SOG coco perpetual grow

MoonShiner: are you going from seed or clone with that strain? Sounds a lot like what I'm looking for but i don't think i want 4 weeks of veg. In fact, I'm trying to go straight to flower from seed with this grow but when i go to clones I'll probably do a 3 week veg (or however long it takes up get to 8 inches from clone)

I'm at work so i got to cut this short

MOON SHINER said:

Limited Edition - CC - Kalasjnikov 47

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Hah thats interesting, that looks like AK47 Serious seeds knockoff, looks like BC bud depot has been doing those lately.

Slightly off topic but i just took a picture of one of the mite infested girls. Just one of the branches, not the kola, lazy trim job and drying for two days. But it sure looks pretty. I'm going to let her sisters go for another couple weeks and get some amber trichomes.

She still looks pretty good.

Bummer about the mites.. Have you considered more agressive mite controls..? Like Avid?

I think I'm just going to keep using azamax for the rest of this grow, then once everything in harvested, I'll bomb the tent, bleach and clean everything.on the next grow I won't get lazy with prevention.

Good news is that it looks like the mites are leaving the bud as it dries. Two days ago you could see them everywhere on the buds and now i only found a few.

GrowerGoneWild said:

Hah thats interesting, that looks like AK47 Serious seeds knockoff, looks like BC bud depot has been doing those lately.

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I thought that a little too at first, but the growth is different than AK. It still may be a knock off but all well, it's a great plant for me

hillbillybuddha said:

MoonShiner: are you going from seed or clone with that strain? Sounds a lot like what I'm looking for but i don't think i want 4 weeks of veg. In fact, I'm trying to go straight to flower from seed with this grow but when i go to clones I'll probably do a 3 week veg (or however long it takes up get to 8 inches from clone)

I'm at work so i got to cut this short

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My mom is from seed, been around for almost a year now. All of my pictures are of clones from her. I have some clones that are 6" tall, have 1 week of veg, and in flower now at day 13. I will keep you posted with their progress as they mature which takes about 10 weeks.

When I flower 8" clones of Kalash they finish about 15" tall with ~ 50 grams a plant dried and cured.

Good looking product you got there, frosty

MOON SHINER said:

The strain in the pictures and what I'm running is called "Kalasjnikov 47" from BC Bud Depot. It's a cross from AK-47 x Skunk #1. It really is an awesome strain, explosive growth, short, stocky, very dense buds, extremely fruity taste and odor. The best part is the high is that of a sativa, It grows like an indica but smokes like a sativa.

From BC Bud Depot website
This section is dedicated to our friends and also to all of those special odds and ends beans - seeds that we have in limited supplies or killer hybrids produced by friends of BC Bud Depot. We list Cultivators Choice in here, founded by Sam the Skunkman who won the first ever Cannabis Cup in history back in 1988 and is the creator of the legendary Skunk #1 strain. Authentic Reeferman Seeds bred by Charles Scott and MDanzig's Advanced Automatics are also available here.

Limited Edition - CC - Kalasjnikov 47

Quality without compromise makes Kalasjnikov 47 suitable for commercial grows or home use. These plants have a short flowering period for a sativa, producing compact, not too leafy buds that gleam with a coat of resin crystals. A favorite to smoke as well as to grow. The smoke is phenomenal; extremely fruity, hard hitting and with a very up and racing high. A couple of puffs is all you need for a manageable, enjoyable, and highly social high.

It's turning out great in SOG. Going with a 4 week veg gets about 2 oz per plant and I'm a rookie so an expert could get more.

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That sounds like a great strain, I'm definitely going to get it.

MOON SHINER said:

I thought that a little too at first, but the growth is different than AK. It still may be a knock off but all well, it's a great plant for me

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Its all good, if you like it.. I've messed with a few ak knockoffs, ak48 from nirvana.. etc.. never was impresed, But ya might have found a good one.

Quick update. Changed nutes today.
1/2 strength GH MaxiGro
Full strength CALiMAGic
Full strength Pro-Tekt Silicon
Full strength Botanicare Vitamino

Most of the seeds have come up but really look weak. Only 3 or 4 look worth keeping. I'll give them a week to recover. If they don't, I'll scrap this grow and go buy clones. Not going to waste the lights on 3 plants.

Been a couple weeks so I thought I'd give an update. I was harvesting my outside grow which took all of my time.

First off, sog from seed isn't the best way to go about things. The seeds germinate at different rates so i have some large plants and some that are just getting their first set of leaves. I had some that didn't germinate at all. I was given a bunch of clones from a friend that didn't have room for them.

Nutes, I've been increasing the N every week but my girls from seed seem to be getting more and more yellow. While my clones seem to be thriving, especially since I've started adding GH KoolBloom to the res.

Another issue I seem to be having is PPM keep going up. I'm guessing that the rate at which the plants feed is slower then the rate of evaporation. I start at a concentration of about 920 and end at a concentration near 1200. This is even more frustrating because of the yellowing of the seedlings. I adjust the ph every other day or so. I try to keep it at 5.6 to 5.7, every other day it is at 6.0 to 6.1.

Of the clones I have, a few are in large rockwool cubes and the rest are in 1 gallon smart pots. I honestly haven't seen any difference in growth or health.

I'd love some feed back.

After pulling two out for pictures, I realized that the HID light was fucking with my eyes. I do have some yellowing but i don't think it's N. Maybe calcium or Magnesium? I really don't know.

hillbillybuddha said:

Been a couple weeks so I thought I'd give an update. I was harvesting my outside grow which took all of my time.

First off, sog from seed isn't the best way to go about things. The seeds germinate at different rates so i have some large plants and some that are just getting their first set of leaves. I had some that didn't germinate at all. I was given a bunch of clones from a friend that didn't have room for them.

Nutes, I've been increasing the N every week but my girls from seed seem to be getting more and more yellow. While my clones seem to be thriving, especially since I've started adding GH KoolBloom to the res.

Another issue I seem to be having is PPM keep going up. I'm guessing that the rate at which the plants feed is slower then the rate of evaporation. I start at a concentration of about 920 and end at a concentration near 1200. This is even more frustrating because of the yellowing of the seedlings. I adjust the ph every other day or so. I try to keep it at 5.6 to 5.7, every other day it is at 6.0 to 6.1.

Of the clones I have, a few are in large rockwool cubes and the rest are in 1 gallon smart pots. I honestly haven't seen any difference in growth or health.

I'd love some feed back.

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Hmm.. full strength maxi grow does fine with my tap water and does not need any calcium or mg for veg. What is is your water starting at? Additionally I would be careful with silica additives, I know for a fact GH Armor Si, raises PH, i'm assuming (proteck) is similar. Maxi grow PH performs better around 1000PPM.. So when you say 1/2 strength I assume your base formula is around 500-600PPM?. Anways post your starting water PPM.

You coco ph seems too low, I ran mine around 6.

Always start with the basics before troubleshooting, enviro, light, pests, air.. meter calibration.. etc. I had some plants showing K problems and all it was is temps dipping too low at night.

I had mentioned earlier in this thread that my water PPM's start at 100 but it does bare repeating. I haven't mentioned my water temp yet. It seems to fluctuate between 69 (first thing in the morning, right as the lights are coming on) and 73 (right as the lights are going off)

I haven't seen any pests yet but i put some clones in yesterday and did a neem bath on everything i added to the tent. I dipped the whole clone, root ball and all.

The first few weeks i had my 1000 watt light set at 50% but upped it to 75% last week.

I've read the ph in coco should be between 5.5 and 6. Since it's almost impossible to keep it at 6, I start a little low and let it raise to 6 over a couple days. Am I wrong in my thinking here?

My one concern is that my smart pots are staying to wet but i have no reason to believe that. I keep meaning to check but i only remember when I hear the tray start to drain. Which, of course is to late.

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MOON SHINER said:

A GREAT product I use to control indoor pests is Neem Oil from Dyna-Gro. It is 100% organic, extracted from the crushed Neem Tree Seeds. When Sprayed and/or coco drench it makes pests infertile so they can not reproduce, proven effective up to 17 generations of insects! It's an amazing product to use and you can google "Neem Oil advantage" to learn SO Much more about it.
Good luck!
Tagging along for this one!

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try looking up its harm to men that spray it without full protective gear. Information goes back 60 years and more. Get a suit for spraying it. Makes your dick not work and you're sex drive diminishes. Sued for letting farm laborers use it without protection. Happy ball shrinkage.

GrowerGoneWild said:

She still looks pretty good.

Bummer about the mites.. Have you considered more agressive mite controls..? Like Avid?

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Avid is illegal in California for a reason. It affects the genetics of the plant. Forever. It's not the same plant and if you take cuttings from it and avid them and then cut off them and do th same. By three or four generations you've made it change enough that it's not recognizable as the original.

Cannasutraorganics said:

Avid is illegal in California for a reason. It affects the genetics of the plant. Forever. It's not the same plant and if you take cuttings from it and avid them and then cut off them and do th same. By three or four generations you've made it change enough that it's not recognizable as the original.

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Reference please.. I know about it being illegal in Cali. tho'.

The plant gene damage is new info to me... After thinking it over it was probally a bit overboard for me to suggest Avid, it is strong stuff.

Man, I've eaten the shit outta neem. They use it as a spice in India. It tastes like garlic and cloves. I guess breathing it in is bad though. Well, regardless, I did a neem bath today. I didn't spray it. My girl is the one that takes care of pest control; I deal with nutes. We both brainstorm and research other issues It seems like a pretty good set up for us.

Edit: i was thinking of the spice called hing not neem. My bad.

hillbillybuddha said:

Man, I've eaten the shit outta neem. They use it as a spice in India. It tastes like garlic and cloves. I guess breathing it in is bad though. Well, regardless, I did a neem bath today. I didn't spray it. My girl is the one that takes care of pest control; I deal with nutes. We both brainstorm and research other issues It seems like a pretty good set up for us.

Edit: i was thinking of the spice called hing not neem. My bad.

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Well you tried.... Lol. Look it up on the MIT website.

hillbillybuddha said:

Right now I have two tents and I'll be looking for a third. My veg tent is 4.5x4.5 feet. One 1000w bulb. 4x4 flood table. 26 gallon tote as my reservoir.

I've read I can get 4 plants per square foot if I lolypop the girls. I'm looking for plants to be 18" to 24" at harvest. One cola.

Plan is 3 weeks veg and 9 weeks flower.

Second tent is 3.5x6.5 feet (only 8 square feet bigger than the 4.5x4.5) with a 3x6 flood table and either 2 1000w or 2 600w. I have both. (Thoughts?) And a 50 gallon reservoir. I'm looking for another tent to make this into a simi-perpetual grow.

I have a/c for the tents but in a couple months i won't need them, I'll just bing in the outside air.

Oh, one gallon smart pots and flood 3x a day or plastic 6x6 pots and flood 2x a day? I can definitely get more plants in with the 6x6 but the smart pots are 8 inches around. Thoughts?

Thanks
Hillbillybuddha

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hey hillbilly. might take this route as im trying to decide on my next grow. how many plants did you end up fitting in the flood tables? i have a 4x4 and also 2 3x3's so im curious. as far as yield wise what goal are you shooting for? why'd you decide to go with the flood and drain over drip feed? and are you draining to waste or recirculating with your coco grow??

ag843 said:

how many plants did you end up fitting in the flood tables?

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my goal is 4 plants per square foot, so i think will be 48 plants in my 5x5 and 63 in my 3x6 but those numbers are from memory.

ag843 said:

as far as yield wise what goal are you shooting for?

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I'd be happy with an oz a plant but i hear of people getting twice that with the right strain and dialed in on nutes/temp/etc.

ag843 said:

why'd you decide to go with the flood and drain over drip feed?

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i went with flood and drain over drip because of easy and initial cost. I've been a soil guy and i still wasn't sure how I'd do with hydro. If i like this set up after a couple runs, I'll probably switch to a drip system[/QUOTE)

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and are you draining to waste or recirculating with your coco grow??

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I'm recirculating right now, although if i move to a drip system, i may also move to a drain to waste.

Also, i know you didn't ask but i went with coco over hydrocorn and floodanddrain over deap water because of root health and water temp, etc.