So who here is growing in true organic living soil?

Nah I wont move anything. Ive put Outdoor plants in ground before and Ive put some out late around start of August in 20 gallons and they had crazy roots at the end of the season. I figure 45 gallons would be ok for the whole season starting at the end of may and harvest hopefully Mid October.

I think It would be cool if I did this no till thing in Smart pots and never did any thing but cut the Stalk away and add some top dressed amendments after the season. Letting the pots stay dormant over winter.

I didn't realize you were outside LoL

sounds perfect

are you guys doing no till indoor? if so you just blu my mind.

Si senor.! I guess 15 gal pot or bigger is the way to go. Worms are key. I am on my third run on some of these buckets and there are guys here who have used batches indoor for up to 3 years (or more?)

Not sure what the record for indoor no-till, but it's some number of years.

I cant find good sources for many of these ingredients. I went to two hydro stores and two nurseries. No clays anywhere I found, and no Glacial rock or Basalt. That shits way too expensive to ship ; unless someones got a good source. I need an estimated 125 lbs of Glacial rock and an estimated 200 lbs of clay I'm sorry to say it looks like I need to find a new mix. Thanks everybody.

If you can't find that stuff look at local rock dusts and local clays. And the hydro company should be able to order you the glacial rock dust to their store so it shouldnt cost you to ship. I know I have to special order mine and its like 40$ for a 50 lb bag.

This mineralization really pays off after a couple of cycles if recycling / no-till.

What if we didn't add any glacial dust or clays..stupid me.

could i work some into the dirt? or is that something that needs to be there from the get go?

also, spring is here, so whats the word on fermentations? dandelion roots? nettles? school me peeps!

I'm not big on FPE, only because if used quickly you can get a lot more from the extraction. Once fermented, you've lost some delicate molecules.

You can absolutely top dress in some minerals. No question.

Rrog said:

I'm not big on FPE, only because if used quickly you can get a lot more from the extraction. Once fermented, you've lost some delicate molecules.

You can absolutely top dress in some minerals. No question.

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Always appreciate the input RroG.

So a 24 hour dandelion root soak or something like that would be more beneficial?

fattiemcnuggins said:

Always appreciate the input RroG.

So a 24 hour dandelion root soak or something like that would be more beneficial?

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I'm not sure about dandelions, but I've looked in to making a comfrey tea and it calls for soaking the leaves for several weeks.

Idk where I saw it I'll try and find the linkitylink

If I'm making a tea, it's to extract something. The plant accelerators you can just add to the soil, compost pile or worm bin. You can make a tea, sure, but I'm lazy.

If I'm making a tea, these days it's just to extract sprouted seed hormones, secondary metabolites and plant enzymes. These will degrade in hours, and so do not survive the fermentation process.

Nothing wrong with long extractions, but I like these powerful growth helpers.

Rrog said:

If I'm making a tea, it's to extract something. The plant accelerators you can just add to the soil, compost pile or worm bin. You can make a tea, sure, but I'm lazy.

If I'm making a tea, these days it's just to extract sprouted seed hormones, secondary metabolites and plant enzymes. These will degrade in hours, and so do not survive the fermentation process.

Nothing wrong with long extractions, but I like these powerful growth helpers.

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I have to do some more reading on this...

Fascinating stuff!

Like Barley sprout tea, or corn seed, alfalfa, etc. Coconuts also

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Like Barley sprout tea, or corn seed, alfalfa, etc. Coconuts also

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My wife dragged me out to a "Vegan Festival" yesterday at the Suburban Showplace and there was a stand set up selling all sorts of stuff including barley. Hindsight being 20/20 I should have grabbed some.

It's all available online cheap

I just tried the corn seed soak and coconut water is part of the regular routine here. 1/4 per gallon now right? Instead of the original 1 cup we thought?

From my notes:

2 tablespoons of seeds (1 oz.)
Soak for 12 hours. Drain that water and throw away. It’s full of growth inhibitors.
Add 1/2 gallon of water to the sprouts for the 48 hour soak.
Strain and use 1 cup of this to 1 gallon of water.

I forget WTF we were discussing where there was an updated dilution. Shit. Lemme PM Cann. The above recipe was Coots original.