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@slow drawl no problem: the more pics the merrier! And, how big is your GH?

Humanrob said:

It is interesting to me how healthy plants can ward off PM. We have been growing peas and beans, and they seem to get covered with PM just as they are finishing up and dying out. The conditions were the same as when the plant was young -- if anything this year it has dried out some as time has gone on. But the plants weaken, get susceptible and get taken over. I'll do whatever I can to keep the cannabis strong and healthy, that seems to really help them keep the PM at bay.

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I know my squash always gets PM, looks like it's finished. It than has another period of new growth, no PM, that carries it through the end. I remember usually thinking I should just yank them, but I wait and get that second round of growth. Maybe I should practice PM management w/ my squash.

It's interesting my perceptions of humidity. We were talking a few posts back about it, comparing Southern Oregon to the valley. I was guessing much lower than it was mid day. Since than I've been checking in the mornings too: 91% for me, 82% for Ashland. I never would have guessed that high for either area. I'm not sure what my point is... something to ponder.

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WV: Jetson said:

@slow drawl no problem: the more pics the merrier! And, how big is your GH?



I know my squash always gets PM, looks like it's finished. It than has another period of new growth, no PM, that carries it through the end. I remember usually thinking I should just yank them, but I wait and get that second round of growth. Maybe I should practice PM management w/ my squash.

It's interesting my perceptions of humidity. We were talking a few posts back about it, comparing Southern Oregon to the valley. I was guessing much lower than it was mid day. Since than I've been checking in the mornings too: 91% for me, 82% for Ashland. I never would have guessed that high for either area. I'm not sure what my point is... something to ponder.

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Cool man... the GH is 10.5' x 14'. Shed style 8.5' to the top and almost 7' on the low. The store bought 100 gal bags I have are killing me, losing 16" of head room. Next season 2 plants and I will sew up my own 200 gal shallow bags.
I've never found any way to manage PM on my squash. Always get it, sometimes early sometimes late. Come our harvest times PM spores are every where. Just like @Humanrob said...keep your plants as healthy and dry as possible.
I'm an early riser and check temps and humidity each morning, funny how even on these warmer nights the levels can average upper 70s to 90%. I don't worry too much about high humidity levels in the summer as long as its dry. Though I did run the dehumidifier for a few days on those shitty rainy spells we've had.

slow drawl said:

Cool man... the GH is 10.5' x 14'. Shed style 8.5' to the top and almost 7' on the low. The store bought 100 gal bags I have are killing me, losing 16" of head room. Next season 2 plants and I will sew up my own 200 gal shallow bags.
I've never found any way to manage PM on my squash. Always get it, sometimes early sometimes late. Come our harvest times PM spores are every where. Just like @Humanrob said...keep your plants as healthy and dry as possible.
I'm an early riser and check temps and humidity each morning, funny how even on these warmer nights the levels can average upper 70s to 90%. I don't worry too much about high humidity levels in the summer as long as its dry. Though I did run the dehumidifier for a few days on those shitty rainy spells we've had.

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When you get PM on that squash just manage it with a milk/water mixture foliared on

Vnsmkr said:

When you get PM on that squash just manage it with a milk/water mixture foliared on

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I tried that many years ago and It didn't work for me, but thinking back. I just sprayed them down once and expected some instant reaction. I try to keep the inner leaves trimmed up and open and remove any infected leaves. It is hard to keep at bay when we start getting heavy dews. I'm a bit more patient with every thing these days, I'll give it another go... thanks man.

WV: Jetson said:

@slow drawl no problem: the more pics the merrier! And, how big is your GH?



I know my squash always gets PM, looks like it's finished. It than has another period of new growth, no PM, that carries it through the end. I remember usually thinking I should just yank them, but I wait and get that second round of growth. Maybe I should practice PM management w/ my squash.

It's interesting my perceptions of humidity. We were talking a few posts back about it, comparing Southern Oregon to the valley. I was guessing much lower than it was mid day. Since than I've been checking in the mornings too: 91% for me, 82% for Ashland. I never would have guessed that high for either area. I'm not sure what my point is... something to ponder.

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Yeah, I was the one wondering I think. I asked because I I have seen it towards the end of the season here on others plants. It seems to have had some pretty humid days here last couple of summers. That and I am next to a lot of black berry and I thought I heard someone say it is prone to it. I am NW of Ashland closer to the caves.

Made some decisions yesterday. My initial goal this season was to grow smaller plants in pots, but those plans shifted over time. A series of surprises and adaptations later, I have several plants in the ground and doing well. Can't complain, really. But, I need to keep them short and supported, so I built a 6' x 12' x 3.5' outdoor scrog yesterday. I did this last year to one plant, it served its purpose. The hoop house will attach to the top of its frame come September.

There are always issues, that's life in the chaordic world. The biggest one is that the plant in the middle (a GG#4) is in a pot sitting on a SIP, and the others are in the ground. So the GG was significantly taller and went through some traumatic bending. A couple of branches broke in the process, they are taped up and hopefully will be OK. You can see I threw some scraps of burlap over the GG this morning, its supposed to be 94º out this afternoon, at least for today I want to protect it from the severe heat.



I'll give them a week or so to adjust, and then I'll do another series of trims -- trimming/shaping plants under a scrog is a bit different than for ones that are free standing.

Vnsmkr said:

When you get PM on that squash just manage it with a milk/water mixture foliared on

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I was talking with a wine grape grower the other day, and he said they don't use milk from a carton, they use a milk whey product to keep the PM back. I'm not sure where you get that, but I'm imagining a farm store might have it. I've heard a lot of people suggest milk, and almost as many say it didn't work for them, so I wonder if the key is that its not straight up cow's milk, its specifically milk whey that is needed? Maybe somehow the curdling in making whey makes it function better?

I'm going to stick with GreenCure (potassium bicarbonate) for now.

Humanrob said:

I was talking with a wine grape grower the other day, and he said they don't use milk from a carton, they use a milk whey product to keep the PM back. I'm not sure where you get that, but I'm imagining a farm store might have it. I've heard a lot of people suggest milk, and almost as many say it didn't work for them, so I wonder if the key is that its not straight up cow's milk, its specifically milk whey that is needed? Maybe somehow the curdling in making whey makes it function better?

I'm going to stick with GreenCure (potassium bicarbonate) for now.

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mmm... I think your idea about milk whey is spot on. LABS are supposed to help control PM and pests from my understanding. Lacto-Bacteria is made from milk. Maybe @hyroot can weigh in. He recently gave me a bunch of prepared labs that I have been using on my plants. They seem to love it. I do not have PM problems in my location though.

Humanrob said:

I was talking with a wine grape grower the other day, and he said they don't use milk from a carton, they use a milk whey product to keep the PM back. I'm not sure where you get that, but I'm imagining a farm store might have it. I've heard a lot of people suggest milk, and almost as many say it didn't work for them, so I wonder if the key is that its not straight up cow's milk, its specifically milk whey that is needed? Maybe somehow the curdling in making whey makes it function better?

I'm going to stick with GreenCure (potassium bicarbonate) for now.

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SomeGuy said:

mmm... I think your idea about milk whey is spot on. LABS are supposed to help control PM and pests from my understanding. Lacto-Bacteria is made from milk. Maybe @hyroot can weigh in. He recently gave me a bunch of prepared labs that I have been using on my plants. They seem to love it. I do not have PM problems in my location though.

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whey is the lactobacillus serum made from fermenting rice wash and milk together. recipes and links I posted on the rols no till thread


https://www.rollitup.org/t/recycled-organic-living-soil-rols-and-no-till-thread.636057/page-380

Humanrob said:

I was talking with a wine grape grower the other day, and he said they don't use milk from a carton, they use a milk whey product to keep the PM back. I'm not sure where you get that, but I'm imagining a farm store might have it. I've heard a lot of people suggest milk, and almost as many say it didn't work for them, so I wonder if the key is that its not straight up cow's milk, its specifically milk whey that is needed? Maybe somehow the curdling in making whey makes it function better?

I'm going to stick with GreenCure (potassium bicarbonate) for now.

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I've gone through too many jars of green cure. Screw those little $18 jars, instead find the dry form of 'earth juice' pH down, it's 99.9% KCHO3, and that, mixed with a bit of wetting agent, is exactly what green cure is... I use it all the time to ensure PM stays off of my damn cantaloupes, and a few years back when my cannabis had some PM issues. Actually I developed a pretty decent homemade PM killer. It is....
1TBS potassium bicarbonate
2TBS soy lecithin granules
1TBS coco-wet wetting agent
2tsp essential oil from just about anything... some of my favorites which I've used... ginger, cedar, peppermint, clove, rosemary, thyme- worked the best, lavender, and neem.
4-5 drops liquid hippie soap (dr. bonners is my preferred)
2gal of water

Dissolve lecithin in about 4 cups of luke warm water, don't stir it or nothing or it'll glob up horribly, just let it chill for 10-15 minutes before you mix it in with everything else.
Mix up everything without the oil, then whip in the little bit of oil to emulsify it... The fluid should become cloudy with no discernible oil droplets. Spray your vegetating or early flowering cannabis (can possibly fuck up buds once they start getting meaty) liberally in the early morning, and repeat every other day to knock the shit outta PM. Fuck PM.

Hot damn my girls are getting large

It's looking good, gentlemen; exciting times!

I'm takin' some pics this am of the Swiss Strawberry buds



When I notice she's under worm attack! Son of a Bitch! The blurry spots on the top of the PVC are squished ones; plus I dispatched at least another 6 or 7. Another 'chore' on the list



One of the other kids: eye level, shooting into the belly of the beast, Donkey Kong. Another item on the list is putting up a screen so the street can't see her tops



Typing w/sticky fingers: keep your eyes peeled, folks!

Yea i have noticed waaaay more bud worms and moths this season vs last year in cottage grove.

What kind of moth are they?

There's a white moth I see, and a white butterfly with blue spots thru the wings

papapayne said:

Yea i have noticed waaaay more bud worms and moths this season vs last year in cottage grove.

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I feel like I have a fukn cabbage moth sanctuary in my backyard. It's been a battle with them and some of my vegetables this year. They show no interest in any of the girls right now, but will once they start budding. I spray neem once a week no matter what, until I get my hoop houses up. I'll be putting them over my raised beds with mosquito netting ends here in 3 weeks or so. Works well to keep the moths at bay. One of the reasons I built my GH, don't got no stinkin worms....Hoping for a dry fall for us all.

slow drawl said:

I feel like I have a fukn cabbage moth sanctuary in my backyard. It's been a battle with them and some of my vegetables this year. They show no interest in any of the girls right now, but will once they start budding. I spray neem once a week no matter what, until I get my hoop houses up. I'll be putting them over my raised beds with mosquito netting ends here in 3 weeks or so. Works well to keep the moths at bay. One of the reasons I built my GH, don't got no stinkin worms....Hoping for a dry fall for us all.

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Is that what that white moth is? I have cabbage going to, and they definitely are interested in my kale and lettuce this year. I need to get some bt going!

I'll try and get a better picture (if there are any live ones left!) The white moth is the cabbage moth. But its caterpillar is green, smooth & not striped. Larger than what I was hunting: .5" vs. 1", darker browns, stripes and hairy'ish; if memory serves. Another hit, please...

papapayne said:

Is that what that white moth is? I have cabbage going to, and they definitely are interested in my kale and lettuce this year. I need to get some bt going!

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That's what I call them. I alternate neem, bt, and spinosad at times for the girls. I don't like spraying my greens that I eat daily with anything, it's a slug fest with them. I did use bt on my cauliflower and broccoli, they still tore me up this year.

slow drawl said:

That's what I call them. I alternate neem, bt, and spinosad at times for the girls. I don't like spraying my greens that I eat daily with anything, it's a slug fest with them. I did use bt on my cauliflower and broccoli, they still tore me up this year.

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Yeah never seen any white moths here, but we get those big horned tomato worms and I have seen these big ass brown moths, I posted a picture in my thread way back. They seem to be attracted to my kumquat and kaffir lime plants. I hose them down with cayenne pepper and smash the fck out of them