Strain descriptions conundrum

Skidmarx · Jun 6, 2019

Al Mansur I know its an old thread but this PB is a real good idea.
Did you get anywhere with it?
So many aspects of cannabis marketing are a charletons playground a "BS Buster" thread would be timely and practical.

For practical purposes consider chapters within the pb.
It might help isolate and thus focus on specific aspects of the developing canna-charleton-culture

THC & cannabioid % (Jargon free intro to lab testings subjective results)
Plant phenotype variation ( distinguish breeders terms that often indicate irregularity or doubt in strain consistancy )

Tale tale suspicious signs mixing units in the same sales blurb is a good distraction technique for strains with problem areas.

Not naming breeders means riu would not in theory loose any advertisers

Dr. Who · Jun 6, 2019

Skidmarx said:
Plant phenotype variation ( distinguish breeders terms that often indicate irregularity or doubt in strain consistancy )

Don't run any F1 or F2 beans eh?

If you breed at all. You KNOW damn well that you can get so many pheno variations in a first paring F1 run, it can make your head spin...

Finding that "1" special pheno can be like 1 in 200 beans.....Most are less but, I've seen more too...

Example. First popping of 24 beans from a breeding project.

8 males

16 females.

4 of those were the "same" pheno

12 plants of clearly different pheno's from each other.
Those differences include.
Color
Potency
Scent
Indica/Sativa type of growth pattern (growth structure) Including bud size and density..
Size
Speed of growth (vigor)

There is not much "stability" in F1 or even F2 (it is better though) bean run's

Skidmarx · Jun 6, 2019

Dr. Who said:
Don't run any F1 or F2 beans eh?

If you breed at all. You KNOW damn well that you can get so many pheno variations in a first paring F1 run, it can make your head spin...

Finding that "1" special pheno can be like 1 in 200 beans.....Most are less but, I've seen more too...

Example. First popping of 24 beans from a breeding project.

8 males

16 females.

4 of those were the "same" pheno

12 plants of clearly different pheno's from each other.
Those differences include.
Color
Potency
Scent
Indica/Sativa type of growth pattern (growth structure) Including bud size and density..
Size
Speed of growth (vigor)

There is not much "stability" in F1 or even F2 (it is better though) bean run's

Excellent insight Dr W cheers.
I'm thinking if AM doesn't come back I will try writing a rough outline for a post & call it something like
SEED BUYERS CHECKLIST
(BS buster for those purchasing cannabis seeds)
Forums should have this as a section already, theyre missing a trick.
Now, back to your tardis buddy!

Dr. Who · Jun 7, 2019

Skidmarx said:
Excellent insight Dr W cheers.
I'm thinking if AM doesn't come back I will try writing a rough outline for a post & call it something like
SEED BUYERS CHECKLIST
(BS buster for those purchasing cannabis seeds)
Forums should have this as a section already, theyre missing a trick.
Now, back to your tardis buddy!

THAT, sounds like a nice idea!

olaf687 · Jun 8, 2019

Yeah agree with some of what the others said here. I very annoyed by these crappy new strains being developed. Here in Southern Oregon at least in the dispensaries it's a clown show. It's hard to even find strains that havent been mixed to death. When I first got here I not even could even find purple kush. It's all the weird shit, ice cream cake, animal cookies, wedding cake, nasty tangie, strains mixed so much there not even recognizable! And when I did get it 6 months later, it wasn't the purple kush pheno I remember that sedated my ass and sunk me in the bed. Nope it was the new fad going around here, "the terpey more functional high". Sorry no I want to get fucked up I don't want a shitty mellow functional high! I believe it's for the new pussy rec users that never dared smoked weed before it was legal. And I may be wrong but believe these dispensaries cater to these newbies don't know difference between very strong long lasting high. On top of it all of it because of the oversupply of weed here in oregon the weed is old as hell in some places. I got weed that harvested two years ago! I'm so pissed im thinking of quitting because just keeps me up and doesn't let me sleep like I used to. I started my own personal medical grow and finally got some the original one hitter quitter strains from seed not offered in these dispensaries. But I have to wait till october or november to get any bud. So for a year now I been stuck with this crap weed in basically a zombie functional high state.

Skidmarx · Jun 8, 2019

olaf687 said:
Yeah agree with some of what the others said here. I very annoyed by these crappy new strains being developed. Here in Southern Oregon at least in the dispensaries it's a clown show. It's hard to even find strains that havent been mixed to death. When I first got here I not even could even find purple kush. It's all the weird shit, ice cream cake, animal cookies, wedding cake, nasty tangie, strains mixed so much there not even recognizable! And when I did get it 6 months later, it wasn't the purple kush pheno I remember that sedated my ass and sunk me in the bed. Nope it was the new fad going around here, "the terpey more functional high". Sorry no I want to get fucked up I don't want a shitty mellow functional high! I believe it's for the new pussy rec users that never dared smoked weed before it was legal. And I may be wrong but believe these dispensaries cater to these newbies don't know difference between very strong long lasting high. On top of it all of it because of the oversupply of weed here in oregon the weed is old as hell in some places. I got weed that harvested two years ago! I'm so pissed im thinking of quitting because just keeps me up and doesn't let me sleep like I used to. I started my own personal medical grow and finally got some the original one hitter quitter strains from seed not offered in these dispensaries. But I have to wait till october or november to get any bud. So for a year now I been stuck with this crap weed in basically a zombie functional high state.

That sounds like a nightmare. Glad youve got your own grow up and running. Roll on October!

xtsho · Jun 8, 2019

olaf687 said:
Yeah agree with some of what the others said here. I very annoyed by these crappy new strains being developed. Here in Southern Oregon at least in the dispensaries it's a clown show. It's hard to even find strains that havent been mixed to death. When I first got here I not even could even find purple kush. It's all the weird shit, ice cream cake, animal cookies, wedding cake, nasty tangie, strains mixed so much there not even recognizable! And when I did get it 6 months later, it wasn't the purple kush pheno I remember that sedated my ass and sunk me in the bed. Nope it was the new fad going around here, "the terpey more functional high". Sorry no I want to get fucked up I don't want a shitty mellow functional high! I believe it's for the new pussy rec users that never dared smoked weed before it was legal. And I may be wrong but believe these dispensaries cater to these newbies don't know difference between very strong long lasting high. On top of it all of it because of the oversupply of weed here in oregon the weed is old as hell in some places. I got weed that harvested two years ago! I'm so pissed im thinking of quitting because just keeps me up and doesn't let me sleep like I used to. I started my own personal medical grow and finally got some the original one hitter quitter strains from seed not offered in these dispensaries. But I have to wait till october or november to get any bud. So for a year now I been stuck with this crap weed in basically a zombie functional high state.

I'm with you with all these strains these days. It's hard to tell many of them apart. They all have different descriptions but you couldn't tell that from smoking them. They all taste the same. A buddy of mine comes over now and then and usually has several different strains he got at the dispensary. Pink Cookies, Yellow Bubblegum Dream, Super Tangie Sorbet, Green Martian Kittles, etc... I laugh at the names. I tried three different kinds one day and they all tasted the same. I loaded a bowl of some Thai I grew and he went crazy over it. He wanted to buy some but since I don't sell I gave him an eighth or so. He was like a little kid getting a cookie when I gave him the bag.

LinguaPeel · Jun 8, 2019

Never seen a strain with bad mold resistance, have you? Yeah, them itty bitty little 10 dollar seeds claiming to be my favorite strains from the 90s..

Shitty useless weed was already a bad enough enough problem without seed sellers and their extra layer of bullshit. Its obvious why the dispo down the road grows cookie cake pie that smells like toothpaste candy cigs and rubber dicks. Because people are buying the name and looks, not quality or effect. Same reason commercial bananas taste like vanilla instead of citrus. The masses have accepted bland cheap commercial shit, at the suffering of the 5% with working brains and no placebo condition.

Just imagine how old you will be, on your knees in the closet because all the kids around you grow and smoke toothpaste bud.

xtsho · Jun 8, 2019

LinguaPeel said:
Never seen a strain with bad mold resistance, have you? Yeah, them itty bitty little 10 dollar seeds claiming to be my favorite strains from the 90s..

Shitty useless weed was already a bad enough enough problem without seed sellers and their extra layer of bullshit. Its obvious why the dispo down the road grows cookie cake pie that smells like toothpaste candy cigs and rubber dicks. Because people are buying the name and looks, not quality or effect. Same reason commercial bananas taste like vanilla instead of citrus. The masses have accepted bland cheap commercial shit, at the suffering of the 5% with working brains and no placebo condition.

Just imagine how old you will be, on your knees in the closet because all the kids around you grow and smoke toothpaste bud.

Toothpaste bud. That's funny. :bigjoint:

Dr. Who · Jun 8, 2019

LinguaPeel said:
Never seen a strain with bad mold resistance, have you? Yeah, them itty bitty little 10 dollar seeds claiming to be my favorite strains from the 90s..

Shitty useless weed was already a bad enough enough problem without seed sellers and their extra layer of bullshit. Its obvious why the dispo down the road grows cookie cake pie that smells like toothpaste candy cigs and rubber dicks. Because people are buying the name and looks, not quality or effect. Same reason commercial bananas taste like vanilla instead of citrus. The masses have accepted bland cheap commercial shit, at the suffering of the 5% with working brains and no placebo condition.

Just imagine how old you will be, on your knees in the closet because all the kids around you grow and smoke toothpaste bud.

Somebody pissed you off today...

I like playing with the new stuff,,,We go through a lot of breeder direct cutting release's. Here you know your getting THE pheno that all the chatter is about...

These are the cream of the crop for all the things you say that new strains don't have!
OGKB
ROZAY
PEANUT BUTTER BREATH
GELATO
GMO
GG#4
Dos I Dos
9lb BUBBA
SUNDAE DRIVER
TRIANGLE
SKIES OVER PARIS
STUFFED FRENCH TOAST
FRENCH PANTIES

Got a lot of upcoming bean popping to do also..Very likely some to join that permanent rotation list..

Old school I still run?

One from your neck of the woods. Took me a long, long time to find the real deal one too!
BLUE MAGOO

Others are
Chem 91
Original Blue Berry (Muffin cut)
Blue Cheese (Buddha's)
EXODUS Cheese

Other then that. Most old school is not the same as when it first came out.
A newer oldie and, far past a goodie,,,,,, AK47...It's just NOT the same as when it was first developed.
Same for about any other oldie.....

Nope, I like chasing the cream of the the new crop.....
Most of that list above. Will simply leave the old school strains in the dust...

I'm not looking back....Well, if you get some REAL dog shit,,, or cat piss Skunk.
Then I'll be interested..

olaf687 · Jun 9, 2019

Skidmarx said:
That sounds like a nightmare. Glad youve got your own grow up and running. Roll on October!

Yeah man been rough Oregon dispensaries been a huge disappointment. Wow to think I thought i was gonna get way danker weed than Pennsylvania.... Huge slap in the face. I seriously thought I was going nuts when I smoked this crap. Especially when I couldn't sleep and my insomnia torturing me. I fucking hate commercial growers taking over Oregon market and dispensaries. Every average joe idiot is growing cannabis around here and most only care about money not high. I can't find any small time medical growers that actually harvest late with amber and milky trichromes. Bastards cut shit way too early. I have not once yet living here smelled dank weed. it has no smell.

No skunky smells anymore. And than theres the trickster weed that looks extremely dank but gives a shit high called, "show bud". Yes they have plenty of that. And to further my rant wtf do dispensaries use see through glass jars exposing light to the buds 24/7 day? I cant believe all them do this. Store dark room you idiots! in fact when I walk into almost every dispensary i barely get whiff of dank anymore. When I lived in cali shit was so stinky it would stink up a whole room. I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone for the past year!

olaf687 · Jun 9, 2019

xtsho said:
I'm with you with all these strains these days. It's hard to tell many of them apart. They all have different descriptions but you couldn't tell that from smoking them. They all taste the same. A buddy of mine comes over now and then and usually has several different strains he got at the dispensary. Pink Cookies, Yellow Bubblegum Dream, Super Tangie Sorbet, Green Martian Kittles, etc... I laugh at the names. I tried three different kinds one day and they all tasted the same. I loaded a bowl of some Thai I grew and he went crazy over it. He wanted to buy some but since I don't sell I gave him an eighth or so. He was like a little kid getting a cookie when I gave him the bag.

Yeah man it's shit in the dispensaries! Damn did you just say Thai? I'm growing trainwreck partially because it has Thai genetics in it. My dad tells me stories of the real Thai sticks grown in Thailand. I want to grow that but I heard that it's a very long flowering strain. I mean like super long because Thailand has a long summer I believe. If I was to grow Thai I believe the best way to get to its full potential would to copy the weather conditions in Thailand. And I believe Thai should get some real outdoor sun. I believe a Indoor/outdoor greenhouse setup. Its mostly grown out in the sun but when fall comes it closes up and finishes with a powerful grow light say till December or January. If goes that long you may get the THC-V that's very rare in strains. I believe it basically doesn't have a plateau. How long do you flower it?

olaf687 · Jun 9, 2019

Dr. Who said:
Somebody pissed you off today...

I like playing with the new stuff,,,We go through a lot of breeder direct cutting release's. Here you know your getting THE pheno that all the chatter is about...

These are the cream of the crop for all the things you say that new strains don't have!
OGKB
ROZAY
PEANUT BUTTER BREATH
GELATO
GMO
GG#4
Dos I Dos
9lb BUBBA
SUNDAE DRIVER
TRIANGLE
SKIES OVER PARIS
STUFFED FRENCH TOAST
FRENCH PANTIES

Got a lot of upcoming bean popping to do also..Very likely some to join that permanent rotation list..

Old school I still run?

One from your neck of the woods. Took me a long, long time to find the real deal one too!
BLUE MAGOO

Others are
Chem 91
Original Blue Berry (Muffin cut)
Blue Cheese (Buddha's)
EXODUS Cheese

Other then that. Most old school is not the same as when it first came out.
A newer oldie and, far past a goodie,,,,,, AK47...It's just NOT the same as when it was first developed.
Same for about any other oldie.....

Nope, I like chasing the cream of the the new crop.....
Most of that list above. Will simply leave the old school strains in the dust...

I'm not looking back....Well, if you get some REAL dog shit,,, or cat piss Skunk.
Then I'll be interested..

Most stuff you mentioned is nasty stuff going around Oregon now. Why would we not want to preserve the old strains? Triangle i did hear was good. Not all the new ones are bad. But lot of these new ones from my experience here in Oregon do not sedate you! They keep you up energetic crack shit. And no doubt these little pussy rec users been pushing more "mellow functional high" in dispensaries. I'm only 31 been smoking since 15. So I'm not that old school. But really I haven't found a new strain that sedates me. I want to sleep not be cracked out or fucking MELLOW. Sure i love good sativa but don't take my night time strains away!

Dr. Who · Jun 10, 2019

olaf687 said:
Most stuff you mentioned is nasty stuff going around Oregon now. Why would we not want to preserve the old strains? Triangle i did hear was good. Not all the new ones are bad. But lot of these new ones from my experience here in Oregon do not sedate you! They keep you up energetic crack shit. And no doubt these little pussy rec users been pushing more "mellow functional high" in dispensaries. I'm only 31 been smoking since 15. So I'm not that old school. But really I haven't found a new strain that sedates me. I want to sleep not be cracked out or fucking MELLOW. Sure i love good sativa but don't take my night time strains away!

Your into Indica's....Or should be.

Thing is, anyone with 16 years of smoking experience would know that.
They would also know that the Gelato, 9lb Bubba and Dos i Dos would be very sedative.....Maybe you haven't really smoked the real thing.
The other funny part is that OGKB is not in anybodies dispensary, at least not DGD's new version, nor has Rozay had the time yet to be, at least in DGD's personal hunted clone release's or that most of the rest of that list are OG breeding combinations.....Not exactly "energetic crack shit" either....
But, more then likely. Your just bullshitting us here on line on your age and experience....At least that you've actually tried any of what I listed yet....
Skies over Paris is very sedative....

Dr. Who · Jun 10, 2019

olaf687 said:
Yeah man it's shit in the dispensaries! Damn did you just say Thai? I'm growing trainwreck partially because it has Thai genetics in it.

Oh, by the way. You say your growing "Trainwreck" How quaint.... So is this from bean? Who's beans?
Know the source pheno?

olaf687 · Jun 10, 2019

Dr. Who said:
Your into Indica's....Or should be.

Thing is, anyone with 16 years of smoking experience would know that.
They would also know that the Gelato, 9lb Bubba and Dos i Dos would be very sedative.....Maybe you haven't really smoked the real thing.
The other funny part is that OGKB is not in anybodies dispensary, at least not DGD's new version, nor has Rozay had the time yet to be, at least in DGD's personal hunted clone release's or that most of the rest of that list are OG breeding combinations.....Not exactly "energetic crack shit" either....
But, more then likely. Your just bullshitting us here on line on your age and experience....At least that you've actually tried any of what I listed yet....
Skies over Paris is very sedative....

Well yes you might be right about that. I have never grown the new ones myself. And I guess Oregon dispensaries would not be fair to judge these strains. Almost all the shit in oregon dispensaries is cut too early. So I probably just got a bad batch to really experience these strains potential. But no I have no reason to lie how many years I smoked. In fact Id much rather be a newbie and have a super low tolerance so I could get fucked like I used to back in the day. And like I said I do like Sativas in the daytime but I don't have Indicas at night I can't do sativias. Not because I can't handle the high but because they don't allow me sleep. My only problem with alot of these new strains as I feel they been cloned to death. Using cutting of mothers for too many gens causes genetic problems. That's why also want original strains preserved and breed with seeds grown males and females not clones. Start fresh basically.

pulpoinspace · Jun 10, 2019

Buying $10 random seeds online from random breeders and hoping for a keeper is for suckers. I went down that road for a year or so and spent a couple hundred on beans from different breeders. Never found anything as good as cuts I got from local growers who already did all that work for me, or had someone else do it for them.

To each his own.

coreywebster · Jun 10, 2019

olaf687 said:
My only problem with alot of these new strains as I feel they been cloned to death. Using cutting of mothers for too many gens causes genetic problems.

Does it though? I mean there's folks running clones from the 70s.

olaf687 said:
That's why also want original strains preserved and breed with seeds grown males and females not clones. Start fresh basically.

Maybe get yourself some landrace strains and make a few crosses yourself or just try some of the old dutch strains.

olaf687 · Jun 10, 2019

coreywebster said:
Does it though? I mean there's folks running clones from the 70s.

Maybe get yourself some landrace strains and make a few crosses yourself or just try some of the old dutch strains.

Yes don't quote me on that I might be wrong about that. In my gut though something doesn't seem right keeping a mother artificially alive for 10 years. I just feel in my gut it's not a good idea. I also have problem with clones cause they do not have main tap root and are weaker generally. I have asked growers and most say growing from seed is always better. I only grow feminized seeds for now though. Don't want deal with the males pollen till I have dedicated breeding room. So I don't impregnate my female plants. And say if things ever did go to crap and there's no power keeping mothers going, is not gonna be option. I feel its also really hard on the grid to keep a mother in vegetative for years. It just seems kinda nuts.

pulpoinspace · Jun 10, 2019

olaf687 said:
Yes don't quote me on that I might be wrong about that. In my gut though something doesn't seem right keeping a mother artificially alive for 10 years. I just feel in my gut it's not a good idea. I also have problem with clones cause they do not have main tap root and are weaker generally. I have asked growers and most say growing from seed is always better. I only grow feminized seeds for now though. Don't want deal with the males pollen till I have dedicated breeding room. So I don't impregnate my female plants. And say if things ever did go to crap and there's no power keeping mothers going, is not gonna be option. I feel its also really hard on the grid to keep a mother in vegetative for years. It just seems kinda nuts.

imo growing from seed is slower and thats the only difference. seedlings spend so long growing that big root system you're talking about.

sure if you wanna grow a monster. but for an indoor perpetual grow it doesn't make any sense. clone is way more efficient in my opinion.

ive never kept genetics 10 years so i'll have to get back to you on that but i have a plant thats been cloned for the past 3 years and it continues to be exactly the same, almost clonish.

also as for electricity, if you have a veg room at 20w/sq/ft it doesnt matter if u have mothers/clones or seedlings in it. it matters if ur perpetual or not. moms don't have to be huge you can train them just like other plants. a 3rd room for breeding would be much more electricity.

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