Obama's Drilling for Oil and Gas,,,Still not Like Him!

CrackerJax

New Member
I get the OBVIOUS definition of the sun....but we are talking about STORABLE energy that can be used and delivered upon demand.

So... you don't get it.

In the real world.... nuclear energy is KING.....not the sun.

Keep on swinging though ... someday.
 

dukeofbaja

New Member
I don't know if solar energy can be stored, I'll have to ask my dad-in-law who is taking some sort of class in it. But my impression is that it can either be stored or sent back to the power grid, meaning a city can be pwered with sunlight (possibly, give me a day on this one). But I would only advocate it if the cost beat nuclear...I mean for the billion dollars it takes to set up a nuclear plant, surely you can set up quite a number of solar panels instead....if the solar panels are cheap enough. WHich is where we should be leading the way....
 

moobyghost

Active Member
I just don't get it. I voted for Obama and he has done some great things, and some questionable ones, this is the one of those things. Why would he do this? Is it to appease Republicans? It is not like we will see a benefit from this anytime soon.

Will this drilling be a little cleaner or greener than previous US drilling? etc etc.

No matter what you think of him, love or hate him, someone with an open mind try to explain to me why he did this?
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
I get the OBVIOUS definition of the sun....but we are talking about STORABLE energy that can be used and delivered upon demand.

So... you don't get it.

In the real world.... nuclear energy is KING.....not the sun.

Keep on swinging though ... someday.
and now I say WOW you really and truly don't get it...The biggest problem of nuclear energy is the waste and what to do with it. In fact, one of the biggest expenses of the nuclear power industry could be the storage of nuclear waste. Currently there are several ways in which nuclear waste is stored. Most of these methods are temporary. In most cases a viable long-term solution for waste storage has yet to be found. This is because the time period for storage is so damn long, on the order of thousands of years. You tell me how is that going to work out years from now...Solar does not have that problem...You also need to maybe read up a bit more on solar energy, because it can be stored...not so much the electricity but the heat. Heat unlike electric current, is something that can be stored. Solar thermal systems are built to gather heat from the sun, boil water into steam, spin a turbine and make power, as existing solar thermal power plants do...but not immediately. The heat can be stored for days and can be chosen when to be used. In California's Mojave desert, there are rows of solar mirrors in what's called "solar thermal power plants" that use this idea to make electricity for more than 350,000 homes.
You can also store energy in batteries...with the combination of the two you got some darn good storage of solar energy ( without hazardous waste )....We have yet to began to tap the power of the sun...The wonderful natural supplier of life and warmth...but don't worry some of us know the deal and will reap the benefits there of..

and dukeofbaja your in-law is wise to take classes on this subject...people with solar knowledge are about to get paid in the coming years...wind power as well...
 

CrackerJax

New Member
I just don't get it. I voted for Obama and he has done some great things, and some questionable ones, this is the one of those things. Why would he do this? Is it to appease Republicans? It is not like we will see a benefit from this anytime soon.

Will this drilling be a little cleaner or greener than previous US drilling? etc etc.

No matter what you think of him, love or hate him, someone with an open mind try to explain to me why he did this?

:lol: Don't worry MOOBY ... :lol: Obama isn't doing a thing about our energy problems except setting up new tax nets and killing incentives.... the oil talk is just that .... talk. Actually he put huge amounts off limits at the same time.

Follow the actions, not the words.
 

undertheice

Well-Known Member
Oil,,,is Old news and bad dealing's period,,,Drilling in the US is only going to supply our debtors and do nothing to promote Independence.
remember that statement next time you want to step on a plane or purchase anything that wasn't produced in your own backyard. like it or not, oil is our present and what enables us to proceed into the future. that future will have to include other sources of energy, but we aren't there yet and we won't get there by denying our present needs. the monitor you're staring blankly at right now contains petroleum based components and i'm willing to bet that your house is filled with similar products. we have the choice of depending on others to fill our petroleum needs, may of them self-avowed enemies, or tapping our own reserves until we can switch over to a more sustainable energy source. which of those alternatives seems the wisest choice to you? we can't return to that idyllic pre-industrial world with streets covered in horse shit and ignorance assured by limited travel and information sharing, so what is this grand design you have to tide us over until our energy requirements can all be met by clean and green sources?

i've grown quite bored with irresponsible tree-hugger rhetoric, decrying the excesses of our oil dependent society and demanding an immediate return to some imaginary utopian ideal. the requirements of sustaining our standard of living are obvious, as is what must be done to become independent of foreign energy sources so that we have the necessary time to develop and convert to more rational forms of power.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
UTI.... I read your posts with glee.... but I hope you realize that most of the "progressives" don't use dictionaries.... and miss at least half of your context! :lol:

I had one arguing with me over what a thesaurus actually was!!! I knew then I had to "dumb down" my posts.... and yet...
 

undertheice

Well-Known Member
UTI.... I read your posts with glee.... but I hope you realize that most of the "progressives" don't use dictionaries.... and miss at least half of your context! :lol:

I had one arguing with me over what a thesaurus actually was!!! I knew then I had to "dumb down" my posts.... and yet...
that's ok. anyone too ignorant to admit when they don't understand a word isn't really worth communicating with anyway. hell, sometimes even i don't know understand what i've just written. sometimes i just get a little too high for my own good.

by the way, everyone knows that a thesaurus is a dinosaur with a god complex.:mrgreen:
 

PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1

Well-Known Member
Yea,,Right wing prapagandist's,,,,Swing it,,Republicans,,,I have noticed that the Red states are all for pushing the BS keep us rich this is our livelyhood Oil dependence in the US ,,,while the blue states are already producing, Wind, solar,,etc...You solution is to vote the same fools in that were in before Obama,,Instead of progressing your Regressing,,,Like Mao,,,1 step forward 3 steps back.,,,Just Like stem cell resarch and all the reacearch to better the world,,,all you care about is The NOW I wan't it,,,,or I'll fight and take it from you through the military...and crackerHead,,,I don't need more school,,I work making money and see everything in the USA,,,and supporting it,,Love it or leave it, maybe move to one of them poor Islands that's paying your salary! Vasaline is not the most important thing in the world, as much as you try and say it is. There are plenty of oils like cannabis that can replace Un-replacable fields. open your mind instead of your wallets you'll see the truth.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Anyone pushing alternative fuels....is nuts.

Oil is king...oil is cheap...could be much much cheaper too.

Someday something will replace oil...but it won't be wind or solar.
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
Alternative fuels are the future.

Every expert agrees with that.

Oil is too inefficient, doesn't matter how cheap it is (which it's not, by the way).

Waves, wind, solar, geothermal, electric, nuclear - all of them will replace oil.

You're stuck in the past bro.
 
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