Question about Blue Dream genetics

well i got 5 seeds from alot of blue dream we harvested popped them and got 2 diff phenos the sativa one and the indica..so explain this?

I grow mainly blue dream and the leaf size will vary on lighting ,nutes who knows whatever else...lol but should be a slim sativa looking...This variaty of the Blue Dream is a Favorite in these parts...
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UnderCoverAgentOrange said:

well i got 5 seeds from alot of blue dream we harvested popped them and got 2 diff phenos the sativa one and the indica..so explain this?

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they were s1s or unknown crosses. different phenos are common.

UnderCoverAgentOrange said:

well i got 5 seeds from alot of blue dream we harvested popped them and got 2 diff phenos the sativa one and the indica..so explain this?

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Can't you get a high school biology teacher to explain it instead? Your poor education is not our problem.

clever ya derelict...and i know your going to be a smartass mr. know it all so here is the definition of it for ya fuckface www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=derelict
have a nice day being an internet badass witty motherfucker

Any chance of BD to be available in the seed form any time soon?

So if i found a single seed in a qp of some legit top shelf bd what does that make it?
From the info ive gathered a genetic copy of the plant in seed form. A very plausible answer to how the same exact geneticss can be found across the country.

I fucking love this strain 10/11 week flowet for me running soil and ff all the way. Hits u in 4 seconds after the first inhale. Lovvvve it

NW2AZ said:

So if i found a single seed in a qp of some legit top shelf bd what does that make it?
From the info ive gathered a genetic copy of the plant in seed form. A very plausible answer to how the same exact geneticss can be found across the country.

I fucking love this strain 10/11 week flowet for me running soil and ff all the way. Hits u in 4 seconds after the first inhale. Lovvvve it

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It makes it not blue dream, that's what it makes it. It is either a Blue Dream x unknown or Blue Dream S1, but not Blue Dream.

For what its worth, S1's may be trendy, but making them from two clones of the same plant will result in a loss of vigor among most of the seeds due to an abundance of recessive genetics that have negative effects on the growth of the plant.

Plants, like people, have pairs of chromosomes. Whether, they are dominant, codominant, or recessive depends on the specific trait. For instance, just because two blond people have a kid, does not mean the kid will be blond. It both of the parents posess the recessive gene that causes red hair, and pass it on to the kid, then the kid will have red hair even though neither of his parents did. This applies just as well to plants. With a selfed plant, you are pairing it not only with a match of its dominant genes, but its recessive and codominants as well. All of this adds up to the fact that if you S1 a strain, you might get several plants that resemble the parent in many ways, but getting an exact replica is like winning the genetic lottery. You are much more likely to just get a bunch of mostly similar plants. Which is fine, but that doesn't make them the original clone only.

colocowboy said:

You all need to quit throwing the word "strain" around so liberally. An f1 is NOT a "strain" it is a phenotype and not a fully expressed genotype..... geez so much misinformation....

"The genotype–phenotype distinction is drawn in genetics. "Genotype" is an organism's full hereditary information, even if not expressed. "Phenotype" is an organism's actual observed properties, such as morphology, development, or behavior. This distinction is fundamental in the study of inheritance of traits and their evolution."

The idea of a strain implies some form of selective pressure applied as an inbreeding technique to establish traits that are "TRUE BREEDING" e.g. in stable seed form.

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Since the term "strain" doesn't really mean anything in the botanical world, your point is somewhat pointless. The correct term would be variety.

themanwiththeplan said:

S1s cant be anything but mother x mother so what else can you get in the offspring? aunt? cousin? lol. thats also the reason you cant get a male with the seeds of a self'd plant. its virtually impossible to have mother x mother = male.

you learned this in high school science class. remember? and the whole thing about dominant and recessive genes? that applies to seeds too.

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You must have been stoned during high school science class, because there's more to it than that. S1's will always result in variation among offspring, and will rarely result in a genetic replica of the parent's genetic makeup.

FACT: "real" Blue Dream is a single "clone only" cut. The parents are DJ Short Blueberry x Santa Cruz Haze. Any BD from seed or "indica dom" is fake or imitation BD.

PJ Diaz said:

Since the term "strain" doesn't really mean anything in the botanical world, your point is somewhat pointless. The correct term would be variety

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Thanks for trying to take me to school but your wrong, it is a term used in cannabis breeding among professionals and while not in the general horticultural vernacular it is widely accepted. So your attempt to look superior is "pointless" and quoting me like I made up the term shows your lack of intellect on top of lack of basic knowledge on the topic. Try that on someone without an education.

colocowboy said:

You all need to quit throwing the word "strain" around so liberally. An f1 is NOT a "strain" it is a phenotype and not a fully expressed genotype..... geez so much misinformation....

"The genotype–phenotype distinction is drawn in genetics. "Genotype" is an organism's full hereditary information, even if not expressed. "Phenotype" is an organism's actual observed properties, such as morphology, development, or behavior. This distinction is fundamental in the study of inheritance of traits and their evolution."

The idea of a strain implies some form of selective pressure applied as an inbreeding technique to establish traits that are "TRUE BREEDING" e.g. in stable seed form.

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PJ Diaz said:

Since the term "strain" doesn't really mean anything in the botanical world, your point is somewhat pointless. The correct term would be variety.

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colocowboy said:

Thanks for trying to take me to school but your wrong, it is a term used in cannabis breeding among professionals and while not in the general horticultural vernacular it is widely accepted. So your attempt to look superior is "pointless" and quoting me like I made up the term shows your lack of intellect on top of lack of basic knowledge on the topic. Try that on someone without an education.

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I guess you kinda missed the point. Point is, since the term strain is basically a made up work for ganja farmers, you can't sit there and tell growers what they can call a strain, and what they can't call a strain. It's a made up fucking term! We're growing strains of weed here, not strains of viruses.

If you can't accept the term "clone only strain", and know exactly what that means, then please kindly shut the fuck up.

For what it's worth, being educated doesn't necessarily make someone correct. Many "educated" folks don't know what the fuck they're talking about; their education hasn't made them any smarter -- only more pompous. Something to think about..

What about the rare occasion that a plant pushes a seed out without being polinated...? Ive read many acounts of mj plants doing this in nature with no scientific proof. This is known as a phenomenon if im not mistaken.

also couldnt clone only cuts from the original mother of the real deal blue dream grow differntly due to enviromental factors? Which play a large part in what we observe as characteristics; "morphology, development, and behavior"??


Sorry if im uneducated in botany it isnt exactly my major lol
but thats what we have forums for

NW2AZ said:

also couldnt clone only cuts from the original mother of the real deal blue dream grow differntly due to enviromental factors? Which play a large part in what we observe as characteristics; "morphology, development, and behavior"??


Sorry if im uneducated in botany it isnt exactly my major lol
but thats what we have forums for

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Environment has a huge effect on a plant's performance and features, but nothing can escape its genetics. While shape, leaf shape, growing structure, etc. can all be very affected by heat, light levels, light spectrum, etc. things like which terpenes the plant manufactures and the max potency capability are genetic features of the plant. Blue dream grown differently may have more of less taste, smell, and potency, but it will have the same basic chemical profile regardless of how it is grown.

PJ Diaz said:

I guess you kinda missed the point. Point is, since the term strain is basically a made up work for ganja farmers, you can't sit there and tell growers what they can call a strain, and what they can't call a strain. It's a made up fucking term! We're growing strains of weed here, not strains of viruses.

If you can't accept the term "clone only strain", and know exactly what that means, then please kindly shut the fuck up.

For what it's worth, being educated doesn't necessarily make someone correct. Many "educated" folks don't know what the fuck they're talking about; their education hasn't made them any smarter -- only more pompous. Something to think about..

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You could learn from your own statement, it is exactly like a "strain" of bacteria. You make my point, it's sort of like slang but accepted in the sense of horticulture.
You asked for it, it's not "made up" you clearly don't know what your talking about.
Definition:
In biology, a strain is a low-level taxonomic rank used in three related ways.
The term has no official ranking status in botany; the term refers to the collective descendants produced from a common ancestor that share a uniform morphological or physiological character. A strain is a designated group of offspring that are descended from a modified plant, produced by conventional breeding, by biotechnological means, or result from genetic mutation.

While it's clear your not fond of the facts or knowledge I will still humor you with some, the other two forms of biology in which the word strain is used in this taxonomic ranking are in rodents and microbiology. The term has been historically misapplied to "race" in humans....
I won't dignify the rest of your statement.... something to think about......

**.... getting an education is exactly making people smarter and by virtue more correct! That's the whole point!

wyteberrywidow said:

Exactly, ghost og from dr greenthumb s1 was a male and so was og raskal wifi.

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I selfed a plant inside during the winter and popped some of the beans the next spring and got a male.... only one though..... from what I understand it's pretty rare but happens occasionally....... I was planning on using that male in a breeding project just to see what would happen, but unfortunately it was stolen along with several pink kush and master kush clones by some teenage thieves, whom I'm sure killed them all.

colocowboy said:

You could learn from your own statement, it is exactly like a "strain" of bacteria. You make my point, it's sort of like slang but accepted in the sense of horticulture.
You asked for it, it's not "made up" you clearly don't know what your talking about.
Definition:
In biology, a strain is a low-level taxonomic rank used in three related ways.
The term has no official ranking status in botany; the term refers to the collective descendants produced from a common ancestor that share a uniform morphological or physiological character. A strain is a designated group of offspring that are descended from a modified plant, produced by conventional breeding, by biotechnological means, or result from genetic mutation.

While it's clear your not fond of the facts or knowledge I will still humor you with some, the other two forms of biology in which the word strain is used in this taxonomic ranking are in rodents and microbiology. The term has been historically misapplied to "race" in humans....
I won't dignify the rest of your statement.... something to think about......

**.... getting an education is exactly making people smarter and by virtue more correct! That's the whole point!

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ya I'm gonna have to take PJ's side on this one.
a strain would mean that all the plants would be the same which is not true. cannabis is no different than any other plants and with all the corn, blueberry etc. seeds they use terms like heirloom varieties, hybrid varieties etc. but none are called strains. just look around at veggie seeds their all varieties and most all are more stable then most of our cannabis strains as they breed true for certain traits but you will notice some blueberry bushes from the same hybrid variety will taste a little different. their are a few cannabis breeders that actually breed for certain traits but most are just in it for the money but strain is not the correct term.
and where not talking about biology where talking about botany.

What's up with HSO blue dream... is it a dj short blueberry x Santa Cruz haze or just some random blue x haze?

I don't know much about genetics... I assume the dj short x Santa Cruz haze was grown out a bunch of plants pheno hunting. Am I correct that there is one selected phenotype from this cross and one mother bluedream in the whole world in some guy's indoor mom room, and all real bd clones come from this one mother?

bluntmassa1 said:

ya I'm gonna have to take PJ's side on this one.
a strain would mean that all the plants would be the same which is not true. cannabis is no different than any other plants and with all the corn, blueberry etc. seeds they use terms like heirloom varieties, hybrid varieties etc. but none are called strains. just look around at veggie seeds their all varieties and most all are more stable then most of our cannabis strains as they breed true for certain traits but you will notice some blueberry bushes from the same hybrid variety will taste a little different. their are a few cannabis breeders that actually breed for certain traits but most are just in it for the money but strain is not the correct term.
and where not talking about biology where talking about botany.

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It makes no difference if you side up with ignorance, that was a dictionary definition. Your of course entitled to refute the facts! Your making a ton of inferences that your pulling directly out of your ass. lol
Get a book, then read it! hahahahah

colocowboy said:

It makes no difference if you side up with ignorance, that was a dictionary definition. Your of course entitled to refute the facts! Your making a ton of inferences that your pulling directly out of your ass. lol
Get a book, then read it! hahahahah

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why don't you get a book on botany and show me the word strain dumbass. I actually have read books on breeding and botany maybe if you did some reading you wouldn't be a dumb fuck. better yet find me a hybrid seed of any other plant thats called a strain sure they got names but their called varieties not strains buddy.