seeds female or male

hey I heard that regular seeds are better to buy than female seeds cause most female seeds hemoprodite si is regular seeds better to buy from the tude cause Ive had my share with female seeds that germ at all

buy what you can afford bro. female seeds are better! the rest im not sure what to say

if you plan on growing a plant from seed to harvest then choose a reputable breeder and go fem'd.


if you plan on growing a mother plant for cloning choose reg seeds as the stress caused by cloning a fem'd seed could trigger hermie tendancies.



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jondamon said:

if you plan on growing a plant from seed to harvest then choose a reputable breeder and go fem'd.


if you plan on growing a mother plant for cloning choose reg seeds as the stress caused by cloning a fem'd seed could trigger hermie tendancies.



J

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I see people do it all the time(clone from fems) and have never seen anyone whose crops started to herm on them because the mother was a femmed seed or a clone of a femmed seed.

coldme said:

hey I heard that regular seeds are better to buy than female seeds cause most female seeds hemoprodite si is regular seeds better to buy from the tude cause Ive had my share with female seeds that germ at all

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That depends on how the breeder made them femmed. One way people do is cause 1 female to hermie and then pollinate another normal female with its pollen, which can be unstable. Another is to intentionally stress your plants by giving them an hour of light in the middle of the 12/12 dark period until you find a true female, a female that cant hermie through natural causes. Now apply some colodial silver or their is another chemical but i cant recall what it is, this will make your true female grow pollen sacks, which you allow to mature and then take the pollen from them to fertilize themselves, making pretty much an exact genetic copy of the mother. That way is really stable.

darkdestruction420 said:

I see people do it all the time(clone from fems) and have never seen anyone whose crops started to herm on them because the mother was a femmed seed or a clone of a femmed seed.

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i see it to. but currently have a NIRVANA PPP that has been topped once to develop 4mains and had approximately 10 clones cut from her during 11weeks veg. she just entered week 4 flowering and is popping NANA's so i opted to try DUTCH MASTER REVERSE for 10 days to see if NANA production stops as there is nothing it can be that has caused it, environment is perfect, pH is bang on, no harsh fans directed at it, EC in vs EC out tested each time, and zero light leaks.

what you are talking about with unstressable mothers here in the UK we call XXX mothers and these clones if you can find any command big money.



J

fem seeds change the genetics just get reg seeds and clone from the best female..and go from there

Properly made fem seeds are just as good as regular seeds.
When made with corroidal silver after a stress-test its as safe as any reg. seed.

You get hermies from reg. seeds too. I just got 2.

jondamon said:

i see it to. but currently have a NIRVANA PPP that has been topped once to develop 4mains and had approximately 10 clones cut from her during 11weeks veg. she just entered week 4 flowering and is popping NANA's so i opted to try DUTCH MASTER REVERSE for 10 days to see if NANA production stops as there is nothing it can be that has caused it, environment is perfect, pH is bang on, no harsh fans directed at it, EC in vs EC out tested each time, and zero light leaks.

what you are talking about with unstressable mothers here in the UK we call XXX mothers and these clones if you can find any command big money.



J

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have you grown out a set of clones from it yet and not had them go hermie at all yet? Like we discussed before femmed seeds that are made the first way or by using colodial silver on an untested female to grow balls to pollinate tself can carry the risk of unstable genetics and hermi due to no fault of your own. so i'd watch the clones real careful, i'd be somewhat surprised if they dont do it too.

I grew 3-4 generations from fem GHS plants.
If the mother was stress-tested and found straight I wouldn't worry about too much.

darkdestruction420 said:

have you grown out a set of clones from it yet and not had them go hermie at all yet? Like we discussed before femmed seeds that are made the first way or by using colodial silver on an untested female to grow balls to pollinate tself can carry the risk of unstable genetics and hermi due to no fault of your own. so i'd watch the clones real careful, i'd be somewhat surprised if they dont do it too.

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got my eye on them.

the section i topped i rooted and currently its on week 3 flowering and have some 6inch clones from the original mom into week1 flowering too to see whether she was pre-dispositioned to go himshe lol No balls on mom just NANA's sprouting from within calyx.



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Regardless of how the feminized seeds are made they will always suffer from inbreeding depression and lack of vigor. Not to mention they create a genetic bottle-neck. Normal seeds are the way to go.

|3laze said:

Regardless of how the feminized seeds are made they will always suffer from inbreeding depression and lack of vigor. Not to mention they create a genetic bottle-neck. Normal seeds are the way to go.

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And why is that?
Genetic-wise, whats the difference between crossing an afgahni male to a haze female and crossing a reverted afghani female with the same genes to the same haze female?
Except the issue with the seeds coming out all female.

|3laze said:

Regardless of how the feminized seeds are made they will always suffer from inbreeding depression and lack of vigor. Not to mention they create a genetic bottle-neck. Normal seeds are the way to go.

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Can you back that up? like show me a from non-femmed seed plant that has more "vigor" than its femmed counterpart......across multiple strains.

wannaquickee said:

fem seeds change the genetics just get reg seeds and clone from the best female..and go from there

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|3laze said:

Regardless of how the feminized seeds are made they will always suffer from inbreeding depression and lack of vigor. Not to mention they create a genetic bottle-neck. Normal seeds are the way to go.

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Not sure where you two came up with this. Myth, myth, myth. I personally like normal seeds. Why keep buying beans when its easy to breed your own? But fems are nice for trying new genetics.

a friend of mine told me my og kush seeds from rp from the tude was hard to germ because they are fem seeds I soaked them for 24 hrs and still nothing a little bit of root came out but not to wher I would plant it I think Ill be going reg seeds next time

cowboylogic said:

Not sure where you two came up with this. Myth, myth, myth. I personally like normal seeds. Why keep buying beans when its easy to breed your own? But fems are nice for trying new genetics.

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McFonz said:

And why is that?
Genetic-wise, whats the difference between crossing an afgahni male to a haze female and crossing a reverted afghani female with the same genes to the same haze female?
Except the issue with the seeds coming out all female.

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It's a basic breeding principals and how biology works. Any bio or breeding text book will confirm what I am saying, look it up yourself. When you cross and afghani females to a haze female, you are creating an out-crossed F1 which will have hybrid vigor. When you create a feminize seed you are inbreeding as the parents are related, or in the case of feminized seeds, identical. When you inbreed, you start to get inbreeding depression which will begin to result in lack of vigor. Having a single parents sexually reproduce itself is absolutely different that having two parents sexually reproduce. Again, this is biology 101, and of us who took bio at even the high school level or understand how sexual reproduction works should know this. Comparing an out-crossed F1 to an inbred feminized line is a logical fallacy - they are not the same thing. When you guy start claiming that feminized seeds are essentially the same as normal seeds, you are basically saying that every single scientist since the days of Mendel who has studied genetics and breeding is completely 100% wrong about how genetics work in regards to biology. I find it highly unlikely that hundreds of thousands of scientists and tens of thousands of studies are wrong, and some random pot growers who don't even understand the most basic principals of genetics are right.

When creating proper fem seeds they can be F1s just as reg seeds. You don't cross a line to itself, those are S1s and usually aren't what you get when you order fem. seeds.
The parents shouldn't be related.

I know the basics of biology as well.

That is a good point but you are still creating a genetic bottle neck when you make feminized seeds and reducing the gene pool. This is an extremely short sighted view to take when breeding.

I think that's the point, by crosing a non related afgani strain to a haze strain you create F1s because of the genetic diversity of the 2 different strains no matter if it as female pollen or male pollen. The bottlenecking wouldn't be a problem unless they were selfed or over many more generations of inbreeding.