taking a plunge in AN's line up.

nuglets said:

you don't need b-52 or final phase. b-52 is just a b-1 supplement and you don't need it. final phase is for flushing. flush with water. trust me. i have never used pH perfect so i can't comment on it. always just regular sensi.

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B-52 will keep your plants tight and bushy. I really like it because I need to keep my plants short because I do not have tall cealings. Its got a full spectrum of B vitamins, not just B1 + Kelp, celated calcium, Fulic and Humic. I feel like you get the best bang for your buck using it as a foliar spray. I feel like it is one of their better nutrients to be honest. Final phase is worth it in hydro, but with soil, ya I would just go with water for a flush.

Conni is only for Bloom. Start with Sensi A/B, once you have that down, try Conni. It is very concentrated, so you have to be careful with it. If your on a budget, I would stick with Sensi, Big Bud, Overdrive... If you can afford it, voodoo, Bud Candy, Bud Ignitor. Good stuff.

jungle juice. its particle for particle the same as AN and way cheaper

drolove said:

jungle juice. its particle for particle the same as AN and way cheaper

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isn't jungle juice made by advanced? you are talking about their 3 part base nute?

BUdbuddysmile said:

B-52 will keep your plants tight and bushy. I really like it because I need to keep my plants short because I do not have tall cealings. Its got a full spectrum of B vitamins, not just B1 + Kelp, celated calcium, Fulic and Humic. I feel like you get the best bang for your buck using it as a foliar spray. I feel like it is one of their better nutrients to be honest. Final phase is worth it in hydro, but with soil, ya I would just go with water for a flush.

Conni is only for Bloom. Start with Sensi A/B, once you have that down, try Conni. It is very concentrated, so you have to be careful with it. If your on a budget, I would stick with Sensi, Big Bud, Overdrive... If you can afford it, voodoo, Bud Candy, Bud Ignitor. Good stuff.

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are you talkin about keeping your mother plants short with b-52 or are you talkin about in flower? if that works with mothers thats a good idea

So, I use it all the way through veg and it keeps them bushier then when I dont use it for sure..(I switch to Nirvana through Bloom- The products have similar elements, but Nirvana is organic and it noticeably brings out more flavor and aroma. It also has alfalfa extract and I believe some bat guano as well?) I don't have a lot of room to work with so I cant let my plants stretch. Between topping and B-52 it does the job. I like to use it on my mother bc I can take more cuttings with out totally stressing out the plant. Keeps it healthy and bushy. Some people say vitamins don't do much for your plant, Im not sure I agree with that. B vitamins help your plants thrive in a stressful environment. The kelp extract is what keeps them bushy. B-52 is one of AN's better products.

good lord that feed chart makes my head hurt.

ScoobyDoobyDoo said:

isn't jungle juice made by advanced? you are talking about their 3 part base nute?

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yes. its the same as their more expensive line a lot of people here use. 3 parts, i believe its like $60 for a gallon of each part

alright so its down to eithe the ph perfect after seeing videos talking to a few people and understanding you have to use in a exact order which im fine with it will balance your ph to 5.7, that said, one of the ph perfect line up of sensi or micro grow bloom, or a regular sensi or micro grow bloom?

backyardagain said:

alright so its down to eithe the ph perfect after seeing videos talking to a few people and understanding you have to use in a exact order which im fine with it will balance your ph to 5.7, that said, one of the ph perfect line up of sensi or micro grow bloom, or a regular sensi or micro grow bloom?

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If you can afford it definitely go with pH Perfect. My buddy is using it and it is flawless. However you will want to follow the bundles they suggest. It still works just fine if you divert, and even with other non-AN products, but it is definitely on point if you follow as suggested.

Jungle Juice is like $20.00 a Gallon. I looked into it. It is Identical to GH 3 part as they say. With that said, you will need to supplement with CalMag.. both are deficient.

I use Sensi 2 part (non-pH Perfect) Even the non-pH is incredibly stable. I usually end up at 6-6.3 after all nutes are mixed.

i was looking into getting the hobbiest level for the first grow, as of the ph perfect they have some in sensi also, im either getting that or just regular sensi. i juts like the fact it stablizes out 5.7 since next grow im also going to be working with sunshine mix 4, and from what i heard it doesnt start with much nutes.

backyardagain said:

i was looking into getting the hobbiest level for the first grow, as of the ph perfect they have some in sensi also, im either getting that or just regular sensi. i juts like the fact it stablizes out 5.7 since next grow im also going to be working with sunshine mix 4, and from what i heard it doesnt start with much nutes.

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sunshine #4 is what i use and it has no nutes in it at all. it's a soiless medium. i'd suggest adding some worm castings for beneficial badteria and fungi as well as a little dolmite lime for pH stability. the pH on that sunshine tend to fluctuate pretty big. the dolmite will stabilize it. if you go sunshine you want your medium pH to be around 6.3 in my opinion. that seems to be the sweetspot. as far as the pH perfect goes; and i may be wrong; but i thought it didn't stabilize the pH of the solution at a set number...it just made the nutrients available in a larger pH range. somebody correct me if i'm wrong. i have no experience with the product but i think that was what i read about it.

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starts with 3 different ph lvls and it balances it out at 5.7 at the end. if you follow combinations, hence ph perfect.


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thanks backyardagain. cool video. i wonder how it works in mediums like soil, coco, and soiless where you want higher pH levels?

I think I might try it with some aunahine mix4

backyardagain said:

I think I might try it with some aunahine mix4

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let me know how it goes. i don't use advanced in soil but would be interesting to see how that pH perfect works. good luck man.

ScoobyDoobyDoo said:

sunshine #4 is what i use and it has no nutes in it at all. it's a soiless medium. i'd suggest adding some worm castings for beneficial badteria and fungi as well as a little dolmite lime for pH stability. the pH on that sunshine tend to fluctuate pretty big. the dolmite will stabilize it. if you go sunshine you want your medium pH to be around 6.3 in my opinion. that seems to be the sweetspot. as far as the pH perfect goes; and i may be wrong; but i thought it didn't stabilize the pH of the solution at a set number...it just made the nutrients available in a larger pH range. somebody correct me if i'm wrong. i have no experience with the product but i think that was what i read about it.

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Yes that is correct, and even though it stabilizes at 5.7, it is okay for soil because of how available the nutrients are. Pretty cool in my opinion. My buddy uses it in soil, not hydro. I would think that sunshine #4 would be the best soil, you wouldn't want to use an amended soil, it will probably throw off the pH Perfect.

BUdbuddysmile said:

Yes that is correct, and even though it stabilizes at 5.7, it is okay for soil because of how available the nutrients are. Pretty cool in my opinion. My buddy uses it in soil, not hydro. I would think that sunshine #4 would be the best soil, you wouldn't want to use an amended soil, it will probably throw off the pH Perfect.

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cool man. i only use advanced in hydro setups anyway so for me it's no big deal. i'm pretty organic in soil with worm castings, humisoil tea and just a&b nutes from house and garden.

Dont waste your money. BEEN THERE DONE IT. go with Dyna Gro. Way easier, better plants, better smoke.

kilo810 said:

Dont waste your money. BEEN THERE DONE IT. go with Dyna Gro. Way easier, better plants, better smoke.

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you should probably try advanced before you actually comment. just regurjitating something that someone else said is really pointless. plus, i bet you didn't even know that advanced 2 part and dyna grow cost almost the same. only about a $10 difference for a gallon. plus advanced 2 part is about 15% more concentrated to it pretty much is a wash.

ScoobyDoobyDoo said:

you should probably try advanced before you actually comment. just regurjitating something that someone else said is really pointless. plus, i bet you didn't even know that advanced 2 part and dyna grow cost almost the same. only about a $10 difference for a gallon. plus advanced 2 part is about 15% more concentrated to it pretty much is a wash.

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WOW read before you post. LOL BEEN THERE DONE THAT kinda says that I have used the advanced line up, oh and Ive used green planet, fox farm, ionic, GH, anything else you want to know. LOL and they are no where near the same. Dyna grow has all the micro you need without extra additives, I dont need 5 extra bottles of shit to add for each phase of the plants life cycle, Dyna is far more cost efficient, and easier to use. why waste your time mixing and shit when you can use dyna grow, molassas and micro bacterias. LOL you an AN fanboy aren't you. I use 5 ml of Dyna Grow per gallon compared to the 12ml per gallon of AN sensi 2 part before. SO whos more concentrated again???? HMMMM.....
Ive grown in both DWC and Soil and either way the plants look overall more healthy with Dyna Gro products. Just because AN has advertising Gurus that run around telling people they are the best doesn't make it true. This guy needs to save his money and use somehting that works way better. Check out HomeBrewers page and his journals. Lots of comparisons and test. And by the way, why would Ed Rosenthal promote Dyna Gro in his books even though they dont pay him?? becuase it works.