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Organic no till, probiotic, knf, jadam, vermicomposting, soil mixes, sips etc... Q & A

Discussion in 'Organics' started by hyroot, Oct 11, 2017.

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    hyroot

    hyroot Well-Known Member

    He's talking about cover crops, neem and kelp to feed the worms with not carrots and potatoe skins. Potatoe skins have too much starch to feed the worms
     
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    Lightgreen2k

    Lightgreen2k Well-Known Member

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    Lightgreen2k

    Lightgreen2k Well-Known Member

    @hyroot i can show you the kelp to if you like.8-):rolleyes:
     
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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    @hyroot,

    right on, man. yeah, I was aware of the importance of sourcing from India, and going vegan / organic, but are you saying there can be bad organic neem from India, or what does ahimsa mean to you if you dont mind me clarifying. In other words, why is it more important to get Ahimsa vs organic cold pressed virgin, for example.

    (If you happen to know of a large reputable importer out of India that would be the bees knees, I cannot get from BAS up here and we need to start bringing in much higher bulk amounts that are just as high quality for the compost operation)

    I like the ipm regime, though, definitely best to switch it up, ya man, agreed. You spray neem and such during full on flower and all, or stop at 2 weeks in or so and switch to bio predators?

    speaking of which I'm a fan of 'em as well.. although some go into diapause during flower, so one just has to pick and choose the right type based on whether one is in veg or flower, or running high or low humidity.

    that said, what are your thoughts on insect frass, you ever try any and compare a few kinds by chance?

    Thanks for the replies..
    Have a good weekend, dude
     
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    RandomHero8913

    RandomHero8913 Well-Known Member

    There can be bad Organic anything. Ahimsa has been a reputable resource for sometime now.
    Chat it up with the neem lady and see if she can help you out.

    Contact: Usha Rao
    The Ahimsa Alternative, Inc.
    Bloomington, MN 55437
    952-943-9449 Tel
    877-873-6336 Toll Free
    866-211-5460 Toll Free Fax
    [email protected]
     
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    DonTesla

    DonTesla Well-Known Member

    Thank you RH, right on, man. Will do!
     
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    GrowGorilla

    GrowGorilla Well-Known Member

    Hey @hyroot. I’m currently growing in organic amended soil and I’m interested in trying out No Till my next round with it. What if anything do I top dress with and how much for 5 Gallon pots?

    Here’s a list of what I currently have in my soil and what I have available to reamend with :
    Fish Meal, Crab Meal, Kelp Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Neem Seed Meal, Oyster Shell Flour, Langbeinite, Insect Frass, Nitrogen Bat Guano, Seabird Guano, Glacial Rock Dust, Garden Gypsum, Rock Phosphate, Biochar and EWC

    Thanks for any info
     
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    hyroot

    hyroot Well-Known Member

    Thats a quite a bit of overkill. You dont need the guano, alfalfa and fish meal with everything else thats in there.

    Just top dress some castings and replant in the pots. Add some worms to your pots too.

    Fyi eventually you should up your pot size. No till works best with large pots. 15 gal minimum unless you're running sips then you can get away with less soil.
     
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    GrowGorilla

    GrowGorilla Well-Known Member

    Will a No Till still work without cover crops? Not really wanting to plant cover crops.
     
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    hyroot

    hyroot Well-Known Member

    Cover / companion crops are not necessary. You can just cover with mulch. Leaves, wood chips, rice hulls, or barley straw

    Cover/ companion crops do provide nitrogen fixation and attract bacteria and fungi via root exudates. Even mycos from the air.
     
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    Greenthumbs256

    Greenthumbs256 Well-Known Member

    What do you mean Octo pot style?
     
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    Chunky Stool

    Chunky Stool Well-Known Member

    Worms will eat potato skins, it just takes longer for them to decompose into a form that is digestible.
     
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    hyroot

    hyroot Well-Known Member

    Worms usually shy away from potato skins. Potato skins also attract unwanted pests.
     
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    hyroot

    hyroot Well-Known Member

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    Chunky Stool

    Chunky Stool Well-Known Member

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    DonBrennon

    DonBrennon Well-Known Member

    Couple of questions for ya, if ya don't mind Mr 'Root...........

    a. How do you apply your ferments with the sips? Are you adding them to the res' or top watering them?


    b. I've got a lacto culture that's been sat in it's brewing vessel for about 4 months(Totally forgot about the fecker). Everything still looks as it should, ie separate liquid and curds, and it doesn't look to be contaminated in any way. What do ya reckon? down the pan? or save the liquid and feed the curd to the worms?
     
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    hyroot

    hyroot Well-Known Member


    Labs and runoff stain that color on the roots. That plant was already chopped down a couple days before taking that pic. I also let the resi empty before chopping.
     
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    hyroot

    hyroot Well-Known Member


    I add a splash of labs and flower power in the resi once a week or when I refill the resi. Then I top feed flower power once a week and top feed labs once every 10 days.

    I would dump the 4 month curd. The whey probably went bad. Start over. It only takes 2 weeks to separate
     
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    Greenthumbs256

    Greenthumbs256 Well-Known Member

    Here's my big problem Im already using living organics but I reamend my soil every time, most my girls are in between 3 and 7 gal smart pots. I want to do a no till just for 2 mothers. But I may only be able to do them in 10g at most. Can I make it work in 10s
     
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    Greenthumbs256

    Greenthumbs256 Well-Known Member

    And also is this considered hydro or soil I'm very confused with this technique. I see the plant sits in soil but also has a res. Do you ever top water, do you have worms in your pot? Sorry about all the questions I just read some really great info in this thread. And now I'm intrigued to learn more about how you guys do this
     

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