NO BULLSHIT dont do it. Miracle grow vs Fox Farm

I grew one plant in 1980 behind my house that ended up being a 16 foot tall female. Diameter of the stalk was 8 inches. Fertilized with liquid MG, only. I smoked that baby for a little over a year. Buds bigger than baseball bats and no seeds.
I ended up tying a 12" cinder block to it, to bend it over and not be so obvious. Next day I had a hedgerow of tops peeking over all the fall foilage. Everything else was dead from frost, but not the plant.

Out door the salts disperse better.
Indoor it is easy to burn with the chemical salts type ferts not just MG.

There are a few factors that you my friend are failing to analyze.

1. MG is a much stronger soil that FOX Farms.. Hands Down.

Proof: How come with the fox farm soil you are recommended to start adding nutrients to the soil? That means that the soil must have a medium to light nutrients mix. In mg you cant add anything for about 3 to 4 weeks. (i know it says 3 months..BUt MJ eats allot)

2. You state to not use any products from home and garden stores, and then go straight into fox farms. Why would i want to just throw my money away. You says there is a problem with those soils. Yet you preffer to get a mild soil and then spend 100$ on additional nutrients that you have to add weekly.

With mg you can literally not purchase any grow nutrients at all if you want.

All you need to do is transplant every 3 to 4 weeks into larger containers... If you want to use a strong dose of MJ nutrients like advanced line and botanicare and such it is recommended to wait until the soil nutrients have been used up.... 3 - 4 weeks... then you can add as strong as a dose as you would use with your weak fox farms...

3. Companies are all about money... But what MG shows me is that they had to win the people with just the soil. Fox farms emidiately wants you to start using additional products in order to not show deficiencies. look at the chart....

maybe him high but are the fox farm plants in bigger pots and closer to the light source??

Fox farm needs to buy an ad and stop the propaganda. Dirt is dirt and shit is shit.

Boneman said:

Hey FDD....Is that a bag of MG next to that chair? Come on man!! Get out of the closet and come clean with us

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out of the closet, come clean whats that mean did you not get the sarcasm in that statement he made

fdd+ mg soil= the biggest trees youve ever seen

Jash1297 said:

maybe him high but are the fox farm plants in bigger pots and closer to the light source??

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from what i understand yes they hold the same amount of soil op saib but one is taller..... kinda rules out an experiment coupled with from seed and diffrnt strains and it really rules out an experiment



clones, same size and shape pots equal distance from light.... basic things to do an experiment... all must be equal

This could be but i put them on little a mold resistant blocks to raise them up and i put the little ones in the middle and the larger ones on the outside...Here's some results from a month from germ...ITs the fact that everytime i'm watering im giving it a shot of nutrients when they dont need it at this point in life which is why im saying its bad...maybe in veg this stuff would be perfect but right out the bag MG using on seeds . Dosent agree with these plants!

I go with as little as I can possibly fuckin go with dude, and I don't use that over-priced advanced nutrient shit that Remo Urban Grower endorses, all I have is a quart bottle of FoxFarm Grow Big and a quart bottle of FoxFarm Tiger Bloom, Epsom salt, Super Thrive ,Molasses and that is it, thats all I use, I don't add anything else, each bottle of FF was like 9.00 and I've been using it for almost a year. I keep things as simple as can be and a constant Ph of between 6.5-6.8 in a soiless mix of 50/50 with perlite, I've found something that works and I'm sticking with it, fuck your Miracle Shit, if you want to use it and have got good results then fuckin use it. I don't add no where near the amount that the FoxFarms Dose Chart recommends, I feed weak as in 3/4 tea spoon per gallon once a week from the time I start feeding, and when the seeds sprout I don't feed them their first feeding till 3 weeks has passed. I'm not in a fuckin rush like many on here to get the quickest and biggest plants like a freakin contest with others, I HAPPEN TO LIKE WEAK NUTRIENTS, my plants may grow slower and may be smaller ....SO WHAT??? I sure don't worry about killing them, and I only flush ONCE 7 days before cutting them down. You don't have to tell me that MG is stronger than FF... I already know it is, the 2.8 cubic ft. bag of SunGro MetroMix 300 I use runs me about 17.00 per bag and the same size Perlite runs me 15.00 and I can get 10- 3 Gallon Containers easy out of that, I spend very little , everything is pushed tight together and lolly-popped for a single main cola, grow your fucking l.s.t. trees and I'll be fine and happy with my smaller plants.

Many people on these forums are so much in a hell fire hurry to grow as fast as they can and as big as they can, and thats where they run into plant problems, when I started feeding weaker and developed more patience , I stopped killing plants. I happen to highly recommend Mandala strains, thats practically all I tend to stick with , they will just about grow on their own. Last June I finished off with 2 Sam the Skunkman's Thai Haze x Skunk #1 in 3 Gal. containers double-potted into 5 Gal. buckets, they were freebies sent from a Seed Boutique order, almost 120 days of flowering , I cut them a bit early , they were fed weak too, my point is you don't have to have the most potent fertilizer in the valley, Herb CAN grow with weaker nutes.One more thing "Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups".

so i guess we all agree then....(scratches head)

ummmm......

thats no fun...

ok... MileHigh, since you're obviously against changing your mind.... how about starting a seedling in a different soil and then 3-4 weeks, transfer into Miracle... since by what you're saying... the plant would benefit off of it then

No what you need to do to use it right for a fair comparison next time is very easy.

1. Start mg plants in peat pellets.
2. Don't put the pellets into soil until there are really enough roots there you can see it's ready.
3. Mix 30% pearlite in
4. Ph some water and water the soil a day ahead.
5. Don't go mixing it all around or anything after wet
6. Stick the plug in the soil, 1/2" or so sticking out the top of the soil.
7. ONLY WATER WHEN DRY / Pot feels light/ NEVER ON THE SAME SCHEDULE AS THE OTHER SOIL
8. NEVER flush
9. Don't add nutrients at all of any kind until there is a real sign it needs something which should be months into the grow.


Sounds like a lot of steps but most are just telling you what not to do.

If you started a seed in mg that'll really really hold it back if not often kill them before they get a chance. And you sure don't want to use rockwool with it either.
Watering too often...
Unfair comparison, try again but this way.

im using mg organic and having fantastic results...although I did have to ajust the Ph of it first

OregonMeds said:

No what you need to do to use it right for a fair comparison next time is very easy.

1. Start mg plants in peat pellets.
2. Don't put the pellets into soil until there are really enough roots there you can see it's ready.
3. Mix 30% pearlite in
4. Ph some water and water the soil a day ahead.
5. Don't go mixing it all around or anything after wet
6. Stick the plug in the soil, 1/2" or so sticking out the top of the soil.
7. ONLY WATER WHEN DRY / Pot feels light/ NEVER ON THE SAME SCHEDULE AS THE OTHER SOIL
8. NEVER flush
9. Don't add nutrients at all of any kind until there is a real sign it needs something which should be months into the grow.


Sounds like a lot of steps but most are just telling you what not to do.

If you started a seed in mg that'll really really hold it back if not often kill them before they get a chance. And you sure don't want to use rockwool with it either.
Watering too often...
Unfair comparison, try again but this way.

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I am wayyyy to high for instructions with the words and numbers ....

diemdepyro said:

I am wayyyy to high for instructions with the words and numbers ....

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What he means is

MG soil = Soil with nutes! Add water ONLY....

You can start adding low lvl of nutes around week 4 of last transplant.

Period!

I have got some dirt.

OregonMeds said:

No what you need to do to use it right for a fair comparison next time is very easy.

1. Start mg plants in peat pellets.
2. Don't put the pellets into soil until there are really enough roots there you can see it's ready.
3. Mix 30% pearlite in
4. Ph some water and water the soil a day ahead.
5. Don't go mixing it all around or anything after wet
6. Stick the plug in the soil, 1/2" or so sticking out the top of the soil.
7. ONLY WATER WHEN DRY / Pot feels light/ NEVER ON THE SAME SCHEDULE AS THE OTHER SOIL
8. NEVER flush
9. Don't add nutrients at all of any kind until there is a real sign it needs something which should be months into the grow.


Sounds like a lot of steps but most are just telling you what not to do.

If you started a seed in mg that'll really really hold it back if not often kill them before they get a chance. And you sure don't want to use rockwool with it either.
Watering too often...
Unfair comparison, try again but this way.

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Thats the whole point exactly though Oregon meds...You have to do so much to the MG to get what you need from it...this whole thing is to prove out of the bag foxfarm will give you better bud than out of the bag mg but im willing to concede that if for some sort of miracle the Mg catches up and revives its growth. And you're right it often time will kill a seed right out of the bag HENCE THE TITLE DONT DO IT..

What he means is

MG soil = Soil with nutes! Add water ONLY....

You can start adding low lvl of nutes around week 4 of last transplant.

Period!

MileHIGHclub101 said:

Thats the whole point exactly though Oregon meds...You have to do so much to the MG to get what you need from it...this whole thing is to prove out of the bag foxfarm will give you better bud than out of the bag mg but im willing to concede that if for some sort of miracle the Mg catches up and revives its growth. And you're right it often time will kill a seed right out of the bag HENCE THE TITLE DONT DO IT..

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What he means is

MG soil = Soil with nutes! Add water ONLY....

You can start adding low lvl of nutes around week 4 of last transplant.

Period!

start seed in plugs or rockwool... I would do this in fox farm as well...

MileHIGHclub101 said:

Thats the whole point exactly though Oregon meds...You have to do so much to the MG to get what you need from it...this whole thing is to prove out of the bag foxfarm will give you better bud than out of the bag mg but im willing to concede that if for some sort of miracle the Mg catches up and revives its growth. And you're right it often time will kill a seed right out of the bag HENCE THE TITLE DONT DO IT..

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your supposed to use a seed starting mix or peat pellets of a bunch of other options and transplant in any soil not just mg mile high have you read any grow books or even the grow faq????

Tussle This is about MG VS FOX FARM NOT FUCKING WORK WITH MG BECAUSE IT CANT BE GOOD FOR YOUR PLANT IN THE FIRST STAGES OF LIFE AND ADD SHIT CAUSE IT HOLDS TOO MUCH WATER NO ITS THE FACT THAT IT SUCKS PERIOD. Your just going to try and defend this shit top to bottom no matter what, but guess what dick head this is my experiment and i say im doing it straight out the bag to prove a point that FOX FARM IS BETTER obviously if you have to keep putting in special situations for mg to grow in....FUCKIN FOX FARM DOESNT NEED THAT TREATMENT. THATs the point of this dumb ass...I've heard that mg works a lot better for outdoor conditions and maybe thats what you do....but as it is right now im sick of your shit man im just goin to kill those fuckin mg's now cause they are taking up space and im tired of hearing your stupid comments on what needs to be done to it to make it fair...bullshit do your own fucking experiment to prove your own fucking point!!!!!

ok, couple questions and comments. if something i say or ask has already been covered i apologize, i tried to read all 12 pages of this bitch but it was hard lol.. anyways i have 26 plants going at the moment and i know of three females at the moment. the rest are yet to show (besides one male i already removed and two that i suspect of being male) now on the MG subject i decided to do a little expirement after reading a lot about the pros and cons of MG vs Foxfarm and other brands. i have 16 2 liters and 26 plants (some on the bottles have two plants in them) they were pretty much all forced into flowering at an early stage. out of the 16 bottles three are MG moisture control, three are MG big bloom or something like that, three are DR. Greenthumb soill, one is plain potting soil with no nutes at all, and six are a foxfarm mixture i made with Dolimite, Peruvian Seabird and Bat Guano, Worm castings, perlite...ummm i think thats about it.. anyways all of them are pretty much doing the same and are all beautiful and healthy. i have 5 gallon buckets ready for when they all sex to transplant them into, now here is part of the question.. its perfectly ok to grow seedlings in seed starter, transplant them to MG through the veg stage, but once they start to flower they are getting transplanted to the five gallon buckets with the foxfarm/dolimite/guana/castings mix.. this will ensure that the plants grow to their fullest potential correct? MG is supposed to be bad because the feeding process was not designed for marijuanas budding stage but is perfectly fine for the veg stage. i had to do another exp with the plants and i have ONE give gallon bucket that is layers of all the diff soil just to see what happens. im using a 400W HPS in a 5ft by 5ft room and so far everything is going perfectly to plan. all the five gallons are the good stuff because i dont want to risk all my hard work and money on a MG crop... but what im doing is perfectly fine right? any suggestions or tips when using MG? i spent 100$ on two bottles of nutes, one was foxfarm red bottle, and a bottle of Ionic Bloom, also a small universal plant tea high in nitrogen good for all stages of growth. i have been giving them nutes pretty much every day (half strength or less) but only a couple ounces of water also. seems to be doing freakin awesome. like i said out of 26 there is 3 girls, one boy gone, and two suspected boys.


- One other question conserning seed growing. how early can you take a plant from 24 hour light straight to 12/12? or can you even do that? i know a very experienced grower who takes his plants from a week old (couple inches high) and puts them straight into his room. says he has to becasue his room isnt as tall as he would like it to be. if that smart? i didnt think so but i dont know as much about this as him... he told me to put mine from 24 hours straight to 12/12 when they were not even two weeks old... he said if i waited any longer they would get so big they would outgrow my room.. my shit is like 6' 6" high! what do you think about that? sorry this is so long. i havent been on in a long time. my outside grow got fucked with my animals who pulled my fence up out of the ground and i went out one day to see all males with roots exposed... anyways PeAcE! ill never type this much again i promise! lol