Nutrients for soil grows

KushyMcKush

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Purpsmagurps: Fantastic looking plants! Can I ask which fish and seaweed products you use? Im looking for a good seaweed supplement but there doesn't seem to be a consensus on bottled/powdered prepared products out there. Many people say these are a waste and not a "true" seaweed and missing many key components. Others love them. Im just trying to get some different opinions.
 

cli420

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I use the entire Earth Juice line up. Never had any issues with it, But if your going to go The Earth Juice route. Make sure to get the Original Stuff. Not the new stuff.... I'm sure someone else could elaborate more.
 

KushyMcKush

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I use the entire Earth Juice line up. Never had any issues with it, But if your going to go The Earth Juice route. Make sure to get the Original Stuff. Not the new stuff.... I'm sure someone else could elaborate more.
Ive been going back and forth for weeks between Earth Juice, Dyna-Gro, and FF trio. Earth Juice seemed like an excellent organic option but in the end I was trying to simplify my nutrient regimine and with how you have to bubble it for 24-48 hours in 2 seperate solutions is just more going on for my first frow than I want to mess with. I think I will try it next time though once I get a little experience under my belt. In the end I went with Dyna-Gro. Seemed like the best option for what I wanted to spend and in its simicity and results.
 

cli420

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Ive been going back and forth for weeks between Earth Juice, Dyna-Gro, and FF trio. Earth Juice seemed like an excellent organic option but in the end I was trying to simplify my nutrient regimine and with how you have to bubble it for 24-48 hours in 2 seperate solutions is just more going on for my first frow than I want to mess with. I think I will try it next time though once I get a little experience under my belt. In the end I went with Dyna-Gro. Seemed like the best option for what I wanted to spend and in its simicity and results.

Dyna -Gro is great! Don't get me wrong, It's Simple and ready. I'm the type of person that constantly needs to be doing something. I get bored fast! Earth Juice make me work harder in the grow room. Yes you have to bubble Earth Juice for 24-48 hours. 48 Hours being the best... for me i've noticed. I use normal tap water and I do 1 gallon at a time per plant. R/O doesnt work great with earthjuice but some may say different. If I see a plant needs feeding but my nutes are not ready yet. I just water the plant with 1 gallon tap water 8.0PH with 5ml earth juice mollases brings it to 6.8 PH. Then ill wait a day or 2 and then feed nutes. My feeding schedules for the plants are never the same. Each plant even if its the same strain reacts differently. My entire family heritage is farming farmers ect. I like to think of myself as a natural DR.GREEN THUMB be one with your plants they will be one with you. The force is strong with cannabis. to those reading 8.0ph water!?!?! Yes i said it. It drops perfectly when molasses is added.
 

KushyMcKush

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Dyna -Gro is great! Don't get me wrong, It's Simple and ready. I'm the type of person that constantly needs to be doing something. I get bored fast! Earth Juice make me work harder in the grow room. Yes you have to bubble Earth Juice for 24-48 hours. 48 Hours being the best... for me i've noticed. I use normal tap water and I do 1 gallon at a time per plant. R/O doesnt work great with earthjuice but some may say different. If I see a plant needs feeding but my nutes are not ready yet. I just water the plant with 1 gallon tap water 8.0PH with 5ml earth juice mollases brings it to 6.8 PH. Then ill wait a day or 2 and then feed nutes. My feeding schedules for the plants are never the same. Each plant even if its the same strain reacts differently. My entire family heritage is farming farmers ect. I like to think of myself as a natural DR.GREEN THUMB be one with your plants they will be one with you. The force is strong with cannabis. to those reading 8.0ph water!?!?! Yes i said it. It drops perfectly when molasses is added.
Thats funny you say that! I always need to be out doing something in my grow room as well. Ill even just go sit in there for hours and watch youtube vids on growing or read various forums. Im the type that once I find an interest in something... I kind of obsess and need to know everything about it and all the hows and whys. I need to know why it works... Not just that it works. I really liked Earth Juice when I started looking into it more, but I just think for my first grow, the simpler the better. I think I will most definitely try it next time and maybe even do a side by side with Dyna Gro. The whole reason I ditched the Nectar of the Gods line was because 6 bottles was too much and too much room for error when I dont fully understand how nutrients work or interact just yet... But Im learning. Ive been reading Ed Rosenthall's book as well cover to cover and Im really enjoying all of the technical information and science behind how nutrients work and whats going on inside the plants various systems and in the soil itself. My goal going into this has always been crossbreeding and genetics. Ive always been fascinated with this. Plants are new to me. Now... If you want to talk reptile genetics I can go on for days :)
But... Gotta start with the basics!
 

cli420

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My White Widow X Thunder Fuck Auto. Shes at day 66 today. I have 3 of these under 1000 watt hps. I had 4 but 1 of them turned out not to be auto and is a photo period plant. Witch is a good and bad thing. Now I can take clones breed it ect. Id probable clone a few. grow it out in my next grow. if it's up to par I'll do an entire grow of it. This Entire Grow I used Earth Juice Catalyst, Microblast., Grow, Bloom, Hi Brix Molasses. and for my none earth juice line up just Hygrozyme.
I use a feeding schedule I found reading about earth juice on an other forum, I just made slight adjustments to it to fit my grow & grow style.
 

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KushyMcKush

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Very nice! Those look excellent. Heres mine under a 315w ceramic MH. I also have a 1000w hps I might need to move half out into another room under that if these get too big. The 2 big ones are some mystery bag seed I found, then I have 2 purple kush, 2 White Widow, and 2 White Cookies. The 2 babies in the cups are more purple kush... Ive read these specific ones have a cool pheno Im hoping will express so I can clone. The other deli cup is a clone off my largest purple kush. First time cloning, it was from a topping that I tossed in the trash then I was like... Hey! Why not try to clone this thing?! So I just stuck it right in some soil... No cloning powder/gel. And its growing fine lol.
 

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cli420

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Very nice! Those look excellent. Heres mine under a 315w ceramic MH. I also have a 1000w hps I might need to move half out into another room under that if these get too big. The 2 big ones are some mystery bag seed I found, then I have 2 purple kush, 2 White Widow, and 2 White Cookies. The 2 babies in the cups are more purple kush... Ive read these specific ones have a cool pheno Im hoping will express so I can clone. The other deli cup is a clone off my largest purple kush. First time cloning, it was from a topping that I tossed in the trash then I was like... Hey! Why not try to clone this thing?! So I just stuck it right in some soil... No cloning powder/gel. And its growing fine lol.
Thank you kind sir! Whip that 1000w hps out man! Your ladies will love it! Mystery Seeds are always a good thing. I was thinking of adding in some purples to my garden not sure what pheno yet... In my Mother tent I've got Girl Scout Cookies & 3 Pine Apple Expresses. I'm actually going to start cloning them tonight so by the end of this month they are ready for 12/12. That is awesome you decided to clone your top! that exactly what i did with the 3rd pineapple express! how funny! I had back up on it in the garden and it broke off. Took some Olivia's Cloning Gel and presto! 7 days later she had roots.Now shes Serving as a mother in my mother tent. Shes over 3 feet tall now. I wish i could clone like you did :( lol Every time I clone I get some sort of issue. That is why i just over clone ;) Seems to work out for me. I need to get a new Inline fan for my mother tent as my other one went out lastnight.... bah humba
 

KushyMcKush

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I might have to use it unless I keep them all really small. If I do I will need to do some more construction here and set up ventillation in the other room for that light. This 315 is perfect for the 4x4 room Im currently using. All I have is a small 12x12 vent at the bottom for fresh air to come in and 2 larger vents at the top for heat to escape and the room stays between 77-82 and around 65 at night with just a small oscillating fan. We will see if that clone holds! It seems to be fine so far so well see. Im not sure how long a top can stay alive after chopping but its been 5 days and still seems fine. I picked up some cloning powder yesterday for any future cuttings I might take. I need to be careful though because of my limited space.
Did you grow the cookies from seed? I got all mine from Crop Kings and they seem great. Ive been looking at Great Lakes Genetics though for my next run. Bodhi Gorilla Bubble and Mothers Milk look awesome, among many others.
 

cli420

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I might have to use it unless I keep them all really small. If I do I will need to do some more construction here and set up ventillation in the other room for that light. This 315 is perfect for the 4x4 room Im currently using. All I have is a small 12x12 vent at the bottom for fresh air to come in and 2 larger vents at the top for heat to escape and the room stays between 77-82 and around 65 at night with just a small oscillating fan. We will see if that clone holds! It seems to be fine so far so well see. Im not sure how long a top can stay alive after chopping but its been 5 days and still seems fine. I picked up some cloning powder yesterday for any future cuttings I might take. I need to be careful though because of my limited space.
Did you grow the cookies from seed? I got all mine from Crop Kings and they seem great. Ive been looking at Great Lakes Genetics though for my next run. Bodhi Gorilla Bubble and Mothers Milk look awesome, among many others.

You temps seem perfect its about the same temps i got going on and my plantas are thriving! I swear they got bigger overnight. Your top should be fine give it 10 12 more days. my girl scout cookies i got as a clone from a dispencery up in hombolt county. I had just signed up and i was walking in I got to meet the guy who cuts all the clones. He then showed me all his strains he was taking off the van. And thats when i saw this really dark green with lime green and dark purple stem I fell inlove... Haha my love story. My wife should be jelouse. ;) There is just so many phenos is really never ending! A real growers dream come true. My phones dieing time to charge it.
 

KushyMcKush

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You temps seem perfect its about the same temps i got going on and my plantas are thriving! I swear they got bigger overnight. Your top should be fine give it 10 12 more days. my girl scout cookies i got as a clone from a dispencery up in hombolt county. I had just signed up and i was walking in I got to meet the guy who cuts all the clones. He then showed me all his strains he was taking off the van. And thats when i saw this really dark green with lime green and dark purple stem I fell inlove... Haha my love story. My wife should be jelouse. ;) There is just so many phenos is really never ending! A real growers dream come true. My phones dieing time to charge it.
It got up to 88 in my room today... Its been in the upper 90's outside here all week but the room is well insulated so thats the highest Ive seen it. Im really hoping this Protekt silica stuff works as well as people say at helping with heat stress. They seem fine, some minor taco-ing on a few leaves of the purple kush but thats it.
Thats cool, the dispenseries here dont carry clones which is a bummer so I have to order everything online.
I think my girlfriend gets jealous from time to time too haha but shes into it.
Good talking to you man, message me sometime if you want to chat and bounce around ideas. Take care!
 

cli420

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It got up to 88 in my room today... Its been in the upper 90's outside here all week but the room is well insulated so thats the highest Ive seen it. Im really hoping this Protekt silica stuff works as well as people say at helping with heat stress. They seem fine, some minor taco-ing on a few leaves of the purple kush but thats it.
Thats cool, the dispenseries here dont carry clones which is a bummer so I have to order everything online.
I think my girlfriend gets jealous from time to time too haha but shes into it.
Good talking to you man, message me sometime if you want to chat and bounce around ideas. Take care!
88-90 is ok aslong as your plants are not wilting over ect ect. I've had it up too 100 before with no problems. But now I keep it a steady 65-70 ac window unit. If i where you Get some fans in there to move around the air a bit more. Are your tent flaps open? Whats your current lighting schedule at? if your lights are on during day, Try having lights go on at night instead of day. Id do this on your next grow. The hotter the slower the plant grows. I noticed Explosive growth as soon as my grow tents went from 88-90 to 65-70 with AC. I harvested some of my white widow early last night about an oz wet from one nug lol. Trics looked all cloudy with very few clear trics. I was surprised to see my white widow hairs where still mostly white, But Trics don't lie when it's ready! As soon as i harvested lastnight i wake up this morning and all the hairs on the bud are now brownish redish. I'm waiting until June 8th to fully harvest, If it isnt ready by the 8th I'll let it go tell the 19 on fathers day. Hopefully by the 8th or 19 I get some amber trics coming in. My wife was amazed at the test nug i took off last night. I normally never get clones because you can never be to sure if it is what they say it is you know? Hey man good talks! I'm all about sharing and caring man. Have yourself a bless day Happy growing. PM me id you need any help or got any questions you think I might be able to answer. Peace!
 

KushyMcKush

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88-90 is ok aslong as your plants are not wilting over ect ect. I've had it up too 100 before with no problems. But now I keep it a steady 65-70 ac window unit. If i where you Get some fans in there to move around the air a bit more. Are your tent flaps open? Whats your current lighting schedule at? if your lights are on during day, Try having lights go on at night instead of day. Id do this on your next grow. The hotter the slower the plant grows. I noticed Explosive growth as soon as my grow tents went from 88-90 to 65-70 with AC. I harvested some of my white widow early last night about an oz wet from one nug lol. Trics looked all cloudy with very few clear trics. I was surprised to see my white widow hairs where still mostly white, But Trics don't lie when it's ready! As soon as i harvested lastnight i wake up this morning and all the hairs on the bud are now brownish redish. I'm waiting until June 8th to fully harvest, If it isnt ready by the 8th I'll let it go tell the 19 on fathers day. Hopefully by the 8th or 19 I get some amber trics coming in. My wife was amazed at the test nug i took off last night. I normally never get clones because you can never be to sure if it is what they say it is you know? Hey man good talks! I'm all about sharing and caring man. Have yourself a bless day Happy growing. PM me id you need any help or got any questions you think I might be able to answer. Peace!
Yea, I may need to add another fan to blow cool air in from the other room. I have it in a shed, not a tent. There are actually 3 seperate rooms. The one Im using is 3.5'x4.5', the second is 4.5'x5.5'. The previous owners were hunters and used these two back rooms as a meat locker to store and cure their hunt. It had a refrigeration unit but it was long since dead so I tore it out. The cool thing is that it is well insulated. When it is 100 outside, it will stay about 65 in the outer rooms. But the back one Im using... Even with the doors left open... Still gets pretty warm. So I think a fan blowing air into the back would be a good call. A friend is coming out to wire the electricity onto its own dedicated circut here soon. That way I dont have to worry about overloading it. It already makes me a bit nervous having the humidifier, one fan, and 315w light all plugged into a surge protector, so Id be wary about plugging in anything else just yet.
Man I can't wait until mine are flowering. They already smell pretty good but I can only imagine the anticpation and anxiety of seeing them there on the plant and having to wait until they're just right!
Your account is set to private, I think you'd have to send me a pm before we could chat I think. Anyways, take care friend its been fun chatting with ya!
 

iskatero19

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image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg I am sorry for jumping in, I don't know if I am in the right thread but my babies need help.

I have never given any nutes to my babies except for the worm castings that I mixed in the soilless medium they are now into.

They are now 2 weeks and 4 days.
My babies are not looking healthy, they are showing these spots and tips of the leaves go dry. Some of the leaves are cupping.
As for my reading and research they are in heat stress and I think I over watered them for some time plus I never gave them nutes. Should I give them again worm casting? will it be enough?
can you advice nutrients or any homemade/diy organic nutes that I can feed them?
I do not have access to the good organic fertilzers you are all using but I think I can find some substitute.

Im kinda letting the pot dry out as it is still moist and let them thrive for water.

They need help, hopefully someone will take a look with my babies. :(
 

KushyMcKush

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View attachment 3701520 View attachment 3701522 View attachment 3701542 View attachment 3701545 View attachment 3701553 View attachment 3701563 View attachment 3701571 View attachment 3701572 View attachment 3701575 View attachment 3701578 I am sorry for jumping in, I don't know if I am in the right thread but my babies need help.

I have never given any nutes to my babies except for the worm castings that I mixed in the soilless medium they are now into.

They are now 2 weeks and 4 days.
My babies are not looking healthy, they are showing these spots and tips of the leaves go dry. Some of the leaves are cupping.
As for my reading and research they are in heat stress and I think I over watered them for some time plus I never gave them nutes. Should I give them again worm casting? will it be enough?
can you advice nutrients or any homemade/diy organic nutes that I can feed them?
I do not have access to the good organic fertilzers you are all using but I think I can find some substitute.

Im kinda letting the pot dry out as it is still moist and let them thrive for water.

They need help, hopefully someone will take a look with my babies. :(
Hello! Well, I am also pretty new to all this, but I have done a fair amount of research. From what I understand soilless media is just an inert material and requires a regular nutrient regimine in order to keep your plants healthy and happy. As opposed to soil, which has a certain amount of nutrients in the mix to keep the plants fed for at least the first 3-4 weeks before requiring any kind of additional feeding once the nutrients that were originally in the soil are all used up. A soilless medium is a type of hydroponic growing teqnuique, and needs to be treated as such.
as far as I know, any hydroponic nutrients will work for expanded clay, coco fiber, pearlite, etc. grow. Why not just order a good simple nutrient on amazon? Im using Dyna-Gro, its cheap, effective, and very very easy to use. There are many others, but this is just what Im currently using.
As far as the worm castings are concerned, I would have to let somebody else advise you on this. I would imagine that you would need to use some other additives in order to get a more complete feeding. I doubt these have everything the plant needs to survive in a soilless media set-up, but again, Im not sure on this. You will probably start running into some deficiencies down the road which would be problematic. You could also just go down to your local hardware store, walmart, garden store, or whatever you have access to that has a gardening section and use a fish fertilizer or even miricle grow people have has success with and would be better than nothing... But maybe better for a soil grow. You most likely need something more taylor made for hydroponic use.
 

iskatero19

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Hello! Well, I am also pretty new to all this, but I have done a fair amount of research. From what I understand soilless media is just an inert material and requires a regular nutrient regimine in order to keep your plants healthy and happy. As opposed to soil, which has a certain amount of nutrients in the mix to keep the plants fed for at least the first 3-4 weeks before requiring any kind of additional feeding once the nutrients that were originally in the soil are all used up. A soilless medium is a type of hydroponic growing teqnuique, and needs to be treated as such.
as far as I know, any hydroponic nutrients will work for expanded clay, coco fiber, pearlite, etc. grow. Why not just order a good simple nutrient on amazon? Im using Dyna-Gro, its cheap, effective, and very very easy to use. There are many others, but this is just what Im currently using.
As far as the worm castings are concerned, I would have to let somebody else advise you on this. I would imagine that you would need to use some other additives in order to get a more complete feeding. I doubt these have everything the plant needs to survive in a soilless media set-up, but again, Im not sure on this. You will probably start running into some deficiencies down the road which would be problematic. You could also just go down to your local hardware store, walmart, garden store, or whatever you have access to that has a gardening section and use a fish fertilizer or even miricle grow people have has success with and would be better than nothing... But maybe better for a soil grow. You most likely need something more taylor made for hydroponic use.


Will this be fine? There is "sodium" in this nute and as far as I remember I just read that sodium is not good for cannabis.
Im kinda confused right now.
Thanks for your response. :)
 

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KushyMcKush

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Will this be fine? There is "sodium" in this nute and as far as I remember I just read that sodium is not good for cannabis.
Im kinda confused right now.
Thanks for your response. :)
Hey man, Im just not experienced enough to answer whether or not that would be ok or not for cannabis. I don't think I would try it on my plants, but thats just me. Can I ask what made you go with a soilless medium without first obtaining some proper hydroponic nutrients? If it is this difficult for you to aquire them, you would probably be much better off just growing in soil. It is much more forgiving. Are you able to check your ph and ppm's? I know this is very important in hydroponic setups... And I believe this includes soilless medium. Id say if you can't get proper nutrients, you might be better off transplaniting into soil asap or just starting over in soil.
It doesn't seem like anyone else is following this thread anymore so you might want to try posting a new thread asking about this.
 

Purpsmagurps

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Purpsmagurps: Fantastic looking plants! Can I ask which fish and seaweed products you use? Im looking for a good seaweed supplement but there doesn't seem to be a consensus on bottled/powdered prepared products out there. Many people say these are a waste and not a "true" seaweed and missing many key components. Others love them. Im just trying to get some different opinions.
Age old fish and seaweed and age old bloom, then terpinator :)
 

Stipulus

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General Organics full line
GROW
per gallon

BioGrow 10mL
BioRoot 10mL
CalMg 5mL
BioWeed 5mL
Bio Marine 10mL
Diamond Black 5mL(first 2 weeks)
FloraNectar 10mL(for blue dream mother only, right now....)

BLOOM
BioBloom 10mL
BioRoot 10mL(first week only)
CalMg 5mL
BioBud 5-10mL(recommended 2.5-5mL)
BioMarine 10-20mL
FloraNectar 15-20mL(depending on flavor and strain)

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Nice!
 

cli420

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Yea, I may need to add another fan to blow cool air in from the other room. I have it in a shed, not a tent. There are actually 3 seperate rooms. The one Im using is 3.5'x4.5', the second is 4.5'x5.5'. The previous owners were hunters and used these two back rooms as a meat locker to store and cure their hunt. It had a refrigeration unit but it was long since dead so I tore it out. The cool thing is that it is well insulated. When it is 100 outside, it will stay about 65 in the outer rooms. But the back one Im using... Even with the doors left open... Still gets pretty warm. So I think a fan blowing air into the back would be a good call. A friend is coming out to wire the electricity onto its own dedicated circut here soon. That way I dont have to worry about overloading it. It already makes me a bit nervous having the humidifier, one fan, and 315w light all plugged into a surge protector, so Id be wary about plugging in anything else just yet.
Man I can't wait until mine are flowering. They already smell pretty good but I can only imagine the anticpation and anxiety of seeing them there on the plant and having to wait until they're just right!
Your account is set to private, I think you'd have to send me a pm before we could chat I think. Anyways, take care friend its been fun chatting with ya!

Hey man sounds a little like my set up. I converted 1 bedroom thats 11x15 or 15x15 can't remember, And I just put 2 4x8 tents in. 1 tent for flower 1 tent for mothers / Clones. The room my grow is in isn't completely sealed. So i get alot of outside air, But thankfully the incoming air leak from outside isn't hot. I now keep my tents a steady 65. 65 degrees seem to be just right for production. It's always good to have an electrician as a friend =]. Im harvesting 1 of my white widows today. I'll send you PM now. Sorry I've been off for the past week I caught the flu blah.
 
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