nuclear weaponry

what is it you think about when the word nuke is thrown around, if your a person that is smart, witty, an is well aware things around you, you want to quickly get rid of before it does some damage to ummm... EVERYTHING! i know the first thing that comes to my head about a nuke: death & judgement day (not the T2 movie either). now just because our president got with the president of russia an discussed it with the UN doesn't mean they're gonna simply get rid of them. i believe the countries that very well hold weapons of this calibur are keeping them until this proclaimed world government or our own country leaders gives a dumb ass reason to start WW3 just so they all can pull the trigger. i'm all for fightin against the oppression an standin my ground, but with weapons of war nobody wins an nobody lives to tell how it happened. we al should of got rid of these damn things in the first place; if anyone read the casualties that happened in hiroshima you'd know that these missiles (an from what learning right now) or atomic AR round pumps or whatever their inventing for the new generation of modern warfare in the second decade of the new millenium.

Look we're never going to get rid of our whole supple of nuclear weaponry because even if we did get every country in the world in an agreement about disarmament there would still be the chance of a non politically bound country like the taliban to get a hold of a nuclear weapon and shoot at the US or other country with no return offensive near the same size in same amount of time, it could be catastrophic. That would be a much more likely scenario then the chance of the US fighting a WW3 with say Russia, after there was nothing of like 45 years of stand off. And what if the US disarmed to set precedent, well then if our information on a countries weaponry like say North Korea, well then many Americans will get a first hand look of the death tolls of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

i think the nuclear arsenal is mainly a scare tactic of who has most. carpet bombing is way more effective than a nuke, most of a nukes energy goes up

Dimefan89 said:

i think the nuclear arsenal is mainly a scare tactic of who has most. carpet bombing is way more effective than a nuke, most of a nukes energy goes up

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You don't seem to know much. Could be I've lived by a nuke site all my life. But it took two. I'll say it again two bombs to bring japan down in ww2. no amount of carrpet bombing could do that.

Well stomps I'll agree with you as far as which weapon is more dangerous, a nuke or a group of carpet bombs, yeah I'd take a nuke, but when the air forces continue to bombard a city with carpet bombs day and night that is total devastation, and yeah two or three nukes could do that but I don't believe that is as cost efficient or I maybe wrong as far as that goes but it just doesn't seem as fair so you can get away with carpet bombing more then dropping nukes, cause the US carpet bombing tokyo I believe the city was turned to be more deadly on the total amount of deaths and many people do not realize that.

stumps said:

You don't seem to know much. Could be I've lived by a nuke site all my life. But it took two. I'll say it again two bombs to bring japan down in ww2. no amount of carrpet bombing could do that.

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fat man and little boy got shit done in ww2

carpet bombing is more cost effective

a lot of nukes destructive energy for the must part goes up into the air.

A question to ponder might be.... in 1941 ... if Japan knew we had a nuclear weapon.... would they have attacked us?

No.....

Well thats kind of a tough question to answer just because of what was happening in 1941, first we didn't have a nuclear weapon and second japan did attack the US and really did a great job at temporarily crippling our forces, but luckily we went into war production mode so we were able to produce more forces to fight quicker then ever, and we immediately started fighting japan. So yeah say if we had a nuke in 41 would japan have tried to attack us harder? then yes maybe but really the worst they could do would be light bombings of pacific cities which would suck but I don't think Ideal since we were sending thousands under them to the south pacific where they have many important goods located at. Also before war the US was supplying something like 80% of Japanese oil so after pearl harbor they had a huge oil crisis cause the US put an embargo on the empire.

All true, but my posit is:

IF we had a nuke in 1941 AND japan was aware of it....would they have attacked? Unlikely.

So nukes are an effective deterrent from a massive conventional attack, as in Russia's capability in the 70's of rolling across Europe if they truly wanted to. Once two or more countries have nukes, then it becomes about mutual destruction AND reaction/response time, as in keeping the nuke net tight around the target areas at all times ( silos, Bombers, etc.).

CrackerJax said:

A question to ponder might be.... in 1941 ... if Japan knew we had a nuclear weapon.... would they have attacked us?

No.....

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I don't think the USA had a fully developed Nuke in 1941. The use of it on Japan had another "benefit". It let the other kids on the block know who had the power and what it could do. The use in Japan was a message to the Soviets. I'm not saying it was an appropriate use, killing innocent people is something I cannot find justification for, but it DID serve notice.

Dimefan89 said:

i think the nuclear arsenal is mainly a scare tactic of who has most. carpet bombing is way more effective than a nuke, most of a nukes energy goes up

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Most of the energy with any bomb is lost upward. The yield is so high with a thermonuclear weapon that it doesn't matter. Enough energy goes out and down to cause mass destruction, hence their name, Weapons of Mass Destruction. Nuclear weapons possess something which conventional bombs don't; radiation! Nuclear fallout can be carried great distances and dropped many, many miles away from ground zero. This can decimate the environment for decades, even centuries. Radiation sickness is likely to kill far more people than the initial blast. Nukes also cause EMP, or electromagnetic pulse. This massive energy discharge is significant enough to fry most electronic equipment. Anything not properly shielded will be rendered useless. This means the power grid, municipal water systems, or anything controlled by computers would be non-functional. The reality of a nuclear war would be far worse than you or I can imagine. The one thing keeping all of this from becoming a reality is the thought of Mutually Assured Destruction. Anybody who grew up during the cold war knows all about MAD.

In summary, the physics of the blast is pretty much the same as a conventional one, just much, much bigger! To say that a nuclear blast is a scare tactic.........well, you are correct. But the reality is much worse than simply a scare tactic. Pandora's box has been opened. Nukes aren't going away unfortunately.

Rob Roy said:

I don't think the USA had a fully developed Nuke in 1941. The use of it on Japan had another "benefit". It let the other kids on the block know who had the power and what it could do. The use in Japan was a message to the Soviets. I'm not saying it was an appropriate use, killing innocent people is something I cannot find justification for, but it DID serve notice.

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Rob...c'mon now... I can't believe you are stumped by a hypothetical. My last post was in response to what you just posted.... I just went through this. I KNOW we didn't have a nuke in 1941.... I'm making a hypothetical point here. Nuke being a deterrent for a massive conventional attack, as in Japan attacking us.

It works in that cpacity...with non nuke countries capable of amassing a sizable "army".

jhopkins34 said:

Well thats kind of a tough question to answer just because of what was happening in 1941, first we didn't have a nuclear weapon and second japan did attack the US and really did a great job at temporarily crippling our forces, but luckily we went into war production mode so we were able to produce more forces to fight quicker then ever, and we immediately started fighting japan. So yeah say if we had a nuke in 41 would japan have tried to attack us harder? then yes maybe but really the worst they could do would be light bombings of pacific cities which would suck but I don't think Ideal since we were sending thousands under them to the south pacific where they have many important goods located at. Also before war the US was supplying something like 80% of Japanese oil so after pearl harbor they had a huge oil crisis cause the US put an embargo on the empire.

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They missed ALL the aircraft carriers and left the oil reserves intact, the attack could have gone MUCH better.

Hey Rob how old are you? Did you go to school in the U.S? It could have changed but when I was in school they still did U.S history in class. let me give you a few points on ww2. The japs bombed us before we entered the war. Hitler came very close to takeing over the world. Had the atomic bomb not been used the war could have ended very different. For one our Jew freinds would not be here able to bitch about anti Jews. the USSR was not a enemy at the time or at the start of the war anyway. In a world war there are no innocents. by nukeing Japan they stopped them for being able to wage war. End of story the war was over.

i think we need to drop more bombs. if you got it, flaunt it. otherwise what's the point? might as well arm wrestle.

i would have turned that desert to glass 30 years ago.

I nearly laughed when I heard about this issue being brought back from the dead. What next, are big hair and parachute pants coming back?

I mean honestly, if this isn't some cheap, shitty attempt for Obama to take credit for some nonsense, bullshit dead and buried issue I don't know what is. Are the history books going to now be changed to credit Obama for ending the cold war?

Maybe this is an attempt to take the focus off the fact that Obama is thowing Israel under the buss and not planning on doing a fucking thing about Iran who is building nukes and plans on using them. Obama's foreign policy is the worst in history and this is the crap we read about in the Left wing, lame stream media. Make no mistake about it, when all hell breaks loose, the blame will rest on Obama for failing to carry out the duties of his office with competence.

RickWhite said:

I nearly laughed when I heard about this issue being brought back from the dead. What next, are big hair and parachute pants coming back?

I mean honestly, if this isn't some cheap, shitty attempt for Obama to take credit for some nonsense, bullshit dead and buried issue I don't know what is. Are the history books going to now be changed to credit Obama for ending the cold war?

Maybe this is an attempt to take the focus off the fact that Obama is thowing Israel under the buss and not planning on doing a fucking thing about Iran who is building nukes and plans on using them. Obama's foreign policy is the worst in history and this is the crap we read about in the Left wing, lame stream media. Make no mistake about it, when all hell breaks loose, the blame will rest on Obama for failing to carry out the duties of his office with competence.

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israel has their own nukes and according to cracker that "will stop them being attacked" and its been reported pretty widespread about gwb and i think it was missile shield causing problems tbh nukes havent gone yet and the more go the better in my book..
obama foreign policy isn't doing that bad either your still not rated above china or russia around the world but you are climbing a bit just above north korea


also what how important do you consider irans supreme leader to be to all the religious nuts over there?

[video=youtube;JVeqhHmDPCE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVeqhHmDPCE[/video]

we killed more people in japan through conventional firebombing than were killed in both nuclear bomb blasts.
even after hundreds of thousands of civilians had been burned to death, japan was still not willing to capitulate.
only after they were rocked by nukes did they come to their senses.
if they hadn't come to the bargaining table after that, the japanese americans in the camps might have been the only japanese left alive on the planet.
we were willing to eradicate them. Scrub them off their island nation like old paint from a park bench.
they are lucky they surrendered.

i seriously think we should stop fucking around. we need a prez with some balls and a bad attitude. too many crybabies nowadays. what's all this peace and love gotten us? all day long all i see amongst us here is name calling and hatred towards each other. people only give a shit about themselves anymore.

fuck it all and drop some bombs, bitches.