Panama Red -Greenthumb Seeds

You are lucky to have had the original which I missed out on ^^. I almost got some supposed PR back in '77. This stuff is strong and trippy. With no tolerance you will get a visual effect as well as some space and time distortion. I would run several plants if you can. I have one with a bit of noids and the other not. I will run another one next grow just to see if anything else in the line.

Interesting on the taste you had, what years did you smoke it? It was all but gone after the 70's. This has a strong lavender or 'floral-perfume' component to it. The rest of the flavors I can not define. I read a story of Panama Red where he said it tasted of earth, hash and pepper. I have since seen that the story may have been fiction....

Remember the lights I used too. I guess you can use any light but I will not use anything other than high Kelvin white lights. A little uvb from a lizard light in late flower too.

whitebb2727 said:

Some of the best I ever smoked gave me visuals and made my heart race. Been chasing it ever since.

I remember notes if spice, coffee, lavender and sandalwood.

I think I will order a pack.

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Are you fucking kidding me??? Visuals??? If you think that was weed your missing a chromosome!!!

dr gruber has the clone of the pistilate Pr growing
it looks sensational..ithe phot is gorgeous..
wish i was close enough to him to beg for a crumb..
i have a clone of the slightly earlier mre calyxy pheno of the Pr in flower
will upolad a photo when it gets more along

yesum said:

Good to hear Gruber. Pot has helped me a lot with anxiety issues. The sativas more than the hybrids or indica. If you can ride out the rocket blast of a good sativa, you can handle other things in life that are trying. That is my theory of why it works but could be more to it. I had anxiety stuff when I just used the calm hybrids and indicas but now with switching to sativas the anxiety is really not a big concern today. They give speed or ritalin to hyper kids so... I do not smoke all the time or at times of stress, this has a long lasting relief effect that goes beyond being high and continues long after.

My light cycle is 9.5/14.5 so really short lights on. The light I use is a 10,000 Kelvin fluorescent. It is called the 'finisher' but I use it thru out veg and flower. That and the uvb bulb I add for a few days late in flower, shortens flowering up to 20%.

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Ah, that light cycle is probably the way to go.
Your finishing light sounds interesting.

yesum said:

Tried a bit more. Man this is strong stuff. Creeps and then stays around for a long time. One plant seems to have less noids or none really, and the other a bit of that. Hard to say after just a couple times with either. It will change your view of the world big time. I found a couple seeds in the bud I took. Do not remember pollinating it with anything, hermie? Saving the seeds.

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I had a couple really late flower nanners on the first run but they were too late in the process to pollenate anything. I also had one that had less noids.

whitebb2727 said:

Some of the best I ever smoked gave me visuals and made my heart race. Been chasing it ever since.

I remember notes if spice, coffee, lavender and sandalwood.

I think I will order a pack.

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This one seems to have some visuals,and lots of time disfunction.

David Music said:

Are you fucking kidding me??? Visuals??? If you think that was weed your missing a chromosome!!!

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Really? You've never experienced "visuals" with MJ?

OLD MOTHER SATIVA said:

dr gruber has the clone of the pistilate Pr growing
it looks sensational..ithe phot is gorgeous..
wish i was close enough to him to beg for a crumb..
i have a clone of the slightly earlier mre calyxy pheno of the Pr in flower
will upolad a photo when it gets more along

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Im still having troubles uploading photos to this site. I don't have any idea what im doing differently than before.

yesum said:

You are lucky to have had the original which I missed out on ^^. I almost got some supposed PR back in '77. This stuff is strong and trippy. With no tolerance you will get a visual effect as well as some space and time distortion. I would run several plants if you can. I have one with a bit of noids and the other not. I will run another one next grow just to see if anything else in the line.

Interesting on the taste you had, what years did you smoke it? It was all but gone after the 70's. This has a strong lavender or 'floral-perfume' component to it. The rest of the flavors I can not define. I read a story of Panama Red where he said it tasted of earth, hash and pepper. I have since seen that the story may have been fiction....

Remember the lights I used too. I guess you can use any light but I will not use anything other than high Kelvin white lights. A little uvb from a lizard light in late flower too.

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Check out this thread......looks exactly the same to me.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=196211&highlight=panama+1974

yours looks like the puffy one on ic..
will see what mine ends up looking like..
prayers sent to Most High

David Music said:

Are you fucking kidding me??? Visuals??? If you think that was weed your missing a chromosome!!!

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How old are you? I'm guessing a kid.

If you never had visuals you never had the good stuff.

Name the 16+ week strains you have smoked or grown.

Yea. That's what I thought.

How about google it.

Dr Gruber said:

I had a couple really late flower nanners on the first run but they were too late in the process to pollenate anything. I also had one that had less noids.



This one seems to have some visuals,and lots of time disfunction.

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Then I have to get a pack. Yea. Time distortion. I remember that as well.

whitebb2727 said:

How old are you? I'm guessing a kid.

If you never had visuals you never had the good stuff.

Name the 16+ week strains you have smoked or grown.

Yea. That's what I thought.

How about google it.


Then I have to get a pack. Yea. Time distortion. I remember that as well.

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I dont have to have grown a 16+ week strain to know that. There are no cannabanoids that cause visuals. A quick search can easily prove that. Im not saying you didnt have visuals the first time you smoked im just saying it wasnt weed that made it happen, perhaps it was a pesticide thats was sprayed on the plant instead. Anyway im not looking to muck up this journal with arguing. Peace

David Music said:

I dont have to have grown a 16+ week strain to know that. There are no cannabanoids that cause visuals. A quick search can easily prove that. Im not saying you didnt have visuals the first time you smoked im just saying it wasnt weed that made it happen, perhaps it was a pesticide thats was sprayed on the plant instead. Anyway im not looking to muck up this journal with arguing. Peace

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Nope. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Not only did say it but so have other old timers that have smoked the old long flowering sativas.

Again, unless you have personally smoked or grown those old landrace 16+ week strains you don't know what you are talking about.

Most people now don't have any idea what those old pure sativas are like. For a couple reasons. First not many people want or are able to grow a strain that flowers into December. Second is that those lure sativas are worth it for cash cropping. They don't yeild as well. Indica has been bred into everything to increase yield and reduce flowering time.

If you have never had visuals then you never had the good stuff. So quit acting like you know.

I'm not talking full on hallucinations. I'm talking about colors being more vivid and tracers. Things like moving your hand and seeing it blur like a line of fingers.

I know it to be the weed. I've had it happen a few times from pot I've grown completely organic and no pesticides.

If you don't want to much it up then don't. More than one person has said they expierenced visuals.

Order some landrace sativas and try them then come back and say that.

That shit happens a lot on here. "I read" or "do a search". That don't count. Maybe try it out.

David Music said:

I dont have to have grown a 16+ week strain to know that. There are no cannabanoids that cause visuals. A quick search can easily prove that. Im not saying you didnt have visuals the first time you smoked im just saying it wasnt weed that made it happen, perhaps it was a pesticide thats was sprayed on the plant instead. Anyway im not looking to muck up this journal with arguing. Peace

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Here is some food for thought.

High times isn't always the best source. In this article they do list some names and such to allow follow up searches.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/hightimes.com/culture/how-cannabis-could-be-a-psychedelic-and-why-thats-good/amp/

This one does have a bit of reefer madness to it but says the same thing. Yes. Cannabis is a psychedelic but not a hallucinogen.

http://psychedelics.com/thc/is-marijuana-a-psychedelic/

This one talks about cannabinoids like thc and thcv. Thcv is psychedelic and found in sativas. The reason sativas can cause visuals is because they are high in thc and may contain thcv. They also lack or have lower amounts of other cannabinoids like cbd that counter act the effects of thc and thcv.

https://cannabis.net/blog/medical/the-8-cannabinoids-that-interact-with-your-body-the-most


This one again talks about cannabinoids and list thcv as psychedelic.

http://maryjanesdiary.com/potent-cannabinoids-besides-thc/



Cannabis affects people different ways. Some peolpe completely wig out on it.

Some have never experienced the high being discussed here. Some have and are clearly looking for it.

I don't see it as a waste of time or a detriment to this thread.

David Music said:

...There are no cannabanoids that cause visuals.

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back in the 70s, after smoking a J during summer break, the effects would come and go in waves. I watched the palm trees outside my window bend sideways like in a severe wind storm when the wave hit, and the palm trees go back to normal as the wave receded. Not sure what sativa strain it was I smoked, but definitely caused some visuals.

whitebb2727 said:

Here is some food for thought.

High times isn't always the best source. In this article they do list some names and such to allow follow up searches.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/hightimes.com/culture/how-cannabis-could-be-a-psychedelic-and-why-thats-good/amp/

This one does have a bit of reefer madness to it but says the same thing. Yes. Cannabis is a psychedelic but not a hallucinogen.

http://psychedelics.com/thc/is-marijuana-a-psychedelic/

This one talks about cannabinoids like thc and thcv. Thcv is psychedelic and found in sativas. The reason sativas can cause visuals is because they are high in thc and may contain thcv. They also lack or have lower amounts of other cannabinoids like cbd that counter act the effects of thc and thcv.

https://cannabis.net/blog/medical/the-8-cannabinoids-that-interact-with-your-body-the-most
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This one again talks about cannabinoids and list thcv as psychedelic.

http://maryjanesdiary.com/potent-cannabinoids-besides-thc/
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Cannabis affects people different ways. Some peolpe completely wig out on it.

Some have never experienced the high being discussed here. Some have and are clearly looking for it.

I don't see it as a waste of time or a detriment to this thread.

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Look i understand that maybe if stoned enough and looked at certain patterns long enough you may see a optical illusion easier but if you have ever taken lsd or a high dose of shrooms you would know that real visuals are not possible from weed. Also after reading some of your links posted i found i have smoked some of these strains that supposedly can cause hallucinogenic effects and i have never even come close to having a real visual.

[QUOTE="whitebb2727, post: 14313069, member: 749089"... Things like moving your hand and seeing it blur like a line of fingers.[/QUOTE]

word. I've seen a series of visual echos. Another visual was watching the instrumentals in Hotel California expressed as color. Fond memories...

David Music said:

Look i understand that maybe if stoned enough and looked at certain patterns long enough you may see a optical illusion easier but if you have ever taken lsd or a high dose of shrooms you would know that real visuals are not possible from weed. Also after reading some of your links posted i found i have smoked some of these strains that supposedly can cause hallucinogenic effects and i have never even come close to having a real visual.

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Dude just stop. I've done lsd, shrooms and other hallucingens.

You can have visuals from cannabis. Just because you haven't doesn't mean you can't. It may just be you can't. Even if you smoked the strains than can cause it may be you brain chemistry.

Just stop.

Google closed eye and open eye visuals with cannabis. Plenty of people experience it.

whitebb2727 said:

Dude just stop. I've done lsd, shrooms and other hallucingens.

You can have visuals from cannabis. Just because you haven't doesn't mean you can't. It may just be you can't. Even if you smoked the strains than can cause it may be you brain chemistry.

Just stop.

Google closed eye and open eye visuals with cannabis. Plenty of people experience it.

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They dont qualify as real Hallucinations. Its just a visual distortion if your sober and stare at a white textured wall it appears to move but your not having visuals. Its just a distortion because your brain is bored.
https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-about-cannabis-and-hallucinations-n618

whitebb2727 said:

Dude just stop. I've done lsd, shrooms and other hallucingens.

You can have visuals from cannabis. Just because you haven't doesn't mean you can't. It may just be you can't. Even if you smoked the strains than can cause it may be you brain chemistry.

Just stop.

Google closed eye and open eye visuals with cannabis. Plenty of people experience it.

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he is 21 years old...

how dare you tell him anything, lol....

kids these days....

David Music said:

They dont qualify as real Hallucinations. Its just a visual distortion if your sober and stare at a white textured wall it appears to move but your not having visuals. Its just a distortion because your brain is bored.
https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-about-cannabis-and-hallucinations-n618

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Nope. Not what I'm talking about. A bit more than that and less than a full on hallucination. I never said hallucination. I said visuals.

You're wrong.

It's obivous that some of here have experienced it. You have not.

Dont know what else to say.

Sour Wreck said:

he is 21 years old...

how dare you tell him anything, lol....

kids these days....

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Has to be or never had really good pot.

Sour Wreck said:

he is 21 years old...

how dare you tell him anything, lol....

kids these days....

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My age has nothing to do with the effects of cannabanoids.