Should I be concerned and should I do something?

Budley Doright said:

Well I was thinking between my setup and DWC I was getting the best of both worlds with the 15/15 but maybe it doesn't work that way. The drop in the EC over a week leaves me thinking they want more but it's not showing in the plant. Yup I'll get picks of the whole bush up, yes it's a bush lol. Its like a plant orgy as I meant to cull 2 but they were so damn pretty I didn't, now there is a whole lot happening .

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if you could add oxygen to the table that might work, put some beefy stones all around with a good pump and put the air pump on the opposite schedule, so that when the water pump stops the air pump starts and oxygenates the roots, when the table drains the air pump stops.

Budley Doright said:

Could it be I need to lower flood intervals as I have it doing a 15 on, 15 off to keep temps low in root chamber. I may space that out a bit and see what happens as well. I don't want to do to many things or I'll not know what fixed it lol.

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NOPE! I always ran 15 min floods! I had five intervals (5 floods a lighting period) set to 1 right at lights on. Then evenly space the remaining 4 so that the last one is the 15 min right before lights out. This is a basic accepted norm.

This was true for my 4x4's and the 2x2 tray used to dial in new strains. The 2x2 was the tray that all the GPW busting was in....

MichiganMedGrower said:

I'm sorry I have no personal experience with flood tables or DWC except to help my old caregiver with his. I was a pre-noob then.

But it sure sounds like you are just under your target and one of other growers with experience can chime in about timing and duration.

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You can't "overwater" in a hydro set up.....

Dr. Who said:

NOPE! I always ran 15 min floods! I had five intervals (5 floods a lighting period) set to 1 right at lights on. Then evenly space the remaining 4 so that the last one is the 15 min right before lights out. This is a basic accepted norm.

This was true for my 4x4's and the 2x2 tray used to dial in new strains. The 2x2 was the tray that all the GPW busting was in....




You can't "overwater" in a hydro set up.....

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Didn't think so and I've had same schedule for the last 4 years lol, I'm grasping lol,

Dr. Who said:

NOPE! I always ran 15 min floods! I had five intervals (5 floods a lighting period) set to 1 right at lights on. Then evenly space the remaining 4 so that the last one is the 15 min right before lights out. This is a basic accepted norm.

This was true for my 4x4's and the 2x2 tray used to dial in new strains. The 2x2 was the tray that all the GPW busting was in....




You can't "overwater" in a hydro set up.....

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I didn't know how else to describe flooding too often.

Or how often is too often. Lol

Budley Doright said:

View attachment 3949062 RQS headband, flood and drain suspended netpots. The base of the leaves are curled in but they do flatten out as they get larger. Never seen this happen before. Temps lights on are 73-75, PH is 5.8-6.1ish, relative humidity is 50. Thanks for any insight .

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something not right with that baby,i have seen weird reveg that looks like that looks like leaf count all over the place

dirtWeevil said:

if you could add oxygen to the table that might work, put some beefy stones all around with a good pump and put the air pump on the opposite schedule, so that when the water pump stops the air pump starts and oxygenates the roots, when the table drains the air pump stops.

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The water never stops and is always circulating somewhere. I doubt it's an oxygen issue at all as the roots are a massive white healthy mat. The DO is created by the chiller water (300 gph) dropping into the res 24/7 and the water feeding the chamber actually hits the lid and it's like a hurricane rain storm lol. I do think it's something to do with my nuetrients, I upped the EC this morning on refill and will post pics as well as the new readings. Ya it's weird but the only thing I've added new this run is silica and everything else has been used atleast a year with the base formula being the same for the last 3-4 years . On the note of flooding to much, it's very possible to over flood before the roots are established as I have found but once they are established flood on lol. Here is a pic of the roots at three weeks from germ but I can't get a great pic now because there is a 6x5x4 bush growing out of the tray lol.

thumper60 said:

something not right with that baby,i have seen weird reveg that looks like that looks like leaf count all over the place

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Yes your right it does have some resemblance to reveg but no lights on in the building to leak for 12 hours . I'm wondering if I used vitanimo to far into flower possibly and it caused two plants to go all weird? The other 4 are doing ok and so are the mutants except for the leaf curl. Actually the weird ones seem to have more trichs at this point. I should also mention there is not much odour and although I should, I haven't put in a new charcoal canister yet .

MichiganMedGrower said:

I didn't know how else to describe flooding too often.

Or how often is too often. Lol

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My girlfriends need to smoke a joint often is too often lol.

dirtWeevil said:

if you could add oxygen to the table that might work, put some beefy stones all around with a good pump and put the air pump on the opposite schedule, so that when the water pump stops the air pump starts and oxygenates the roots, when the table drains the air pump stops.

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My roots are not always flooded.

Again guys thanks for all the interest this is why I'm here .

that looks like heat issues to me but not 100% sure, good luck and happy growing.

Yodaweed said:

that looks like heat issues to me but not 100% sure, good luck and happy growing.

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Thanks yoda and if looking at the pics I would have thought that as well but for the last couple of weeks it's been cool here and the shed never gets higher than 73-75. The canopy is no hotter than the ambient air due to exhaust pickups at each hood and air circulating above the canopy. These leaves actually open up and grow normal after a bit as well. I got kinda drunk tonight so I'll get out tomorrow just at lights out and take more pics and readings .

Ok I got some readings .
Humidity is 43%
Temp right at lights out 73
EC is .88 and was 1.3 yesterday right after adding nutrients. I did increase by half as much more than last change but it didn't do shit and pretty much stayed the same, I'll double the dose next refill and maybe add some more nutrients to get it back to atleast 1, thoughts?
PH is at 5.8-9
Res temp is 63 due to being filled yesterday and should be 66 by lights on.
I did prolong the flood off cycle to .5 hr.
The last pic is a somewhat normal plant. Sorry for the shit pics, I'm no photographer lol.

I'm almost thinking, reluctantly mind you, that this bush of plants may need some pruning as well. Any suggestions as to yay or nay and where to start? I've not had good luck when comes to removing leaves but this is getting pretty unruly lol. I was hoping for a shorter grow as I only vegged for 21 days from seed but they stretched 3x their starting height.

Budley Doright said:

I'm almost thinking, reluctantly mind you, that this bush of plants may need some pruning as well. Any suggestions as to yay or nay and where to start? I've not had good luck when comes to removing leaves but this is getting pretty unruly lol. I was hoping for a shorter grow as I only vegged for 21 days from seed but they stretched 3x their starting height.

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I think if they are eating the nutes down that much they are hungry. I can't see in the pics but do the dark thick fans have white tips per chance?

That would indicate a potassium defficiency looming. It could be that the ph is rising too high before you reset your resivour.

Maybe try running at 1.4. The extra nutes should offset the rising ph from the plants eating so much of the available nutes.

MichiganMedGrower said:

I think if they are eating the nutes down that much they are hungry. I can't see in the pics but do the dark thick fans have white tips per chance?

That would indicate a potassium defficiency looming. It could be that the ph is rising too high before you reset your resivour.

Maybe try running at 1.4. The extra nutes should offset the rising ph from the plants eating so much of the available nutes.

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No tip discolouration at all, ive been watching that closely but more for burn. I'm hoping I have about 3 weeks left as this is taking way to long and it's gonna get real busy here in a week or to with my cottage rentals, this was supposed to be done next week lol. I'm still thinking the Vitanimo did something by using it to far into bloom but I found that it eliminated any of the leak blotching I use to get. Today is outdoor plant day and will be putting about 20 out in the back 40 with 10 being auto's for hopefully a midsummer harvest of half decent smoke (not holding my breath over it though lol). I'm not to concerned about what is happening but it would be nice to know why it's happening if possible.

Budley Doright said:

No tip discolouration at all, ive been watching that closely but more for burn. I'm hoping I have about 3 weeks left as this is taking way to long and it's gonna get real busy here in a week or to with my cottage rentals, this was supposed to be done next week lol. I'm still thinking the Vitanimo did something by using it to far into bloom but I found that it eliminated any of the leak blotching I use to get. Today is outdoor plant day and will be putting about 20 out in the back 40 with 10 being auto's for hopefully a midsummer harvest of half decent smoke (not holding my breath over it though lol). I'm not to concerned about what is happening but it would be nice to know why it's happening if possible.

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I'm sorry I can't be of more help. I'm sure someone with more experience than me will be able to more.

I always look to the environment first rather than add any products. That messes up my evaluation of the original problem.

And leaf spots may be calcium deficiency from rising ph as well. Just something I have seen. And it was when I was underfeeding in soil with plenty of calcium.

My plants were looking similar to yours with the twisted younger leaves and plump dark older ones. Then the spots.

It corrected itself after a slightly higher regular feed.

MichiganMedGrower said:

I didn't know how else to describe flooding too often.

Or how often is too often. Lol

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Overfeeding is the result

Dr. Who said:

Overfeeding is the result

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Well that makes good sense.

MichiganMedGrower said:

I'm sorry I can't be of more help. I'm sure someone with more experience than me will be able to more.

I always look to the environment first rather than add any products. That messes up my evaluation of the original problem.

And leaf spots may be calcium deficiency from rising ph as well. Just something I have seen. And it was when I was underfeeding in soil with plenty of calcium.

My plants were looking similar to yours with the twisted younger leaves and plump dark older ones. Then the spots.

It corrected itself after a slightly higher regular feed.

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I think the spots, haven't had any in a few runs, was the result of my water makeup and I was locking out mag and calcium. I had read that using an amino acid product allowed for the plants to uptake the cal mag easier so I tried and it did seem to stop. So much so that I bought a lifetime supply on sale lol. I've always had good luck at 1.2ish EC but these girls must be nute hogs I guess. Thanks for all the suggestions, I've found that taking all the info in and extracting what is relevant for the style is a huge help. Any thoughts Doc on the cause of this? This is the first time with this strain but I'm thinking the flowering was also delayed somewhat and it took 3 weeks for the pistils to actually start to form, that may have been due to early switch to 12/12 as well. It's such a fickle plant lol.