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zambonic

zambonic

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Carne Seca said:
Do you mean did Lincoln declare martial law in Maryland after actual fighting broke out and he called on the states to supply militia to help suppress the rebellion? When the militia entered Baltimore some of them were attacked and killed in the streets by Confederate sympathizers. Maryland was in a position to cut off Washington from the rest of the union and the Governor at the time refused to allow any more troops through Maryland. We were dangerously close to losing Washington to the Confederate uprising. Lincoln declared martial law and suspended Habeas Corpus legally.



Lincoln was dealing with rebellion AND possible invasion AND threat to public safety. This only affected Maryland at the time and then expanded to some of the midwestern states. What he did was legal and followed the Constitution to the letter. A justice of the supreme court took umbrage with it and defied the President declaring it unconstitutional. ONE judge. The Chief Justice at the time. HE defied Lincoln. Not the other way around. Or the way your racist author would have you believe.

There's your answer.
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If Lincoln's Maryland actions were dubious, a wave of arrests the following summer under another habeas corpus suspension was downright indefensible. The wave began after Congress instituted the first-ever military draft in July 1862. Because the draft proved highly unpopular and hard to enforce, Secretary of War Edwin Stanton, at Lincoln's behest, issued sweeping orders on Aug. 8 suspending habeas corpus nationwide—the first time the writ was suspended beyond a narrowly defined emergency area. Stanton decreed that anyone "engaged, by act, speech, or writing, in discouraging volunteer enlistments, or in any way giving aid and comfort to the enemy, or in any other disloyal practice against the United States" was subject to arrest and trial "before a military commission."
The exceedingly broad mandate precipitated a civil liberties disaster. It allowed local sheriffs and constables to decide arbitrarily who was loyal or disloyal, without even considering the administration's main goal of enforcing the draft. At least 350 people were arrested in the following month, an all-time high. Some of the accused had done nothing worse than bad-mouth the president. (That was also true before Aug. 8. On Aug. 6, for example, Union Gen. Henry Halleck arrested one Missourian for saying, " wouldn't wipe my ass with the stars and stripes.") David Greenberg So is bad mouthing the president a threat to public safety? And also why would Sam Dickson try to discredit Abraham Lincoln?
 
Carne Seca

Carne Seca

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That's a good question. Why are the white separatists trying to sully Lincoln's reputation and administration? Which president was responsible for the Emancipation Proclamation? Who freed the slaves? hmm.... I wonder....

The writ of Habeas Corpus wasn't nationwide. It covered only Maryland then expanded to several of the midwestern states. I don't see anything Greenberg said that contradicts the historical record. You're holding Lincoln responsible for some sheriffs and constables overstepping their bounds? This was civil war. Shit happens. Everything Lincoln did was legal and constitutional. Go blow some smoke up someone's ass that would actually fall for this shit. Like on Stormfront or something. Pathetic.
 
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ChesusRice

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Carne Seca said:
That's a good question. Why are the white separatists trying to sully the Lincoln's reputation and administration? Which president was responsible for the Emancipation Proclamation? Who freed the slaves? hmm.... I wonder....

The writ of Habeas Corpus wasn't nationwide. It covered only Maryland then expanded to several of the midwestern states. I don't see anything Greenberg said that contradicts the historical record. You're holding Lincoln responsible for some sheriffs and constables overstepping their bounds? This was civil war. Shit happens. Everything Lincoln did was legal and constitutional. Go blow some smoke up someone's ass that would actually fall for this shit. Like on Stormfront or something. Pathetic.
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But Lincolns real crime was denying states rights
like Slavery
~Zambonic the racist hiding as a Libertarian
 
zambonic

zambonic

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Carne Seca said:
That's a good question. Why are the white separatists trying to sully the Lincoln's reputation and administration? Which president was responsible for the Emancipation Proclamation? Who freed the slaves? hmm.... I wonder....

The writ of Habeas Corpus wasn't nationwide. It covered only Maryland then expanded to several of the midwestern states. I don't see anything Greenberg said that contradicts the historical record. You're holding Lincoln responsible for some sheriffs and constables overstepping their bounds? This was civil war. Shit happens. Everything Lincoln did was legal and constitutional. Go blow some smoke up someone's ass that would actually fall for this shit. Like on Stormfront or something. Pathetic.
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I am not now, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social or political equality of the white and black races. I am not now nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor of intermarriages with white people. There is a physical difference between the white and the black races which will forever forbid the two races living together on social or political equality. There must be a position of superior and inferior, and I am in favor of assigning the superior position to the white man.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lincoln in his speech to Charleston, Illinois, 1858[/FONT]​

So as I see it, if anything Dickson and Lincoln have alot in common. So with this quote your premise of a white supremist trying to discredit Lincoln because he loved blacks does not fit. So again, why would Dickson try to discredit Lincoln?
 
Carne Seca

Carne Seca

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He issued an executive order called the Emancipation Proclamation and he freed the slaves. Keep trying to muddy the waters. Regardless of his personal convictions he was responsible for closing the door on one of America's most shameful practices.
 
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fdd2blk

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zambonic said:
I am not now, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social or political equality of the white and black races. I am not now nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor of intermarriages with white people. There is a physical difference between the white and the black races which will forever forbid the two races living together on social or political equality. There must be a position of superior and inferior, and I am in favor of assigning the superior position to the white man.
Lincoln in his speech to Charleston, Illinois, 1858​

So as I see it, if anything Dickson and Lincoln have alot in common. So with this quote your premise of a white supremist trying to discredit Lincoln because he loved blacks does not fit. So again, why would Dickson try to discredit Lincoln?
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he won't be able to answer until uncle buck tells him what to say. ;)




 
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StevenSD420

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Carne Seca said:
edit: I can see why you didn't want to cite your source.
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lol that's a common theme throughout discussing political issues against people who claim to be libertarian or republican on this site, even when called out they still dance around not providing one; and criticize whatever source you bring to the table.

UncleBuck said:
while we're at it, i believe i was promised rainbows that shit skittles.
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i thought that was just promised to blacks, latinos and us young voters under 26? you mean you people get that too???? >=|
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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fdd2blk said:
he won't be able to answer until uncle buck tells him what to say. ;)
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did you have to drag me into this?

fine, i'll play along.

during the debates, lincoln also said: I agree with Judge Douglas he is not my equal in many respects—certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment. But in the right to eat the bread, without the leave of anybody else, which his own hand earns, he is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas, and the equal of every living man.

paints a pretty different picture, doesn't it?

also, our white supremacist quoting buddy left off the final part of the quote. he cherrypicked only that which he wanted to hear. add this to the end of the quote and it also paints a different picture: I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. My understanding is that I can just let her alone.

he also said of the founding fathers: they did not mean to declare all men equal in all respects. They did not mean to say all men were equal in color, size, intellect, moral development or social capacity. They defined with tolerable distinctness in what they did consider all men created equal — equal in certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness ... They meant to set up a standard maxim for free society which should be familiar to all: constantly looked to, constantly labored for, and even, though never perfectly attained, constantly approximated, and thereby constantly spreading and deepening its influence and augmenting the happiness and value of life to all people, of all colors, every where.

the (partial) quote that our white supremacist loving buddy posted was lincoln's response to douglas' accusation that lincoln was an abolitionist.

i can cherrypick all the quotes in the world that i want and paint only the reality which i want, doesn't change history though.

hope you're happy, fdd.

edit: the last quote does prove that lincoln was indeed an abolitionist.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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StevenSD420 said:
i thought that was just promised to blacks, latinos and us young voters under 26? you mean you people get that too???? >=|
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what's funny is that the people who broke for romney, those 55 and older, receive a much much much much much much much greater amount of "free shit" from the government. there is no comparison between birth control pills and medicare.

another romney FAIL.

oh, and talking about free shit from the government, why doesn't romney ever mention his $77,731.00 dancing horse deduction? :lol:
 
Johnny Retro

Johnny Retro

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UncleBuck said:
what's funny is that the people who broke for romney, those 55 and older, receive a much much much much much much much greater amount of "free shit" from the government. there is no comparison between birth control pills and medicare.

another romney FAIL.

oh, and talking about free shit from the government, why doesn't romney ever mention his $77,731.00 dancing horse deduction? :lol:
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Have you ever jacked off to Romney? Don't lie.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Johnny Retro said:
Have you ever jacked off to Romney? Don't lie.
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i am saving myself for romney until the time is right.

smokinrav said:
lol, priceless.
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what's even funnier than his simple inability to spell words correctly while accusing others of the same is the fact that he edited a lincoln quote and only gave the partial quote that served his own racial argument (which comes from a neo-nazi white supremacist, no less) while accusing others of racism.

"thou doth protest too much", aka B-5 on teabagger bingo ("no, your [sic] the racist!").
 
Carne Seca

Carne Seca

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Is that what I'm supposed to say now, UB? Just let me know. I'm right here. With my nose firmly up your ass. While we're on the subject? I need a machete and a coleman lantern.
 
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