Opinions On Bulbs

IMHO, it is best to ignore C2M and his pathetic rants. Please folks, let him spin and consider his remarks what they are... foolish and disrespectful ramblings... If the forum had a SPAM filter, I would add him to the list.

-ngtybear

babygro said:

How did you know it was a defect in the digital ballast that caused the bulb to explode? I've never heard of one instance of digital ballasts causing bulbs to explode, but seeing as you're such an expert on warranties, no doubt you have plenty of verifiable examples to show us.

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I thought you had enough of being made out to be a liar. Why the fuck are you going back on your word ?

Answer the fucking question about warranty's before you ask any questions of me.

The reason you have not heard about the bulbs blowing up is because you obviously have not read the insurance claims. It was not only the Sylvania bulbs which exploded and it was not only limited to one instance.

How about answering your claims about the fucking warrantys for starters or would you like to ask more questions and not admit you fucked up pretending to know when you are talking out of your ass ?

Answer how the warrantys are the same and then tell me why they are not the same and the reasoning and the message sent to the market place.

Google is your friend to look up the same claims I have so get off your lazy ass and look.

First answer how the warranties are the same with digital ballasts and magnetic ballasts ..... you keep avoiding the question like the plague and come up with misdirection as your defense and the new guy is picking on me (oh my).

I am all ears since you felt compelled to engage me in conversation - again.

Bring it.

ngtybear said:

IMHO, it is best to ignore C2M and his pathetic rants. Please folks, let him spin and consider his remarks what they are... foolish and disrespectful ramblings... If the forum had a SPAM filter, I would add him to the list.

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You can put him on your 'ignore' list, which is probably what I'm going to have to end up doing, if I decide to stay here that is and that's not certain at the moment, because I've had enough.

Chinga_2_Madre said:

Man you are really stupid aren't you?

No HID bulbs should be touched.

The grease on your skin will cause them to crack or burst under the right conditions. It does not matter the manufacturer so your comment of pussy bulbs were basically made by someone who posts like a pussy.

CFL's are for cunt losers so I guess it fits you to a TEE - enjoy.

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At no point did I advocate the touching of a HID bulb. Read listen and take notes.

If you are going to use an extention cord at any time (and this applies to the reason for such warnings.) You need to use a high quality preferrably the thick orange extension cords they use for construction sites. Your extension cord MUST HAVE A GROUND plug one into your wall and plug the other into a GROUNDED powerstrip or power cleaner. If there is a surge of electricity or any other case which would spark an electrical fire it will happen inside the powerstrip which is BUILT to destroy its self rather than the equipment behind it (I've also been in a few bands and we pull a shit ton more wattage than your silly lights) The point of a limiter or regulater on the other side of your ballast is to regulate the max power that can be sent through the line to your light (TIP: This stops the digital defect of allowing more power to pass through the line and pop your bulb.)

Electronics 101.

Dont use those dinky ass white entension coords for anything more than a desk lamp because thats all they are meant for.

Baby gro... You have been a big help to me this last few months and a few of your colorful rants have been worth the whole forum. I encourage you to stay. I know from the feedback form others that you have been a help to them too.

Don't let one prick pull your chain. Write him off for what he is....

-ngtybear

Chinga_2_Madre said:

The reason you have not heard about the bulbs blowing up is because you obviously have not read the insurance claims. It was not only the Sylvania bulbs which exploded and it was not only limited to one instance.

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Why am I not surprised that yet again, when asked for any proof or evidence of anything you say, you've failed to produce it.

Are we expected to continually take your word for pretty much everything you say?

...the gutless rambling of a coward who hides behind a nic. Consider yourself ignored.

babygro said:

You can put him on your 'ignore' list, which is probably what I'm going to have to end up doing, if I decide to stay here that is and that's not certain at the moment, because I've had enough.

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Posters are tired of reading your lies and promoting your own fucking agenda which has nothing to do with getting the right info out about growing.

Your bias toward CFL's and fuzzy math explanations may impress the stupid punk ass kids who are saying "ooohhh and ahhh" over babygros ability to cut and paste.

I asked you rationalize and formulate a premise as I have done with respect to the warranty and still can not offer up a shread of support for your claims.

Why don't you just admit you are not as smart as you think and someone has called your ass out.

You deal with it by cowering when presented with stone cold hard facts.

Some poster. ppppffft....

babygro said:

Why am I not surprised that yet again, when asked for any proof or evidence of anything you say, you've failed to produce it.

Are we expected to continually take your word for pretty much everything you say?

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I want you to SATISFACTORILY show how the digital ballast warranties are the same as magnetic ballasts.

If you can show me without a doubt that the warranties are exactly the same, I will provide you with the links that you or anyone needs.

That is a fair compromise.

Now begin.

I am waiting.

Chinga_2_Madre said:

I asked you rationalize and formulate a premise as I have done with respect to the warranty and still can not offer up a shread of support for your claims.

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Lumatek offer a 5 year warranty on their ballast. Most magnetic coil ballasts are standard 2 year warranties. According to you, electronic ballasts are so unreliable they're likely to explode and burn your house down.

Manufacturers do not offer 5 year warranties on products that are unreliable and likely to go wrong.

Long warranties are offered on products that offer the longest reliability, otherwise it would be pretty bad business practice would it not?

I stated that electronic ballasts would have the same warranties as magnetic coil ones, I was wrong -some of them have MUCH LONGER warranties, thus supporting what I said ablout electronic ballast reliability.

I really don't see how you can claim that a longer warranty on an electronic ballast in comparison to a magnetic coil one can support what you're saying in the slightest.

No doubt you'll have some wried and wonderful reason for why though.

i like to laugh thank you both

Godkas said:

At no point did I advocate the touching of a HID bulb. Read listen and take notes.

If you are going to use an extention cord at any time (and this applies to the reason for such warnings.) You need to use a high quality preferrably the thick orange extension cords they use for construction sites. Your extension cord MUST HAVE A GROUND plug one into your wall and plug the other into a GROUNDED powerstrip or power cleaner. If there is a surge of electricity or any other case which would spark an electrical fire it will happen inside the powerstrip which is BUILT to destroy its self rather than the equipment behind it (I've also been in a few bands and we pull a shit ton more wattage than your silly lights) The point of a limiter or regulater on the other side of your ballast is to regulate the max power that can be sent through the line to your light (TIP: This stops the digital defect of allowing more power to pass through the line and pop your bulb.)

Electronics 101.

Dont use those dinky ass white entension coords for anything more than a desk lamp because thats all they are meant for.

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You do not know shit about putting a limiter on the ballast side. The bulbs are designed with their own engineered limiters. Next, why spend more money on another component that the fucking ballast is suppose to control. That is fucking ignorant to even suggest.

Ballasts have timing mechanisms which are sensitive to distance for the electrical impulses to travel. It is NEVER advised, I do not give a fuck what guage extension cord you use...never ever ever use extension cords on a ballast. Never. I repeat one more fucking time....never.

Electronics 101 my ass.

C2m, you know what you're right. You're right that i didn't read the rest of the posts before I replied, my bad!! BUT, your exact words are "Digital ballasts have exploded and caused fires." Now if that is saying that it blew up the lamps than that's my bad again. You know what, I still haven't read back to the rest of the posts and really I don't think I have to to figure out that your ranting is a bunch of horse shit!!! And the reason I didn't post on the extension cord thing is because you CAN use an extension cord you brainless FUCK!! Do you think that when you run wire inside a building that every run is less than 50'?? Now there are simple formulas out there that will give you the exact voltage drop on each size of wire (AWG). As long as the size of wire is big enough for the load of the appliance (with the voltage drop of the length of wire added in) you will be OK! And as far as electronic ballasts go, they usually draw an amazingly LOW current for the amount of light that they produce.

Now I just looked back at most of the posts and I still don't see where you said that the ballasts blew the lamp up. Maybe I'm blind along with brainless.

RUExperienced said:

As long as the size of wire is big enough for the load of the appliance (with the voltage drop of the length of wire added in) you will be OK!

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One more time, NEVER ... I REPEAT NEVER...use extension cord wiring and I do not give a fuck what the AWG of the wires may be. It could be 1/O wire and still you do not get it. The length of the power cord is engineered for the ballast. One more time. Say it with me. The length of the Power cord is engineered for the ballast.

It has nothing to do with the 50' rule for upsizing wire for voltage drops. You think you have the answer but you are not quite there yet. I know about that rule and also know 14 awg is the smallest copper wire you can run on a 15 amp breaker. 12 awg if it is aluminum. That is simple simon stuff.

Again, the length of the power cord is engineered for the ballast.

Chinga_2_Madre said:

Oh and since that stupid fuck, the commercial electrcian (RUExperienced) did not catch your stupid fucked up comment on extention cords - that is fucking STUPID to put any ballast on an extention cord. The ballast is rated for so many feet of wire and is calculated by someone a lot smarter than your stupid ass or RUExperienced. NEVER use extension cords on a ballast. If that confuses you then forget the advise and burn your dumb ass grow down to the ground for being a fucking idiot.

So My Electronics wiz, read what the manufacturer of any smart ballast company will say about extension cords and HID light.

Any more ?

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As long as an extension has a high enough rating to be able to handle the current of the ballast. Your comment about the ballast being rated for length of electricity cord is just so rediculous, wouldnt this then mean that a timer is a no no, maybe they hadn't accounted for the size of the timer, or what about when you get a 6 way socket with a contactor maybe they didnt account for that either.

Chinga_2_Madre said:

Posters are tired of reading your lies and promoting your own fucking agenda which has nothing to do with getting the right info out about growing.

Your bias toward CFL's and fuzzy math explanations may impress the stupid punk ass kids who are saying "ooohhh and ahhh" over babygros ability to cut and paste.

I asked you rationalize and formulate a premise as I have done with respect to the warranty and still can not offer up a shread of support for your claims.

Why don't you just admit you are not as smart as you think and someone has called your ass out.

You deal with it by cowering when presented with stone cold hard facts.

Some poster. ppppffft....

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Posters are tired of you, you have your own agenda which doesnt seem to have much to do with anything at all.

Babygro isnt biased towards any product more than the other, he just bothers to find out peoples requirements before telling them what they need. Unlike you which would make you biased towards HID systems.

For the comment about giving stone hard cold facts, i havent read 1 single thing you have posted that has been fact.

Obviously when god was handing out brains you thought he said milkshake and asked for one extra thick

nongreenthumb said:

As long as an extension has a high enough rating to be able to handle the current of the ballast. Your comment about the ballast being rated for length of electricity cord is just so rediculous, wouldnt this then mean that a timer is a no no, maybe they hadn't accounted for the size of the timer, or what about when you get a 6 way socket with a contactor maybe they didnt account for that either.


Posters are tired of you, you have your own agenda which doesnt seem to have much to do with anything at all.

Babygro isnt biased towards any product more than the other, he just bothers to find out peoples requirements before telling them what they need. Unlike you which would make you biased towards HID systems.

For the comment about giving stone hard cold facts, i havent read 1 single thing you have posted that has been fact.

Obviously when god was handing out brains you thought he said milkshake and asked for one extra thick

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Call any reputable ballast manufacturer right now and speak to a tech and post the phone number and who you spoke to and what he tells you.

If you have the balls, you will do it so you get educated as well.

Remember this phrase and anyone can call just to prove my point: The length of the power cord is engineered for the ballast.

My bias toward HID systems is because I have seen all the scam and rip off artists claiming CFL's as the shit to prey on stupid fucking kids who do not know any better.

Are you one as well?

When you are done playing and wasting your hard earned cash on kiddie systems like your little sisters Easy Bake oven, you will literally not see the light I suspect. HID systems are much superior to CFL's and if somebody says anything different, they are full of fucking shit.

Still no facts provided just the same old story coming out again and again, youve proven that you know nothing, or that you can listen to what someone else says.

Considering that you think your so intelligent, I would have thought you could listen to what others had said. I couldnt really care much for anything you say and you can continue rambling as much as you want.

YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO CREDIBILITY.

I dont know if you have noticed but pretty much everyone on this site has sided against you, people have stuck up for babygro based on making their own opinions, these opinions have been forumlated by LISTENING to what others have said and taking it on board.

If I am honest a week ago i was right aboard the HID ship but having tried a cfl for myself now I wouldnt knock one that provided sufficient lumens in the correct light spectrum but all of this just goes over your head anyway and you dont LISTEN and we just go back to the same things over and over again. I'm done with you now, I dont need to prove anything to anybody, there are lots of other people on this site who respect babygro, who have LISTENED to him and put what he has said into action and have achieved the results they want.

So obviously you are a really experienced grower who knows everything about anything and your not going to need to ask for any help from anybody, so what actually are you doing here, why dont you just disappear and get back to looking at those fetish porn sites you frequent and leave everybody here who doesnt give two shits about you or even like you to grow in peace.

nongreenthumb said:

Still no facts provided just the same old story coming out again and again, youve proven that you know nothing, or that you can listen to what someone else says.

Considering that you think your so intelligent, I would have thought you could listen to what others had said. I couldnt really care much for anything you say and you can continue rambling as much as you want.

YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO CREDIBILITY.

I dont know if you have noticed but pretty much everyone on this site has sided against you, people have stuck up for babygro based on making their own opinions, these opinions have been forumlated by LISTENING to what others have said and taking it on board.

If I am honest a week ago i was right aboard the HID ship but having tried a cfl for myself now I wouldnt knock one that provided sufficient lumens in the correct light spectrum but all of this just goes over your head anyway and you dont LISTEN and we just go back to the same things over and over again. I'm done with you now, I dont need to prove anything to anybody, there are lots of other people on this site who respect babygro, who have LISTENED to him and put what he has said into action and have achieved the results they want.

So obviously you are a really experienced grower who knows everything about anything and your not going to need to ask for any help from anybody, so what actually are you doing here, why dont you just disappear and get back to looking at those fetish porn sites you frequent and leave everybody here who doesnt give two shits about you or even like you to grow in peace.

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So what am I suppose to get out of this ? I get nothing.

Do you have a question ?

If not then shut the fuck up and learn.

Next ?

How about that we are all fed up with your disrespect and ramblings?

Do you get that?

Next....