Photon Fantom PCBs

Palant1791

Palant1791

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Well, I really like the fact that sunboards are 36v. It makes things really easy since we all have the 36v cobs nailed down. No question about that and their price point and no need for dedicated heatsink for under 2100 ma is also very attractive. However, the one issue I see is the size. From what I understand it's needed for the heat dissipation and "proprietary spread". They are 8.9" x 13.94". Quantums are 6.83" x 11.25". Drawing out a diy light definitely leaves you with more options with QB's in my opinion especially in tent situation. Also QB's have more diodes per board (QBs are 288 or 304 vs SB240). This is where I would love to see the data comparison between the two because intensity and or penetration MAY be a concern.

I don't have any loyalty to either company and I'm more than happy with my CXB3590 and citi builds so don't get me wrong. Robin and Steve have been great for our community and have been putting out hard data for years. Just trying to figure out the real data on these products.
 
The Grand Blunt Wizard

The Grand Blunt Wizard

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Hey everyone! Cool to see a thread about my boards here. The data on these comes from an Ocean Optics Flame Series Spectroradiometer that's been modified to less than .5mn resolution.

So the SunBoards are straight 1 color of diode. I'm making them for people who want all white LEDs, so people prefer that.

For the last 3 year solid I've been experimenting with the effects of different light spectrums on plants. (since I graduated college) I had different color lights in my R&D area and one area would always outproduce the others, this was the spectrum measured around


I decided that instead of adding mono LED's and more circuits I'd just stick them on one PCB. This is the Fusion Board spectrum, PPFD, and energy data at 6" running 2.1a. What I didn't expect was the CRI values: R9 of 96.6 and Ra of 92.9. Along with high CRI values, the Fusion Boards boast some pretty impressive PPFD numbers. (taken inside a 4x4 tent)Fusion Board Spectrum.jpg 18 inch fusion PPFD.jpgThe other pictures attached are the Wavy Board Spectrum,IMG_3008.JPG which has the same 660nm peak as well as a double peak in the blue range, the white LED's peak around 440 and the blues I added are 460nm; and the other picture is the same cut of Platinum Cookies grown with the same nutrients in the same size pots under different light spectrums, so I've done my research over the years on how different light spectrums affect plants.


All of them are 36V or slightly less, so all 36V COB wiring schemes apply to my whole line of Fantom Boards.
 

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astonehead

astonehead

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@The Grand Blunt Wizard I dmed you on Insta you shipping to the uk?
I'd like to add a fusion board or 2 to my setup, currently I have 9 cxb 3590 3k 90cri with 2 Samsung boards with 304 lm561c on each at 50w each. I'm thinking I need some red. Maybe I just need some of your boards. But ideally I'm thinking to replace the middle cob for a wavy/fusion board to get rid of the hotspot in the middle?

But then I grow 4 equally spaced in a 4x4, I also have access to another 2 Samsung boards so could run them at 40 w each 1 over each plant with 2 cobs.
Which boards would you recommend?
This is a veg/flower fixture.
Fixture right nowIMG_2530.JPG
 
wietefras

wietefras

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Isn't 18" a bit too high?

It also looks like you had the front of the tent open. Seeing how your measurements there are a lot lower than at the back of the tent. So I'd estimate 750PPFD average if you close the tent (or just mirror the back measurements). Then the darkest areas would be fine with 80% of that, which is about 600 PPFD and you're now still at 660-670PPFD in the corners. Drop it down by 5" and you'd probably still have good uniformity, but on average more light.
 
BuddyColas

BuddyColas

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The Grand Blunt Wizard said:
Hey everyone! Cool to see a thread about my boards here. The data on these comes from an Ocean Optics Flame Series Spectroradiometer that's been modified to less than .5mn resolution.

So the SunBoards are straight 1 color of diode. I'm making them for people who want all white LEDs, so people prefer that.

For the last 3 year solid I've been experimenting with the effects of different light spectrums on plants. (since I graduated college) I had different color lights in my R&D area and one area would always outproduce the others, this was the spectrum measured around


I decided that instead of adding mono LED's and more circuits I'd just stick them on one PCB. This is the Fusion Board spectrum, PPFD, and energy data at 12" running 2.1a. What I didn't expect was the CRI values: R9 of 96.6 ad Ra of 92.9. Along with high CRI values, the Fusion Boards boast some pretty impressive PPFD numbers. (taken inside a 4x4 tent)View attachment 3978537 View attachment 3978552The other pictures attached are the Wavy Board Spectrum,View attachment 3978550 which has the same 660nm peak as well as a double peak in the blue range, the white LED's peak around 440 and the blues I added are 460nm; and the other picture is the same cut of Platinum Cookies grown with the same nutrients in the same size pots under different light spectrums, so I've done my research over the years on how different light spectrums affect plants.


All of them are 36V or slightly less, so all 36V COB wiring schemes apply to my whole line of Fantom Boards.
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How many individual boards is the 600w Fusion board for a 4x4? Thanks.
 
The Grand Blunt Wizard

The Grand Blunt Wizard

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wietefras said:
Isn't 18" a bit too high?

It also looks like you had the front of the tent open. Seeing how your measurements there are a lot lower than at the back of the tent. So I'd estimate 750PPFD average if you close the tent (or just mirror the back measurements). Then the darkest areas would be fine with 80% of that, which is about 600 PPFD and you're now still at 660-670PPFD in the corners. Drop it down by 5" and you'd probably still have good uniformity, but on average more light.
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I keep the tops of my plants 6-12" from my lights but I saw from other companies that it was pretty common to post a PPFD chart at 18" so I thought I'd see how my fixture stacked up. And you're right bout the front door of the tent being open, I assumed I had the fixture a little skewed but that makes more sense because I measured the the height probably half a dozen times.
 
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The Grand Blunt Wizard

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BuddyColas said:
How many individual boards is the 600w Fusion board for a 4x4? Thanks.
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Mine is 8 Fusion Boards. It's also enormous at 36"x40" - The white one was the first one I built, back when I only had 4000k SunBoards. I used a MeanWell HLG-320-1050 to power all 8 boars in series. It did great in veg. This was back when the S5 flux bin best you could get. Now I use the same configuration but with Fusion Boards and twice the power. .

I just finished a 30" x 30" panel with 6 Wavy Boards and 2 Meanwell HLG-240-48's that I had laying around. I made a remote mount for my drivers and I'm thinking it will cover a 4x4.
 

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stardustsailor

stardustsailor

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They seem as pretty legit designs with high quality materials.
What needs to be reworked is the different color LEDs arrangement /placement on the Wavy Boards
& Fusion boards.

Creating "zones" of the same color is not exactly the best way to create an "even" -regarding wavelengths -incident radiation.
From the other hand ,I can understand .
Way to tricky to design the pcb tracing ,in order to achieve a more "even" mixture
of wavelengths across the pcb.

Just my $0.02

Cheers.
:peace:
 
Palant1791

Palant1791

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Alright, so what's the ppfd of the new 6 fusion board 30"x30" design in a 4x4 tent at 18"? I would appreciate the data on that. Which color temp would you suggest for a combo of Flowering and Vegging? Also, what's the efficacy of the design? If I'm pulling 500 watts from the wall, I would like to see the data on how much of that I'm actually using as photons in umol/j.
 
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welight

welight

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stardustsailor said:
They seem as pretty legit designs with high quality materials.
What needs to be reworked is the different color LEDs arrangement /placement on the Wavy Boards
& Fusion boards.

Creating "zones" of the same color is not exactly the best way to create an "even" -regarding wavelengths -incident radiation.
From the other hand ,I can understand .
Way to tricky to design the pcb tracing ,in order to achieve a more "even" mixture
of wavelengths across the pcb.

Just my $0.02

Cheers.
:peace:
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one of the design aspects we considered on the new Sol-Skin boards

Cheers
Mark
 
The Grand Blunt Wizard

The Grand Blunt Wizard

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stardustsailor said:
They seem as pretty legit designs with high quality materials.
What needs to be reworked is the different color LEDs arrangement /placement on the Wavy Boards
& Fusion boards.

Creating "zones" of the same color is not exactly the best way to create an "even" -regarding wavelengths -incident radiation.
From the other hand ,I can understand .
Way to tricky to design the pcb tracing ,in order to achieve a more "even" mixture
of wavelengths across the pcb.

Just my $0.02

Cheers.
:peace:
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I agree, I wish it was cheaper to mix the diodes up so there's a more even spread of all the wavelengths. It's really only an issue if your plants are 6" or closer, at 12" the spectral graph doesn't change too much as you move the probe around under the board. On the Wavy boards I put the blue in the middle because it inhibits vertical stretch and the reds on the outside because they encourage vertical growth. I know it's not ideal but sometimes we have to make small sacrifices in quality for huge gains in value.

For instance, I looked at replacing the 40 red diodes with Osram 660 reds, well that doubled the price of the boards. So I did the math and 40 out of 240 diodes gaining 20% efficiency only turned out to to be a 4% increase in total efficiency. I declined switching to the Osram diodes.
 
coreywebster

coreywebster

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Nice to see you on here @The Grand Blunt Wizard , I have to admit I was sceptical of your boards when they were first brought into conversation. But that was mainly due to the guy who was raving on about them in every thread. He kind of came across as a Chinese sales guy. We are a sceptical bunch sometimes.. must be the weed!!
Be good to see some full grow journals on here from other members. I'm sure there will be soon enough.
All the best. :bigjoint:
 
dabby duck

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coreywebster said:
Nice to see you on here @The Grand Blunt Wizard , I have to admit I was sceptical of your boards when they were first brought into conversation. But that was mainly due to the guy who was raving on about them in every thread. He kind of came across as a Chinese sales guy. We are a sceptical bunch sometimes.. must be the weed!!
Be good to see some full grow journals on here from other members. I'm sure there will be soon enough.
All the best. :bigjoint:
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Did data enter the argument? Thats all that matters. Not he said/she said.....
 
The Grand Blunt Wizard

The Grand Blunt Wizard

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coreywebster said:
Nice to see you on here @The Grand Blunt Wizard , I have to admit I was sceptical of your boards when they were first brought into conversation. But that was mainly due to the guy who was raving on about them in every thread. He kind of came across as a Chinese sales guy. We are a sceptical bunch sometimes.. must be the weed!!
Be good to see some full grow journals on here from other members. I'm sure there will be soon enough.
All the best. :bigjoint:
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That's weird, got a link to that guy? I have no idea who that would be.
 
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VegasWinner

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The Grand Blunt Wizard said:
That's weird, got a link to that guy? I have no idea who that would be.
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His name is @REALSTYLES . I am the one that told him about your boards. I am a designer and saw your boards. Very interesting. I recently designed a 384 diode 2 channel board called the GrowGreen. I also design led controllers for grow lights and stage lights. Nice to meet you nice boards love the colors.
namaste
 
jonsnow399

jonsnow399

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stardustsailor said:
They seem as pretty legit designs with high quality materials.
What needs to be reworked is the different color LEDs arrangement /placement on the Wavy Boards
& Fusion boards.

Creating "zones" of the same color is not exactly the best way to create an "even" -regarding wavelengths -incident radiation.
From the other hand ,I can understand .
Way to tricky to design the pcb tracing ,in order to achieve a more "even" mixture
of wavelengths across the pcb.

Just my $0.02

Cheers.
:peace:
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The new cree's are supposed to make color mixing easier.
 
coreywebster

coreywebster

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The Grand Blunt Wizard said:
That's weird, got a link to that guy? I have no idea who that would be.
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It wasn't realstyles. He can form actual sentences.
It was just a new member, to be fair, it was just the way he strung his words together, nothing made much sense.
He could of just been typing fast with auto correct on. So perhaps I was been overly judgemental.
This is why I'm glad your here to tell us the facts. Because as @dabby duck said its the data that's important.
 
The Grand Blunt Wizard

The Grand Blunt Wizard

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coreywebster said:
It wasn't realstyles. He can form actual sentences.
It was just a new member, to be fair, it was just the way he strung his words together, nothing made much sense.
He could of just been typing fast with auto correct on. So perhaps I was been overly judgemental.
This is why I'm glad your here to tell us the facts. Because as @dabby duck said its the data that's important.
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You know, I think I know who this is. He doesn't actually own any of my lights. He's emailed me maybe 3 dozen times asking for a hookup/discount/sponsorship and said he was hyping them on RollItUp and 'was about' to start a youtube channel. I finally even gave in because I was getting 2-3 emails a day and gave him a code for 20% off. The next morning I woke up to angry emails because he lost the code (in an email, I could still see it) and he felt that he could do more good for my marketing getting a measly 20% discount.

Nevermind that I have no idea who this guy is, he can barely form a sentence, and the subject of the first email he sent to me was "I bet you don't email back for shit"

I don't know why I even entertained that guy.
 
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