Small shed grow room plans. Need input!

Toaster D said:

The 2' x 2' seedling room. Chillin'

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Yup that's gunna be a upgrade as I go

So I think I have an idea on insulating n stuff. Gunna use pink fluffy stuff I between studs, then put a layer of vapor barrier over that then a layer of the styrofoam insulation board over that....then either white plastic it all off or drywall or plywood ontop then plastic....not sure but know the first 3 layers are a must

Ok so Ima snap a pic of my breaker box, too right corner I have 1 slot left. What kinda breaker would I need too run the 1k off of n still be able too upgrade too 2 600s down the road? Those would e the only things running off it. Rest I'd run too the outside outlet? What y'all think? Then run that romex wire from the new breaker too the dedicated plug for the lights?

This is one place where money spent on professional licensed electrical help is going to help you in the long run for safety and upgrading later.

You don't have to tell the electrician much. Say you've got a HVAC buddy that scored Carrier central air for your home cheap and he says you'll need at least a 30A double throw 220V and 40A would be better. He said he'd do the electrical box work but doesn't want the responsibility. Once the breaker is in he'll do the rest since that's what he's qualified to do and it doesn't jeopardize his insurance. Adjust occupation and device as necessary.

You now have a legitimate excuse for a new high amp breaker installation with service going outside for an indeterminate length as you've not decided where you want the pad for the AC unit poured. AC is a good cover since the initial draw is much greater than the charge needed for running thereafter and needs a beefy breaker for that initial surge. New electric stove/water heater/radiant heat/refrigerator/freezer/clothes dryer/well pump and forced air furnace are good too, but AC is king for high amp draw IIRC.
Do a little research on the subject of your story because it allows you to talk about the subject long enough that it doesn't look like a cover.

Forget about running anything from the outside outlet. Inefficient and dangerous as weather has a much better chance of messing w/ the outdoor outlet when in 24/7 use.
Once the circuit is installed in your box, run the proper grade of exterior romex in a trench to the new building and break the 220V into 2 separate 110V circuits, then out to multiple boxes per circuit and have all your power needs met now and in the future.
Just study AC wiring A LOT before you even consider attempting this. It sounds relatively simple but when slipshod practice can lead to fire or electrocution as a result sometimes it doesn't pay to DIY if you're not knowledgeable enough.
Hell, if you're married tell the electrician you're building a man cave w/ a mini-fridge, kegerator, window AC, and projection TV and have him do the breaker in the box and the split in the building.

choomer said:

This is one place where money spent on professional licensed electrical help is going to help you in the long run for safety and upgrading later.

You don't have to tell the electrician much. Say you've got a HVAC buddy that scored Carrier central air for your home cheap and he says you'll need at least a 30A double throw 220V and 40A would be better. He said he'd do the electrical box work but doesn't want the responsibility. Once the breaker is in he'll do the rest since that's what he's qualified to do and it doesn't jeopardize his insurance. Adjust occupation and device as necessary.

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Solid advice. To answer your question about the breaker if you look at the 20a double breaker at the top it tells you they are a square d breakers

qballizhere said:

Solid advice. To answer your question about the breaker if you look at the 20a double breaker at the top it tells you they are a square d breakers

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Awsome Guys....gives me all the info I need. I'm gunna see about having someone come do it but would rather not....but I like the ac thing lol good cover as you said it draws mad power on the inital start up so works out...Ima see how much one will cost n see about pricing on someone coming too do it. Thanks or the input guys I appreciate it n I'm sure I'll need some more lol

TheDabWiz said:

So I think I have an idea on insulating n stuff. Gunna use pink fluffy stuff I between studs, then put a layer of vapor barrier over that then a layer of the styrofoam insulation board over that....then either white plastic it all off or drywall or plywood ontop then plastic....not sure but know the first 3 layers are a must

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Good idea on the insulation. For your outside layer/walls If you use this DuroFoam Styrofoam (Home Depot) for your Styrofoam insulation, it has one side which is like mylar, about 95% reflectivity. I used it as the inside walls in my flower room. Provides the insulation you need and with the shiny side out you don't need to do anything else.
https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/search.products.html#!p=0&q=durofoam:relevance

GroErr said:

Good idea on the insulation. For your outside layer/walls If you use this DuroFoam Styrofoam (Home Depot) for your Styrofoam insulation, it has one side which is like mylar, about 95% reflectivity. I used it as the inside walls in my flower room. Provides the insulation you need and with the shiny side out you don't need to do anything else.
https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/search.products.html#!p=0&q=durofoam:relevance

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Yeah I thought about using that stuff. I used too use that for my seedlings before they went outside. Crappy wood frame n that stuff shiney side in with a few holes cut for fans n what not n it worked lol just duct taped the corners. This time I wana do it all right so it's a durable Lon lasting thing. I'd like too get a few grows out of it before I have any ideas with the structure itself

TheDabWiz said:

Yeah I thought about using that stuff. I used too use that for my seedlings before they went outside. Crappy wood frame n that stuff shiney side in with a few holes cut for fans n what not n it worked lol just duct taped the corners. This time I wana do it all right so it's a durable Lon lasting thing. I'd like too get a few grows out of it before I have any ideas with the structure itself

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You can screw it in, it holds up fairly well. I've had mine up as the inside walls for 3 years and it's fine. Easy to work with and cheap if it needs replacing. Here's what it looks like in my room after 3 years. I have insulation behind it and a vapour barrier.

Yup that's basically what my little veg box like like lol but a lot less neat! It's looks damn good man!

TheDabWiz said:

Yup that's basically what my little veg box like like lol but a lot less neat! It's looks damn good man!

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Thanks, I ended up converting a veg cabinet with it too after doing the flower room. My driver was initially that I hate painting but I'd use it again

TheDabWiz said:

So I think I have an idea on insulating n stuff. Gunna use pink fluffy stuff I between studs, then put a layer of vapor barrier over that then a layer of the styrofoam insulation board over that....then either white plastic it all off or drywall or plywood ontop then plastic....not sure but know the first 3 layers are a must

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How are you going to get the vapor barrier tight over the fluffy insulation? Perhaps fluffly stuff, plywood/waferboard, Styrofoam blocks, vapor barrier, then panda film or just any solid white plastic you can find.

Looks like its going to be epic TheDabWiz. As a guy who has run 3x 600s for 5 years I would say stick to the 1000w x1 over 2x600
Yes 600s are efficient but you will get deeper canopy penetration with the 1000w. I ran some trees 20years ago on my first ever grow with a 1000 and a nft system, they were tall plants(for my standard) they had great buds all the way down. These days I run 600s and love them but I prune my lower branches a lot and still get some fluff occasionally. 600s are cheaper and they suit what I do now.
That's my 2cents on the subject. Wish you well with your project!

Skip the electrician that's a easy project did it my self last year. You are probably going a larger distance than me but just head to HomeDepot tell them your building and finishing a shed and that you'll be running power equipment in it such as miter saw etc. They will have you buy a small breaker with like 2 spots in it I ran 40 amps out to my shed and I have 2 1000 watt 6 inch cooled hoods in there and also just bought a 8 bulb 4 foot t5. If you run 1 20a you should be fine with your 1000 watt as long as you don't throw too much on it I have both of my 1000 watts on one 20 amp and on the other I have my 1500 watt portable ac/heater and my fans and what not. Depending on whether you want to string the wire from house to shed in the air which is easiest probably or burry it you can get direct burrial which just sits down in the ground by itself or you can run regular wire through flexible conduit that you can burry a foot down as well all up to preference. The people at Home Depot will get you the right wire breaker box and breaker though from there just get on YouTube and look up wiring breaker box it's pretty much as simple as getting the wire set up from home breaker to shed breaker and just putting positive to positive negative to negative and you've got your neutral and wala. From there you just run some wire to the plug ins that you'll have to set up. For insulation I just used regular 2 foot wide insulation and then osb nailed down right over the top of the studs. With this type of insulation I get through a whole Oregon winter with my heater barely helping at all thanks to 1000 watt hoods and in the summer little harder work from the ac because of the sun beating down right on the shed. Anyway you will then have yourself a grow shed with dank kush growing for days, I can better assist you down the road with your project as well not a pro just a diy type of guy.

Oh and another note if your 1000 watt is sealed I would hook your carbon filter and fan straight up to the same ducting and run it straight out an exit whole then use the booster for the intake. This is what I did basically takes hotter air at the top of room and blasts it straight through my light (picks up the lights hot air) and then out the exit and then if your flowering it'll take the smell too of course with it.

Well te 1000 watt is a freebie from a buddy so Ima use it till I get 2 600s.

The vapor barrier question is that I'm gunna have the pink fluff between studs then staple the vapor barrier fast too the 2x4's n the too n bottom of the walls frame. Will go over right like that.

N Ima be going too lowes n see what they say about the breaker n stuff. I know basics of what I'm doing n safety n what not. Just need them too help me did a big enough breaker

Yeah breaker won't be very big at all and the vapor barrier you can do all of that if you wish but if you don't live in a very humid environment the insulation does that job as well. I work at a home improvement store called Jerrys so I got assistance from the electrical deparment here I know lowes and Home Depot have some pretty shitty customer service so if you don't find your answers there let me know. I'd be happy to help. Oh and on the lights get that freebie and just find another one on Craigslist just run 2 1000's you won't be dissappintent compared to 2 600's. Plus then you only need to buy 1 more light. Also think about running 2 20 amps breakers out there like me
It'll leave you some room for anything down the rod as far as ac'S dehumidifiers etc..

Yeah I was thinking about getting 2 single pole 20a breakers n just running 2 wires too 2 different wall plugs in the shed. Should be fine too run the light n a booster fan or 2.
Then the other plug for inline n oculationg fans. N I live in souther Pennsylvania n it gets pretty humid up here in the mountains so ima def do vapor barrier just too be safe

TheDabWiz said:

Yeah I was thinking about getting 2 single pole 20a breakers n just running 2 wires too 2 different wall plugs in the shed. Should be fine too run the light n a booster fan or 2.
Then the other plug for inline n oculationg fans. N I live in souther Pennsylvania n it gets pretty humid up here in the mountains so ima def do vapor barrier just too be safe

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Yeah if you are in the mountains i would definetly take every precaution when it comes to insulation little bit extra time and money but well worth it in your circumstance. And in my shed I did the same 2 20 amp breakers both feeding off to 2 plug ins each. I have both of my 1000 watt hps'S on one 20 amp and then 2 wall mount fans and then on my other breaker I have my inline for exhaust as well as my intake inline and an ac and my 435 watt t5. No electrical problems thus far and this is as far as I want to upgrade. Happy growing and get back to me if you run into any problems.