes you can use Molasses as a foliar feed when used as part of an organic tea, not I wouldn't advise it because I'm not sure and in any case there's better far more expensivs shop bought alternatives you can pay a lot more for to do the same thing.
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I'll concede to you on this babygro. I will admit I do not know alot about molasses besides that it does add carbs, and some beneficial nutrients. while at the same time promoting healthy microbial development. I also know that there are many very cheap alternatives to molasses that work far better and are specifically designed to be absorbed through the leaves. Molasses is good when You either do not have the money or cannot get an alternative, but I would prefer paying the extra 2$ to be assured that my plant is getting all that it can out of what I have just provided it.
 
kieahtoka

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I also have to say this, since you will blatently point it out. My preflowers did form and differentiate at 4.5 weeks. I got the picture at week 5. Don't go saying that you were right because my flowers formed at 5 weeks instead of 4.
 
babygro

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kieahtoka said:
I also have to say this, since you will blatently point it out. My preflowers did form and differentiate at 4.5 weeks. I got the picture at week 5. Don't go saying that you were right because my flowers formed at 5 weeks instead of 4.
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I'm going to check on exactly what point your flower started it's preflowers.
 
babygro

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kieahtoka said:
I'll concede to you on this babygro. I will admit I do not know alot about molasses besides that it does add carbs, and some beneficial nutrients. while at the same time promoting healthy microbial development. I also know that there are many very cheap alternatives to molasses that work far better and are specifically designed to be absorbed through the leaves. Molasses is good when You either do not have the money or cannot get an alternative, but I would prefer paying the extra 2$ to be assured that my plant is getting all that it can out of what I have just provided it.
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And what are these cheaper alternatives?
 
babygro

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kieahtoka said:
I had to reply to this one too. You've taken a lot of shit? Ever since I got here I've noticed you being an asshole to everyone who contradicts you. whether they are right or not. You've had to take a lot of shit lately because you've been dealing it out for god knows how long, and people are fucking tired of it!
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And I'm tired of the bashing I'm getting from assholes.

So, time to dish some back - you want to take me on Kieahtoka? Good for you, good luck, you've seen nothing yet, you've not even seen my get angry yet.
 
kieahtoka

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babygro said:
And what are these cheaper alternatives?
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Ones currently found at my nursery, called ferti-lome. it costs me 5$. A 12 oz jar of molasses costs me 3. Now there are approximately 24 feedings using one tablespoon per gallon in one of those jars. Meaning 48 feedings for 6$. My ferti-lome has a quart of plant food, using a quarter teaspoon per quart of water. So if I used a teaspoion per gallon I would get 192 feedings out of my plant food. Which, in turn gets better absorbed through the plants foliar surfaces. So a fertilizer in fact is even more economical when used as a foliar feed.
 
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how can information about growing a weed be outdated? its all the same. there may be new and different ways to do things but not outdated. isnt this site here to share, talk about, and learn from others the tricks to growing pot? as ive said before. who gives a damn who cut and pasted what. just be sure to give credit where its due.. people get things wrong sometimes and sometimes they pass on bad information because its what they read and just wanted to pass it on.. i dont know your ages but you're acting like children.. i find your little fight over the net and at a stoner site of all places amusing but at the same time its quite pathetic.. be an adult and move on. it just may make you a better person.
 
kieahtoka

kieahtoka

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babygro said:
And I'm tired of the bashing I'm getting from assholes.

So, time to dish some back - you want to take me on Kieahtoka? Good for you, good luck, you've seen nothing yet, you've not even seen my get angry yet.
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It's a never ending circle. people just want you to get your point across WITHOUT the bashing. If you did that everyone would be happier. Please for all our sakes, try it?
 
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