Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is

dr.skunkfunk

Active Member
ooooowe praise magick jeezuz....

its dracula fucking mrs santa claus while sucking the blood of rudolph the red nose rain deer who is riding on a wild boar wearing a eagle for a hat screamin hells bells santa is coming for you.merry crustmas pass me a bong hit ...... i magine the was no religion no war ... ya know the song ........blah blah blah awesomer than hell
 

mindphuk

Well-Known Member
I believe that religion at this point makes far more since then science as far as how everything got here.Science will never explain how nothing became how it is today. Im sorry but A greater power just makes more since no matter how silly a religion might sound. Every single theory out there all comes back to that one ? which will never be answered by science.Also the thing about a religion such as Judaism it is far more different than other religions. Earlier in this thread someone said that of course an ancient that was frightened would turn to the stars as something to worship,,,,,something they could not understand. But being a Jew would be worshiping a greater power which is unseen.
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rookie 420

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Let us remind ourselves that our greatest forefathers had deeply rooted religious beliefs and practices. Look at it from both sides instead of completely dismissing the possitive attributes that religion possesses. To not agree that both points of view have possitive applications is just ignorant. You don't think that "Thou Shall Not Kill" has saved any lives, or are you saying it has cost more than it has saved?
 

mindphuk

Well-Known Member
Let us remind ourselves that our greatest forefathers had deeply rooted religious beliefs and practices. Look at it from both sides instead of completely dismissing the possitive attributes that religion possesses. To not agree that both points of view have possitive applications is just ignorant. You don't think that "Thou Shall Not Kill" has saved any lives, or are you saying it has cost more than it has saved?
First of all, the commandment is 'You will not murder,' not kill. Second of all, just because it is considered a biblical law doesn't mean it originated with the bible or religion. Do you think the Ionians, Egyptians and other pre-biblical cultures, including pre-Exodus Hebrews didn't have laws against murder and theft? Morality comes from culture, not religion. How many of the Ten Commandments coincide with our current laws?

Which forefathers are you referring to? Do you know that many of the Founding Fathers of our country were not Christian? Their values and laws came from many sources including the Greek and Romans, The Code of Hammurabi, the Magna Carta, English Common Law. They were men of reason and of the Enlightenment. Some of these men may have been very spiritual and believed in a divine creator but not necessarily religious.

Let's look at all of the positives that religion gives us: The Inquisition, The Crusades, witch hunts decimating the populations of many towns across Europe, the Thirty Years War; Muslims vs everyone in Afghanistan, India, Indonesia, Kashmir, Macedonia, Thailand, Cyprus, etc.; Catholics vs. Protestants in Northern Ireland, Rwanda genocides, the war in Bosnia-Herzegovina, The Buddhists vs. Hindus in Sri Lanka, Suni vs. Shi'ite Muslims everywhere, Sudanese civil war, Everyone against Israel... need I go on?

Please, tell me the positive attributes of religion that balances out all of the killing in the name of religion.
 
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PadawanBater

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Let us remind ourselves that our greatest forefathers had deeply rooted religious beliefs and practices. Look at it from both sides instead of completely dismissing the possitive attributes that religion possesses. To not agree that both points of view have possitive applications is just ignorant. You don't think that "Thou Shall Not Kill" has saved any lives, or are you saying it has cost more than it has saved?

"Thou Shall Not Kill" is derived from our sense of empathy.

Give me one thing religion is required to have. In other words, one thing you cannot get without believing in some kind of religion?

Most believers claim it's morality - one cannot be moral without believing in God... don't be like most believers.
 

mindphuk

Well-Known Member
"Thou Shall Not Kill" is derived from our sense of empathy.

Give me one thing religion is required to have. In other words, one thing you cannot get without believing in some kind of religion?

Most believers claim it's morality - one cannot be moral without believing in God... don't be like most believers.
Not just empathy but there is an evolutionary advantage to living in a peaceful and cooperative society. Piranha don't eat each other during a feeding frenzy, I guess they have a bible with a moral code too. LOL
 

CrackerJax

New Member
The archaeological findings of the past suggests that WAR started once we became a agriculturally based society.

When man was strictly a hunter gatherer species, war was unknown.

Farming kills.
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
Not just empathy but there is an evolutionary advantage to living in a peaceful and cooperative society. Piranha don't eat each other during a feeding frenzy, I guess they have a bible with a moral code too. LOL


did you guys know that in more violent societies there are more left handed people per capita than in less violent societies


i did some research cuz i be left handed and turns out since so many peeps are right handed that we lefties have a higher survivabilty in a battle to the death:hump:


i guess righties are more apt at fighting other right handed people while left handed people know how to fight both cuz they are also surounded by righties


anyway your post reminded me of this while i was reading it and smoking some fresh finger hash:hump:


thats right just had a lil harvest festival boys chopped down 3 trees,:weed:


anyway carry on
 

tebor

Well-Known Member
The archaeological findings of the past suggests that WAR started once we became a agriculturally based society.

When man was strictly a hunter gatherer species, war was unknown.

Farming kills.
Thats the time that people started thinking of land as a possession.

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CrackerJax

New Member
Exactly, hunter gatherers didn't need to war. war over what? Like fighting over raindrops, food was everywhere. But once the food was tied to specific locations ... BAM!! ... hostilities have been with us ever since.

Blame the vegetarians.... it's all their fault!!
 

mindphuk

Well-Known Member
Exactly, hunter gatherers didn't need to war. war over what? Like fighting over raindrops, food was everywhere. But once the food was tied to specific locations ... BAM!! ... hostilities have been with us ever since.

Blame the vegetarians.... it's all their fault!!
Is there evidence for this? I wouldn't say war, since hunter-gatherer tribes were too small to be considered armies, but I would consider that some would attack other tribes and steal their freshly killed prey.
I do know that the ice age forced many groups to move south toward the sea and adapt by learning to fish. South Africa has some really nice finds in caves there.
 

morgentaler

Well-Known Member
I wouldn't consider the Greeks of old weak-minded.
But the galaxy. one made me llaugh
The people you would consider historically great greeks weren't necessarily believers either.

Atheism is not new :)

The Roman Seneca the Younger had some really great things to say about religion. Namely that it was a big scam for controlling the people :) And the Romans looked to the greeks for philosophy, intellectual pursuits, and religious influence.
 

Woodstock.Hippie

New Member
Historically great Greeks did not believe in Zeus?

How does trusting a higher power of our own understanding weaken our minds?

We believe that if anything, our attempts at understanding our spiritual nature and limits of knowledge enhance our minds much more than merely dismissing the spiritual portion of humansity merely because one does not believe in things they cannot see.

I believe what I feel.
 

morgentaler

Well-Known Member
Historically great Greeks did not believe in gods?
I wish you'd actually take part in conversations instead of doing that sad "I must pose everything I say as a question" or the 'We believe' followed by nonsense.

Anyway, if you read what I said it can't be assumed that every Greek intellectual believed in Zeus as a counter to the weak minded claim.
 
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PadawanBater

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I wish you'd actually take part in conversations instead of doing that sad "I must pose everything I say as a question" or the 'We believe' followed by nonsense.

Anyway, if you read what I said it can't be assumed that every Greek intellectual believed in Zeus as a counter to the weak minded claim.
 
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