My highest reccomendation for this inexpensive unit,ZERO SMELL & cheap.

valuablevariable

valuablevariable

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How much is too much as far as unhealthy for humans? I basically have a one room appartment (student) and a small grow in this room that i spend my day in. Is it bad to ever have it on while in the same room? Mostly i would just need to get rid of the odor when friends or family is coming over and the rest of the time it wouldnt have to ever be turned on.
 
panhead

panhead

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valuablevariable said:
How much is too much as far as unhealthy for humans? I basically have a one room appartment (student) and a small grow in this room that i spend my day in. Is it bad to ever have it on while in the same room? Mostly i would just need to get rid of the odor when friends or family is coming over and the rest of the time it wouldnt have to ever be turned on.
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Good question & one that i cant answer,if it were me i'd look for info from OSHA pertaining to ozone,if used wrong you WILL GET SICK.
 
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bba

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I recently aquired on of these units, have used it for short periods,

have not used it to kill the smells of my growroom because i was worried about damaging my plants and my family.

reading this post really got me excited, i cannot wait to put it in action in my attic of my new place.

thanks for the review, it was more than helpful, as i was about to drop 600 bux on a can filter setup, but now i think i may just see how well this works by it self.

Thanks

+1 rep for j00

~BBA
 
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DR. VonDankenstine

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I have the same unit under a different name----AIR TIGER---picked it up 10 years ago---still works like a charm and potent as hell---I set it up in my exhaust line which runs to a carbon filter in a large closet that is sealed----I have a dwell time of 6mins before the second small fan--160cfm pulls the treated air into the attic---I don't remember all the tech but I know that it comes out as ozone but the dwell time allows it to change to o2 and something else----maybe someone can elaborate?.
 
sleeper05

sleeper05

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I work at a Plumbing and Heating shop. We are using UV bulbs for water sterilization and even putting them into the plenums ontop of furnaces now. I have no idea if they can control the smells in the air... something I'll have to ask about tomorrow. If they do I'm sure they are only $70 or atleast under $100. Was thinking of taking some 4" ABS pipe and cutting it to a length suitable for the bulb and fixing it inside after i've made the interior reflective. Then hooking this inbetween the 4" flex pipe I am running for my exhaust. If I get around to it I'll let you know how it works.
 
thelastpirate

thelastpirate

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panhead said:
What i meant by a timer not being able to control the generator output was not that it does not work,but that putting it on a timer "within the grow area" wont be able to stop plant damage, or to regelate the ozone to a point where it does not change the air quality in the room ,plants that are in an ozone rich grow room will end up looking like they have a severe nute burn from too much ozone,humans will get a sore throat from too much ozone.

In a situation where your dumping dirty air to an unused portion of the home like your attic regulation is not needed,you could let it run 24/7 with no negative effects,ozone breaks down very quickly & turns back into oxygen,in an insulated attic it would be next to impossible for ozone levels to reach a level that is bad for humans in the rest of the home,especially if the attic is vented through the roof with roof vents,ridge vent or sofit vents,these generators output levels are low enough where as long as they are used in an unused area they will not create a hazzard to plants,animals or people.

You could & should leave a generator running full time in your attic with no ill effects to you or your family,just install the generator near the exhaust outlet in the attic,turn it on & forget about it.

As for ozone poisioning, the levels needed to reach toxicity are extreme & cant be reached by these generators unless its used in a very small sealed room along with long term exposure to extreme levels.

Your safe with this generator running full time in your attic.
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It only takes about .1ppm to begin to be toxic. I'm not saying it isn't a good thing, just that it aint really a good Idea in the house, without really venting it as well. Aside from the toxicity factor, it's flammable as hell.

O3 is a WHOLE lot better an oxidixer, and more flammable, than is O2. AND a lot less stable. Even tho it degrades into O2 in about 30 min, you can get "spontaneous combustion" at concentrations of less than 10ppm. It certainly accellerates oxidation. It's probably not a good Idea to keep that in the attic, or under the house, simply for fires sake. In the presence of O3, a small spark can start a fire that will not go out as long as there is O3 present.

I think Gibbster and Dr Dank are on the right track. If ya put the unit in the vent duct, and use a smaller cfm fan, I would think that along with killing the odor going out it would create negative pressure in the room keeping all odor inside the room.
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BigBudBalls

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Dumb Q

Is an ozone generator basically the same thing as the ion air cleaners?

Just in basic 'guts' /concept.
 
panhead

panhead

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thelastpirate said:
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It only takes about .1ppm to begin to be toxic. I'm not saying it isn't a good thing, just that it aint really a good Idea in the house, without really venting it as well. Aside from the toxicity factor, it's flammable as hell.

O3 is a WHOLE lot better an oxidixer, and more flammable, than is O2. AND a lot less stable. Even tho it degrades into O2 in about 30 min, you can get "spontaneous combustion" at concentrations of less than 10ppm. It certainly accellerates oxidation. It's probably not a good Idea to keep that in the attic, or under the house, simply for fires sake. In the presence of O3, a small spark can start a fire that will not go out as long as there is O3 present.

I think Gibbster and Dr Dank are on the right track. If ya put the unit in the vent duct, and use a smaller cfm fan, I would think that along with killing the odor going out it would create negative pressure in the room keeping all odor inside the room.
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This is good shit to know thats for sure,i was not aware of these things,i started reading up about negative health effects from ozone but once i knew enough to fit my situation i stopped digging for health related info,my grow op is not in my home.
 
potlike

potlike

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Dumb Q

Is an ozone generator basically the same thing as the ion air cleaners?

Just in basic 'guts' /concept.
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Not really the same thing... Ozone generators will produce small % ions of molecules and ionizers will produce trace amounts of ozone also but while similar they are still different.

Think of air ionizers as static electricity(not really but best example I can give).... generally they produce negative charged gas that attaches themselves to particulate matter(in our case ODOR/bacteria) which happens to be positively charged. Bye bye odor :)

The way I have understood Ozone generators to work may be incorrect but this is my take... They create O3... the third oxygen atom is unstable and tries to attach itself to bacteria/odor. Once it does that it causes it to oxidize leaving a single oxygen atom as a byproduct.


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lorenzo08

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I was thinking about trying an in-line ion generator, either before or after an inline carbon filter. give it a try and see how effective it is.
 
panhead

panhead

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potlike said:
Not really the same thing... Ozone generators will produce small % ions of molecules and ionizers will produce trace amounts of ozone also but while similar they are still different.

Think of air ionizers as static electricity(not really but best example I can give).... generally they produce negative charged gas that attaches themselves to particulate matter(in our case ODOR/bacteria) which happens to be positively charged. Bye bye odor :)

The way I have understood Ozone generators to work may be incorrect but this is my take... They create O3... the third oxygen atom is unstable and tries to attach itself to bacteria/odor. Once it does that it causes it to oxidize leaving a single oxygen atom as a byproduct.


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Your explaination is pretty much the way i understand ozone as well.

Whatever the science is behind it the stuff works on the spot,i just bought another rental home that had been foreclosed on & sat vacant for about a year,the home was musty as hell,one weekend with one of my larger generators & it smells like a new home.
 
thelastpirate

thelastpirate

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panhead said:
Your explaination is pretty much the way i understand ozone as well.

Whatever the science is behind it the stuff works on the spot,i just bought another rental home that had been foreclosed on & sat vacant for about a year,the home was musty as hell,one weekend with one of my larger generators & it smells like a new home.
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Thats pretty much exactly the reaction. The free radical O bonds (and burns) whatever it attaches to, with O2 (still a fire hazard) as a byproduct.
At .1ppm, it (O3 ozone) will start to "oxidise" and burn nasal passages, alveoa in the lungs, give ya headaches, and all sorts of nasty shit. Thats why it is so damaging in some concentrations to plants. It will literally burn them up. Any ferrous metals that are oxidising when you introduce O3 will result in rapid acceleration of the oxidation process, which creates more heat, which will spiral out of control and result in the metal literally bursting into flame!!!
I am gonna order one of those jewels to try it out, but its going to go in the duct going outside. Just don't let concentrations build up inside. Now I gotta figure out what kind of air flow it will handle and still remove odor.
Good find. Hopefully, Grainger supply carrys them so I can get it local.
 
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captaincleanoff

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I live in a small 1 floor house, that has a roof with a fair bit of space inside (about half the volume of the house, and it is empty and vented).

You say it is safe to use an ozone generator in an 'unlived' space, does this include areas that are directly above 'lived' spaces?

Basically the vent room sits directly on top of my whole house... but is empty and is vented. Safe?
 
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