Right Wing nutjobs show their asses at another townhall (Again).

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what... huh?

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Difficult issue.

On the one hand, I believe until it has a fully formed, functioning brain it is not a person... but it has its own DNA so it is an individual.

It boils down to an issue of morality for me. Is it better to destroy a forming human, or raise an unwanted one?

I am pro (early) choice... and I don't think it is a choice I should be given a voice on.


It would be great if circumstances were different... but they are not. Torture is worse than death... and overwhelmingly disastrous to society.
 
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hanimmal said:
Yeah that I do disagree with completely. Just because they are gay does not mean that they are going to be bad parents. I agree that criminals should not be able to adopt. But to correlate strait people being different than gay people is wrong.

Just because I have sex with my old lady does not mean that I am going to do it in front of a child.

How can having a child forced to stay in a orphanage be better for that kid than being in a household where it will be loved and given every advantage in education that they would ever hope to have. To say that their sexual practices should proclude them from that is the same as saying that it makes them sub standard people.

And that is a direct example of a right that strait people have that gay people do not.
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So then you agree that YOU should not be able to have children as well? After all you are a criminal, you grow and smoke weed, classified as a class 1 narcotic the same as heroine and cocaine. Just because you are classified as a "Criminal" has no bearing on your parental skills does it? So lets not talk about how we should stop "Criminals" from being parents shall we?

I say if you cannot procreate, then you were never meant to have children. period. Lesbians and gays cannot conceive children, therefore they should be denied adoption.

FWIW Gay people ARE different than straight people, that's why they are "GAY".
 
hater hurter

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TheBrutalTruth said:
Your very name is you going off. What is your definition of a hater, and what makes you worthy of judging them worthy of being hurt?

Perhaps you should take a look in the mirror and prepare to deliver yourself unto yourself.
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my name is something that has nothing to do with the discussion. shall we discuss avatars too? how about sigs? how about registration dates and number of posts? as for delivering myself unto me, i don't hate on myself and therefore don't need to protect myself from me.
 
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It is a sexual fetish from which a lifestyle is derived.

A master and slave might love each other very much, and love to adopt a child... but it will provide an imbalanced and unhealthy social perspective... and I believe that they should not be allowed to adopt.

Children need a mother and a father to be balanced, well rounded people... in order to understand how to interact with the opposite sex in a healthy way. A gay marriage will not provide this, and the child will suffer.

Look into prison. Check the number of fatherless children in there. No matter how many aunts, uncles, positive TV role models they have access to... they are maladjusted and a negative draw on society.
 
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what... huh? said:
. No matter how many aunts, uncles, positive TV role models they have access to... they are maladjusted and a negative draw on society.
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Are there any positive TV role models for children to choose from? I don't watch TV so I am not really aware of whats out there. I thought good TV role models died out in the 80's.
 
hanimmal

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So then you agree that YOU should not be able to have children as well? After all you are a criminal, you grow and smoke weed, classified as a class 1 narcotic the same as heroine and cocaine. Just because you are classified as a "Criminal" has no bearing on your parental skills does it? So lets not talk about how we should stop "Criminals" from being parents shall we?

I say if you cannot procreate, then you were never meant to have children. period. Lesbians and gays cannot conceive children, therefore they should be denied adoption.

FWIW Gay people ARE different than straight people, that's why they are "GAY".
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There is some truth to me being a criminal, and although it does not affect my judgement, I would not do it around children until it is legalized.

I feel very strongly that a home that can help the child that is not going to have a better option and stuck into a foster home or stay in an orphanage all their childhood is much better off in a house that can provide and care for them. Regardless of any 'moral' concerns if they are responsible.

So if it a procreation issue, should women that had cancer and had their ovaries removed not be able to adopt?

It is a sexual fetish from which a lifestyle is derived.

A master and slave might love each other very much, and love to adopt a child... but it will provide an imbalanced and unhealthy social perspective... and I believe that they should not be allowed to adopt.
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Any sex can be looked at as a lifestyle. The social perspective is a good point, and I do agree with the children being punished by their schoolmates. That is something that needs to be considered. But the same could be said about a different race adopting. These children will suffer either way, through not being adopted or being adopted by people that are different than them.

Children need a mother and a father to be balanced, well rounded people... in order to understand how to interact with the opposite sex in a healthy way. A gay marriage will not provide this, and the child will suffer.

Look into prison. Check the number of fatherless children in there. No matter how many aunts, uncles, positive TV role models they have access to... they are maladjusted and a negative draw on society.
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My mom died when I was a baby. I never had any female influences aside from my sister that left when I was 4 and sometimes visiting with my grandmother. And even though some people on this board may not agree I am a very well adjusted person.

People in prison are not a great example there.
 
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NoDrama

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Straight sex is not a lifestyle, its totally natural. You do realize that without it the human being would not exist?
 
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There is some truth to me being a criminal, and although it does not affect my judgement, I would not do it around children until it is legalized.

I feel very strongly that a home that can help the child that is not going to have a better option and stuck into a foster home or stay in an orphanage all their childhood is much better off in a house that can provide and care for them. Regardless of any 'moral' concerns if they are responsible.
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Agreed wholeheartedly!!

So if it a procreation issue, should women that had cancer and had their ovaries removed not be able to adopt?
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Is she gay?

But the same could be said about a different race adopting. These children will suffer either way, through not being adopted or being adopted by people that are different than them.
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School children are Cruel, life is also.


My mom died when I was a baby. I never had any female influences aside from my sister that left when I was 4 and sometimes visiting with my grandmother. And even though some people on this board may not agree I am a very well adjusted person.
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So you are a product of your Father mostly? And if so, congratulate him for doing such a good job in the face of adversity.
 
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The exception does not define the rule.

Prison is the PERFECT place to look for "what goes wrong" and the thing MOST have in common, is a that... not adoption.


It is a microcosm of what is wrong... ya know... outside of the folks who get busted for a plant.
 
natrone23

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what... huh? said:
The exception does not define the rule.

Prison is the PERFECT place to look for "what goes wrong" and the thing MOST have in common, is a that... not adoption.


It is a microcosm of what is wrong... ya know... outside of the folks who get busted for a plant.
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I wonder how many people in prison had no family and lived in orphanges or foster care hopeing someone would adopt them
 
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natrone23 said:
I wonder how many people in prison had no family and lived in orphanges or foster care hopeing someone would adopt them
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I think you just hit on a great idea. I am going to ask the gubbermint for a grant to study just such a statistic if it hasn't been done already. I figure 6 million dollars ought ta cover it for the 2 year study. Just gotta find me a real good grant writer.
 
Huxley

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NoDrama said:
I say if you cannot procreate, then you were never meant to have children. period. Lesbians and gays cannot conceive children, therefore they should be denied adoption.

FWIW Gay people ARE different than straight people, that's why they are "GAY".
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rotfl :wall:
 
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They have statistics on all of that already at the DOJ. There just is not a large enough % of gay adoption children to measure within the system.


It is a particular social experiment I do not wish to conduct... and keep in mind... that is EXACTLY what gay adoption is. A social experiment with children. I find the notion unappealing.
 
PVS

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what... huh? said:
I think there is an important lesson there that you, for whatever reason that is really is not my place to judge, choose not to see.

I am not on any mission to sway anyone's beliefs. It is my position that this is your(pl) mission... and I, like many others, am sick of it. It is very annoying that when I go out and do what I do in the capacity of my job, I am forced to listen to religious rhetoric because I am a captive audience, and because I am in peoples homes in a professional capacity, cannot engage the subject honestly. Every day. "What church do you go to?" "Do you know Jesus?". No I don't want any watchtower pamphlets. Why do you presume you know better than I with less understanding of your own religion?

Where the hell else am I going to discuss MY beliefs? Sorry if it came across as persecuting... it is the inverse that I accuse you(pl) of.

As I said. I never find Christians who are honest enough to explore their OWN beliefs... they just want to demonstrate that MINE are wrong. When you demonstrate some fundamental problems, they just fall into the blind faith thing, and pick and choose what they like from their book... and snub their nose at people who do not believe as they do...


And there is millennia of history of oppression through religion. Athiests and polytheists are particularly despised in ALL monotheistic religions. They are always subject to death. To cry "I'm being oppressed" because someone snickers at the notion of the rather ridiculous story put forth by the bible is very ironic.

Bring up Scientology to a Christian and they find the notion of all evil being caused by negative thetans, which are supposedly spirits of murdered aliens by another evil alien (Xenu) 75 million years ago laughable... and openly mock them.

Bring up that little line I posted and suddenly Christians get all butt hurt. It is ridiculous.


I am not anti-anything. If you believe you are capable of honest exploration, I will discuss anything you like. If you are not, then you are afraid. Period. So don't mock the notion. Your faith is to weak to question your beliefs. Period.
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i was only being a smartass because you basically rebutted by accusing me of being an ignoramus blowing hot air. take a hostile approach in discussion and expect the same in return. respond in a civil manner and you'll likely not find yourself so worked up
anyway, i did post in your thread. if you wish to discuss this or any issue civilly and logically (as in debating with me and not AT me) i'm always game.
if not, just as fine but don't expect me to 'turn the other cheek' at snide comments. at best i just ignore such behavior and move on. you can suggest that i'm 'afraid' to discuss if it makes you feel intellectually superior, but i hope you cease such a trite notion.
 
Huxley

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what... huh? said:
They have statistics on all of that already at the DOJ. There just is not a large enough % of gay adoption children to measure within the system.


It is a particular social experiment I do not wish to conduct... and keep in mind... that is EXACTLY what gay adoption is. A social experiment with children. I find the notion unappealing.
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again with the lol. you lot should spark up and chill.

Nowt wrong with gays bringing up kids as long as they can be good parents.

welcome to the 21st century folks.
 
what... huh?

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Welcome back to the 1st century.


Didn't work out so well for the Greeks.


@ PVS

I am an asshole. You are correct. Vinigar and honey and whatnot. I had just come back from a job where I was bombarded after saying several times I did not wish to engage in a theological debate, and to please just let me do my job. After not being let well enough alone, I engaged. She complained to the FCC (who my contract is with). I take my anger out on strangers so I am not a shit to my wife. For the record I apologize.
 
GreenThumbSucker

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Operation 420 said:
Nice find bro

LMAO, she had a sign that had nothing to do with health care, and the best footage is a camcorder that suspiciously pans down very quickly when the guy walks over. :o

The people cheered because they thought she attacked him. Obama is playing the race card big time.

Obamas people are sloppy though. First the gun guy with the fbi earpiece, now this. :mrgreen:
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She wasn't waving the poster, she had it rolled up, she unrolled it to show to a reporter and a racist republican saw it and ripped it up. He was jailed for it.
 
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