Strain descriptions conundrum

almansor

New Member
I m looking for some new strains for next years indoors season, and all that advertising and the trickery with the adjectives they use, to hide that their strains are just mediocre...it plain sickens me to my metal core. It seems like there is a whole new code in developement you have to decipher.

For example some of the GSC strains their seed banks claim they are the real GSC: everybody disses them for beeing small and week and slow, because despite the promised magical flavor the plants all seem to provide (according to the reviews), the yield and overall growth-rate are somewhat abysmal.

Didnt listen, bought it anyway, GSC got overshadowed quickly by all the other strains, mostly indicas.
In the description it just said average or medium yield. So what am I supposed to think about that bullshit information. That all those medium yield strains are somewhat shitty? I honestly dont know, what to think.

And there is other stuff. "Plant needs suspensions during last third of bloom" = obviously mostly sativa!!!! (even if it reads 70 indica/30 sativa 50-60 days max - and then in the summer you end up with a pheno that is 11 weeks in bloom, 12 if you want some more cbd, and is almost pure sativa...but curiously same stretch as an indica).

Another bogus thing is all the talk with the old strains and their lineage and the cool stories behind that. Lets face it: those strains are long dead. Those who recreate these vintage strains, have a good understanding of the different phenols, that those old strains posessed, and now they just use new resilient strains with similar smell and taste to recreate something that resembles those old farts. Come on people, its not a new plant. Those things smell like diesel or catpiss or berries or chocolate or pineapple for thousands of years. The more they smell the easier they are to recreate.

Its a big bullshit sandwich. Pardon me french.

So I am just looking for resiliant strains, I mean like exploding in veg and almost not growing anymore, 55 days tops and hungry and thirsty as hell all the time. I dont buy the indica/sativa bullshit with the stoned high vs. head (creative) high. That is all a lie tooooooooo.

The only code phrase I could find that matches all the aforementioned requirements remotely, I seek in a plant, is the magical "good strain for beginners". And believe me, this information is crucial. Find it out for yourself.

The opposite would be "can be a bit difficult". Not even a not for beginners in most cases. Thats how you find out, that the strain you put all your hope and money in for 6 months or more is a dud (or produces mostly duds, not here for semantics).

So if I would begin a dictionary of weed advertisement-bullshit, so some day some young fella, who wasnt a grower in the nineties, hung out with Rosskam and friends and shit, can just read a description and decipher it automatically, like a boss is able to screen out the pot smokers in the army of paupers that wanna apply.

What should I add in your opinion. Im asking for contributions.
 

Kingrow1

Well-Known Member
Im not sure wtf your asking but i grow for a while now sensi skunk fem and it is as good as the day it was made, an easy to grow strain, mainly indica and one of the quickest you can get.

Add to all this that it is quite a cheap and easily available strain.

Some want what only years of growing will give :-)
 

almansor

New Member
im talking about the hybrid hype. you may have some form of landrace there. Congratulations. Not arguing with that.
 

rob333

Well-Known Member
I m looking for some new strains for next years indoors season, and all that advertising and the trickery with the adjectives they use, to hide that their strains are just mediocre...it plain sickens me to my metal core. It seems like there is a whole new code in developement you have to decipher.

For example some of the GSC strains their seed banks claim they are the real GSC: everybody disses them for beeing small and week and slow, because despite the promised magical flavor the plants all seem to provide (according to the reviews), the yield and overall growth-rate are somewhat abysmal.

Didnt listen, bought it anyway, GSC got overshadowed quickly by all the other strains, mostly indicas.
In the description it just said average or medium yield. So what am I supposed to think about that bullshit information. That all those medium yield strains are somewhat shitty? I honestly dont know, what to think.

And there is other stuff. "Plant needs suspensions during last third of bloom" = obviously mostly sativa!!!! (even if it reads 70 indica/30 sativa 50-60 days max - and then in the summer you end up with a pheno that is 11 weeks in bloom, 12 if you want some more cbd, and is almost pure sativa...but curiously same stretch as an indica).

Another bogus thing is all the talk with the old strains and their lineage and the cool stories behind that. Lets face it: those strains are long dead. Those who recreate these vintage strains, have a good understanding of the different phenols, that those old strains posessed, and now they just use new resilient strains with similar smell and taste to recreate something that resembles those old farts. Come on people, its not a new plant. Those things smell like diesel or catpiss or berries or chocolate or pineapple for thousands of years. The more they smell the easier they are to recreate.

Its a big bullshit sandwich. Pardon me french.

So I am just looking for resiliant strains, I mean like exploding in veg and almost not growing anymore, 55 days tops and hungry and thirsty as hell all the time. I dont buy the indica/sativa bullshit with the stoned high vs. head (creative) high. That is all a lie tooooooooo.

The only code phrase I could find that matches all the aforementioned requirements remotely, I seek in a plant, is the magical "good strain for beginners". And believe me, this information is crucial. Find it out for yourself.

The opposite would be "can be a bit difficult". Not even a not for beginners in most cases. Thats how you find out, that the strain you put all your hope and money in for 6 months or more is a dud (or produces mostly duds, not here for semantics).

So if I would begin a dictionary of weed advertisement-bullshit, so some day some young fella, who wasnt a grower in the nineties, hung out with Rosskam and friends and shit, can just read a description and decipher it automatically, like a boss is able to screen out the pot smokers in the army of paupers that wanna apply.

What should I add in your opinion. Im asking for contributions.
i have no idea what u are on about but most new strains come from older ones and its how you grow not what u grow
 

Kingrow1

Well-Known Member
im talking about the hybrid hype. you may have some form of landrace there. Congratulations. Not arguing with that.
Its skunk#1 crossed with some super secret afghan of the top of my head, you wont find an easier quicker plant as a fem. I only found it by going through the top ten cheapest sensi strains. Before that i grew super skunk from sensi which is a killer smoke. Sensiskunk easier and quicker not as impressive as the super but way easier and faster.

Theres tons to grow, northern lights, chronic, skunk#1, white widow, ak.... you dont have to try to hard and some will be keepers, blueberry, afghan, bigbud.... :-)
 

Thundercat

Well-Known Member
There definitely is tons of bull shit that breeders and seed sellers put in descriptions! There can also be good info, deciphering which is which is part of the game.
 

xtsho

Well-Known Member
Many of the descriptions are marketing and nothing more. Seeds have gone down the same path as overpriced nutrients. I don't know how some people are even called breeders. Unstable lines with half a dozen or more phenotype's. Anyone can make F1's. I have about twenty different crosses I've made myself. But I would never call myself a breeder.

Step #1: Chuck some pollen
Step #2: Harvest seeds
Step #3: Make up a cool sounding name
Step #4: Sell seeds for $10 -$20 a piece
Step #5 Take a vacation
Step #6: Repeat
 

almansor

New Member
Hello Guys,

thank you all for your contributions.

@Kingrow1: I think you have a winner there. I read in some book you should get new genetic material at least every 24 months, from there potency for growth and overall production is said to go down. I would like to know, if you could confirm or refute that statement. How is your girl with 2 years plus?

@rob333 and xtsho (and everyone else): same question as for Kingrow1. I would like to know your oppinion.

@Thundercat: if there is a game, there could be a playbook...starting now
 

Kingrow1

Well-Known Member
Hello Guys,

thank you all for your contributions.

@Kingrow1: I think you have a winner there. I read in some book you should get new genetic material at least every 24 months, from there potency for growth and overall production is said to go down. I would like to know, if you could confirm or refute that statement. How is your girl with 2 years plus?

@rob333 and xtsho (and everyone else): same question as for Kingrow1. I would like to know your oppinion.

@Thundercat: if there is a game, there could be a playbook...starting now
Potency dosent change really :-)
 

Dr. Who

Well-Known Member
There is no playbook your going to be able to make.
Some breeders are full of it.
Some not so much.
Even with the "good" ones. Shit happens.

It's opinion as far as that will go. Breeders I like, may not be so popular with others....

Right now, in my garden. The top running strains, can be super potent and have great terp profiles.
Thing is, the best one is fast, taller and lower yielding then most....Topping is proving to be a big help in yielding...
Others are far more "normal".
Some like less N.
Some are feed monsters.
A cpl are Mg hogs.

Uniformity in growing as per nutrition and time, etc. Can vary greatly. It's up to you to dial in for your environment and to balance the finish times to your needs.

For "me" as far as the best running right now...

Skies Over Paris - hands down the best I've run in a while.
Gelato - 1 pheno has stood out from the crowd....High demand
Triangle - Came from Cali as a clone out of Frisco. You hear good and not so in reports for this strain. DAMN fine pheno here!
Sunday Driver - Another good and not so reporting on this one. This pheno is SOLID!
Original GG#4 - What can you say? Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

I have other top shelf strains I really like. Some are well liked by many, some are subjective to those who get it.
It's up to you to pick the wheat from the chaff...

Archive, Ethos, Smellboat, Riot, the list of quality strain breeders go's on, and on.....YOU have to find what works for you..

Pheno hunting from F1's is time and space consuming. The result's can be spectacular.....
 

Dr. Who

Well-Known Member
Potency dosent change really :-)
On rebuilds? I find originals (from the original breeder) to be better then others "copies" of the strain.

Yet, the original breeders, from time to time. Do real good at further isolating more potent pheno's of their original run's.
Gelato is a good example of that...

If something is lost from the past, original crossing component wise. You can get loss of potency.
BlueBerry is a good example of that.....
I'm finding that if you have an original BB..... Some interesting breeders take notice quick like.
 

grayeyes

Well-Known Member
When you buy donuts x cheerios x poprocks you support the people like Arjan who want to sell you that in feminized seed. Your money tells them keep doing it so it is self perpetuating.

buy what interests you. See if it works. Then you will know.
 

Budzbuddha

Well-Known Member
Find a keeper and perpetuate. Simple.

A lot of “ breeders “ are getting called out on gear .... dodgy growing , shit results.
*See Barney’s
*See Cali Connection

It’s becoming more of a pheno hunt than hoping your buds look like the photo shown on website.
Name game play is getting fucking gay and ridiculous too .... Strawberry Lemonade for example .

That’s why I either make my own crosses and self the keepers.
 

almansor

New Member
Thank you all so much for your contributions to this great cause. There is task of herculean proportions on me, and you little elves are the only ones, that can help me.

But you have to stay awake. The premise was: to find a way out of the jungle. This is not a dissing arjan or the cali guy thread, there is a million of those out there. Please keep it together and read ALL posts of this thread, before you contribute, thit is, if you even want to contribute to this cause. If you just want to talk, please go away or you will kill this thread, render it completely useless. So please keep the dissing and the one liners out of this thread.

I heard some really great examples of how to avoid this conundrum by hoping to get feasible genetics and "perpetuate" them (and please don’t start to lecture me an that again. We all got it.)

But it is is the answer to a question I did NOT ask. So please open your minds to my playbook idea. I’m planing it as a guideline for newbies, and again I’m asking for contributions to this cause. Got squat till now. Nothing to write.

I blame myself, I didn’t give you enough material to chew an, so you keep spitting it in the gutter. So I promise, I will work on that problem and come up with a solution till Christmas eve.

Stay frosty.
 

Thundercat

Well-Known Member
One thing I could say on the subject is don't believe any seed that says it will finish in 6 weeks or less. I've never seen a plant finish properly under 6 weeks of actual flower time. Whether the breeder might have gotten some special pheno I can't say. But most plants need a minimum of 7 weeks and that's a fast strain. Many many plants need 8-10 weeks and most new people don't want to wait that long.

And don't believe any auto flower that gives a seed to harvest time. There are way to many variables for a breeder to make that claim.
 
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