*Oh Oh, here comes the pain:ATTACK APPROVED!!

pandabear

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President George W Bush backs Israeli plan for strike on Iran

As Tehran tests new missiles, America believes only a show of force can deter President Ahmadinejad




“It’s really all down to the Israelis,” the Pentagon official added. “This administration will not attack Iran. This has already been decided. But the president is really preoccupied with the nuclear threat against Israel and I know he doesn’t believe that anything but force will deter Iran.”

The official added that Israel had not so far presented Bush with a convincing military proposal. “If there is no solid plan, the amber will never turn to green,” he said.

There was also resistance inside the Pentagon from officers concerned about Iranian retaliation. “The uniform people are opposed to the attack plans, mainly because they think it will endanger our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan,” the source said.
Complicating the calculations in both Washington and Tel Aviv is the prospect of an incoming Democratic president who has already made it clear that he prefers negotiation to the use of force.
Senator Barack Obama’s previous opposition to the war in Iraq, and his apparent doubts about the urgency of the Iranian threat, have intensified pressure on the Israeli hawks to act before November’s US presidential election. “If I were an Israeli I wouldn’t wait,” the Pentagon official added.

The latest round of regional tension was sparked by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, which fired nine long and medium-range missiles in war game manoeuvres in the Gulf last Wednesday.
Iran’s state-run media reported that one of them was a modified Shahab-3 ballistic missile, which has a claimed range of 1,250 miles and could theoretically deliver a one-ton nuclear warhead over Israeli cities. Tel Aviv is about 650 miles from western Iran. General Hossein Salami, a senior Revolutionary Guard commander, boasted that “our hands are always on the trigger and our missiles are ready for launch”.

Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, said she saw the launches as “evidence that the missile threat is not an imaginary one”, although the impact of the Iranian stunt was diminished on Thursday when it became clear that a photograph purporting to show the missiles being launched had been faked.
The one thing that all sides agree on is that any strike by either Iran or Israel would trigger a catastrophic round of retaliation that would rock global oil markets, send the price of petrol soaring and wreck the progress of the US military effort in Iraq.

Abdalla Salem El-Badri, secretary-general of Opec, the oil producers’ consortium, said last week that a military conflict involving Iran would see an “unlimited” rise in prices because any loss of Iranian production — or constriction of shipments through the Strait of Hormuz — could not be replaced. Iran is Opec’s second-largest producer after Saudi Arabia.
Equally worrying for Bush would be the impact on the US mission in Iraq, which after years of turmoil has seen gains from the military “surge” of the past few months, and on American operations in the wider region. A senior Iranian official said yesterday that Iran would destroy Israel and 32 American military bases in the Middle East in response to any attack.

Yet US officials acknowledge that no American president can afford to remain idle if Israel is threatened. How genuine the Iranian threat is was the subject of intense debate last week, with some analysts arguing that Iran might have a useable nuclear weapon by next spring and others convinced that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is engaged in a dangerous game of bluffing — mainly to impress a domestic Iranian audience that is struggling with economic setbacks and beginning to question his leadership.

Among the sceptics is Kenneth Katzman, a former CIA analyst and author of a book on the Revolutionary Guard. “I don’t subscribe to the view that Iran is in a position to inflict devastating damage on anyone,” said Katzman, who is best known for warning shortly before 9/11 that terrorists were planning to attack America.
“The Revolutionary Guards have always underperformed militarily,” he said. “Their equipment is quite inaccurate if not outright inoperable. Those missile launches were more like putting up a ‘beware of the dog’ sign. They want everyone to think that if you mess with them, you will get bitten.”

A former adviser to Rice noted that Ahmadinejad’s confrontational attitude had earned him powerful enemies among Iran’s religious leadership. Professor Shai Feldman, director of Middle East studies at Brandeis University, said the Iranian government was getting “clobbered” because of global economic strains. “His [Ahmadinejad's] failed policies have made Iran more vulnerable to sanctions and people close to the mullahs have decided he’s a liability,” he said.

In Israel, Ehud Olmert, the prime minister, has his own domestic problems with a corruption scandal that threatens to unseat him and the media have been rife with speculation that he might order an attack on Iran to distract attention from his difficulties. According to one of his closest friends, Olmert recently warned him that “in three months’ time it will be a different Middle East”.
Yet even the most hawkish officials acknowledge that Israel would face what would arguably be the most challenging military mission of its 60-year existence.

“No one here is talking about more than delaying the [nuclear] programme,” said the Pentagon source. He added that Israel would need to set back the Iranians by at least five years for an attack to be considered a success.

Even that may be beyond Israel’s competence if it has to act alone. Obvious targets would include Iran’s Isfahan plant, where uranium ore is converted into gas, the Natanz complex where this gas is used to enrich uranium in centrifuges and the plutonium-producing Arak heavy water plant. But Iran is known to have scattered other elements of its nuclear programme in underground facilities around the country. Neither US nor Israeli intelligence is certain that it knows where everything is.

“Maybe the Israelis could start off the attack and have us finish it off,” Katzman added. “And maybe that has been their intention all along. But in terms of the long-term military campaign that would be needed to permanently suppress Iran’s nuclear programme, only the US is perceived as having that capability right now.”
Additional reporting: Tony Allen-Mills in New York
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pandabear

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this is sooo funny looks like the isralis are going to attack because of

"Barak Obama"

no doubt its because of Barak they want to attack now.

this is one example of how just being a good guy lilly liver will cause great destablization in the world due to countries feeling they are not safe anymore without america by thier side, jordan & saudi arabia are already working on getting nukes because of the iran threat and now isreal will go to war now just incase obama wins the election they want to do it while they still have friends in the white house




and its all baraks fault:blsmoke:
 

medicineman

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Barak is a bullshit excuse. They want to attack before he gets a chance at diplomacy, incredible, the warmongering Bastards. I say cut their aid, now. If they cause WWIII and all you comfortable right wing nutballs lose your lifes and homes from atomic blasts and fallout, I hope fallout upon you, it's more painful, the type that melts your skin right off your body, think about it before you send in those planes, idiots.
 

undertheice

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Barak is a bullshit excuse. They want to attack before he gets a chance at diplomacy, incredible, the warmongering Bastards. I say cut their aid, now.....
there is something to be said for having a big dog on the block that may just be crazy enough to rain down hell on smaller countries if they step too far out of line. that sort of fear tends to keep the more belligerent mongrels at bay and provides a feeling of safety for the big dog's friends. once that big dog decides to start acting all warm and fuzzy, all bets are off and the planned armageddon can begin.

whether you like it or not (i know i'm not too crazy about it), we're that big dog. no other nation on earth has quite the capacity for raining down hell and keeping the shit storm going that we do and, believe it or not, that adds some small measure of stability to a world filled with petty dictators and would-be warlords. should brak get to the oval office and start worrying over whether the rest of the world likes us or not; that fear eases, our allies begin worrying and the little yippie dogs start to fight over the scraps. look to the mess in eastern europe after the fall of the soviet union, spread that across the globe should we start to withdraw support from our many allies, and you may start to see what would happen once the white house adopts a posture of capitulation.

yes; we all know your mildly antisemitic world view, but israel is our only steadfast ally in the middle east and some small measure of support is needed to keep it that way. if you're hoping that the islamic nations will suddenly embrace an overwhelmingly christian west, don't hold your breath. i'll agree that the amount of aid we send to them is ridiculous and should be drastically reduced, but to cut them off completely would win us no allies in the area and likely cost us our only friend. as for the iraelis being war mongers, wake the fuck up. that's like damning the hatfields and praising the mccoys. it would be nice if there was no bigotry in the world, but it just ain't so and a country surrounded by nations who seek its destruction based solely on a matter of faith is destined to be forced to rely on military answers to many of its problems. if you stop seeking scapegoats you might actually begin to understand the plight of those around you.
 

pandabear

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there is something to be said for having a big dog on the block that may just be crazy enough to rain down hell on smaller countries if they step too far out of line. that sort of fear tends to keep the more belligerent mongrels at bay and provides a feeling of safety for the big dog's friends. once that big dog decides to start acting all warm and fuzzy, all bets are off and the planned armageddon can begin.

whether you like it or not (i know i'm not too crazy about it), we're that big dog. no other nation on earth has quite the capacity for raining down hell and keeping the shit storm going that we do and, believe it or not, that adds some small measure of stability to a world filled with petty dictators and would-be warlords. should brak get to the oval office and start worrying over whether the rest of the world likes us or not; that fear eases, our allies begin worrying and the little yippie dogs start to fight over the scraps. look to the mess in eastern europe after the fall of the soviet union, spread that across the globe should we start to withdraw support from our many allies, and you may start to see what would happen once the white house adopts a posture of capitulation.

yes; we all know your mildly antisemitic world view, but israel is our only steadfast ally in the middle east and some small measure of support is needed to keep it that way. if you're hoping that the islamic nations will suddenly embrace an overwhelmingly christian west, don't hold your breath. i'll agree that the amount of aid we send to them is ridiculous and should be drastically reduced, but to cut them off completely would win us no allies in the area and likely cost us our only friend. as for the iraelis being war mongers, wake the fuck up. that's like damning the hatfields and praising the mccoys. it would be nice if there was no bigotry in the world, but it just ain't so and a country surrounded by nations who seek its destruction based solely on a matter of faith is destined to be forced to rely on military answers to many of its problems. if you stop seeking scapegoats you might actually begin to understand the plight of those around you.

wow man u broke it down like a pro
 

undertheice

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wow man u broke it down like a pro
they are just sad but true facts that we all know, though we may try our hardest to deny them. wishing the world were a better place than it really is is only a path to self destruction. acting in a manner that is better than we are, but being cautious to prepare for the worst, is the laudable and rational position. politicians, however, rarely do the laudable or the rational thing unless they see some personal profit to it and we all seem to go along with the farce.
 

VTXDave

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Obama is not a "Dove" as many would like to paint him as. He's voted to fund the war. He's promised to increase our military might. He's voted in favor of FISA. I'll say it again..."OBAMA IS NOT A DOVE!!!"

This'll play well into the next Administrations end game plan.
 

Dankdude

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Undertheice, you said that no other nation has the capacity for raining down hell and keeping the shit storm going that we do?
Did you forget about China? They have 5 times the Army than the United States, 3 time the Weaponry and in a conventional or Nuclear War would hand our asses to us.
Oh and China backs Iran.
Go ahead and look it up.
 

ccodiane

New Member
If the Chinese elite looked outward, the citizens would revolt, as is occuring/ed in all commie experiments to date. They can't afford the distraction. They've learned from the Soviets mistakes.

I wish Hillary was still "in it to win it". She is not a dove. Obama is a tick on a dove.

Woe is Hillary...............:blsmoke:
 

shamegame

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Undertheice, you said that no other nation has the capacity for raining down hell and keeping the shit storm going that we do?
Did you forget about China? They have 5 times the Army than the United States, 3 time the Weaponry and in a conventional or Nuclear War would hand our asses to us.
Oh and China backs Iran.
Go ahead and look it up.
How do you figure China would hand us our asses in a nuclear exchange ? We have more nukes ( not that it matters because an exchange of that size would make most of the world unliveable ). Mutually assured destruction- Are you saying we would be a little bit more destroyed than China ? :mrgreen:
 
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