taking a plunge in AN's line up.

ScoobyDoobyDoo said:

if you use 10ml per bottle of 2 part and 10ml per bottle of Dyna then you'll be using the bottles up in the same amount of time. it's not rocket science.

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So you're saying that going through 2 gallons of your plant food at the same rate that I'm going through 1 gallon of my plant food means they're equally as concentrated as one another? Are you serious?

and with Dyna you have to purchase a veg nute as well so stop trying to act like Dyna is one stop shopping. if you run you Dyna Bloom in veg then great...it's still the same price and concentration difference than Sensi Grow.

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To take a seed to harvest, Sensi requires four bottles of base nutes. DG offers two and if you're in the dirt, only one is needed. GH offers 2 or 3 bottle base nute programs and H&G's Aqua Flakes is just 2 bottles from start to finish. Why is it that every other plant food company can put all their minerals into 1, 2 or even 3 bottles yet AN wants to sell you 4?

i'm sure 12 hours will give you plenty of time to photoshop some pics or make up another excuse for why you burnt the shit out of you Connoisseur run when relative newb growers are getting fantastic results with Connoisseur. if you burnt them...then it was grower error. don't blame the nute...it was you. and if you wanna start a pissing contest then go start your own thread. stop hijacking every AN thread that pops up on the forum. you wanna get into a picture conteat then start a thread and send me a link.

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I don't own photoshop, I'm waiting for my lights to go out. Are you posting pics with a dated piece of paper in the photo or what Phil? Are you calling me out and then backing out? Quit flapping your gums with empty, sh*t talking posts and man-the-ef-up.

backyardagain said:

All good scooby, but isnt yellowing near the very end normal anyways, cant see the pic you posted on android but not every leaf is gonna be green throught the grow. Ive been yankin the stragllers and dyin ones. I just dont understand the hate towards advance. Who cares if their price is a bit more if its outta your range dont talk smack on stuff you cant afford. As for me im fine with actually putting money in all aspects including nutes, as for quanity I dont need a gallon of everything I can manage with the smallest bottles seeing as I only do 3_4 plants at a time. I just dont understand the fact that people have to bash other companies on useless stuff, im just gettin annoyed of all the hate towards a product that works for basically everyone. But oh welll time to toke check the bavies before lights out and im done for now. Tuesday ill have the nuets and ecry th ing so will update with pics then.

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hey backyard,

some guys have different opinions on this but mine is that you should have healthy leaves all the way through harvest. your leaves should be green and vibrant the day you chop the plant down. the main reason you leaves yellowing off and hardening i think is because there seems to be a idea that you need to flush your plants before harvest. i don't know where it came from but i think it's become popular for 2 reasons...1 is that with the growth of mmj and growers there are just tons of nutrients and additives out and some of them are extremely high in salts. those salt buildups do cause a harsh smoke if the bud is not dried and cured correctly. reason 2 is most guys are pushing commercial crops to their limits and want their product as quickly as possible. so they don't want to cure their buds for long periods of time. even closet growers want to start smoking their buds as soon as possible so people have started to flush their plants in an attempt to speed up the process. i think it does more harm than good. a lot of growers don't understand you should be feeding your plants up until harvest. i'm not saying push the ppm's to the max...you need to understand the plant and learn how to back off the nutes late in flower when the plant doesn't need near the amount of nutes as it does in mid-flower. for example...by the last week of flower i am usually around half the ppm's i was at the peak of flower.

i agree with the principal behind what these guys are saying. if someone could produce better buds for cheaper then i'm all for it. that's why i switched in soil to a tea and 2 part nute with NO additives. but those who keep talking about how expensive AN is because you have to buy ALL of their additives are wrong. first off, the base nutes are pretty much the same price as everyone else's. and just like every other nute company they have a ton of additives. doesn't mean you have to use them all. if you understand base and micro nutes and know how to read your plants then you can use almost any lineup (including AN) for the same price; and that's including additives. there's a whole witchunt on for AN cause they are very "advertising" driven and their owners are all over the place. don't get me wrong...a lot of their stuff is CRAP and big mike just looks like a fucking tool. but you can't hate on them just because they are trying to sell their products. it's a business. that's just the problem though...it's counter culture to what most growers believe in so they get a bad wrap in the community. plus...you have a TON of people that are just regurjitating and repeating what they hear at their grow store or in online forums. i'd say 85% of the AN bashing is done by growers who have never tried AN and probably couldn't name half the micro nutes or tell you what ppm's they run their strains at. they're just posers blindly following what others say to try and sound like everyone else.

to each their own though.

Well at this point in time I cannot tell you my ppm, or ec or ph(welljust got the cheap ph tester with the water type one was like 5 bucks got mid through flowering and my planta didnt start to yellow till I messed with the ph lmao) but im getting these for next grow. This is still my firat grow and still peicing it together somewhat. If I had the room I also wanna try the canna nutes,

Aye bigbad homebrew gtfo my shit and go troll somewhere else ive had enoigh of your shit talkin om advance and everything ppl gotta say about end of day im getting what I feel will work.

backyardagain said:

Well at this point in time I cannot tell you my ppm, or ec or ph(welljust got the cheap ph tester with the water type one was like 5 bucks got mid through flowering and my planta didnt start to yellow till I messed with the ph lmao) but im getting these for next grow. This is still my firat grow and still peicing it together somewhat. If I had the room I also wanna try the canna nutes,

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yea, get a pH/ppm meter and start adjusting your feedings based on a ppm schedule. it will really dial your plants in and let you get the most out of them. you basically can push your plants to their limits and once you find those limits for each strain you'll be able to go entire grows without any issues at all. also, don't try out too much stuff at once. it will just become a mess. if you wanna try a nute lineup then run a few plants on it and do it for 2-3 grows. that will let you dial the lineup in before making a judgement on it. when i first starting using AN it took me almost 3 full harvests to get everything dialed in with their lineup and my plants. different nutes means different ppm levels.

He might be a rep whore, thinking ill rep for deturing me from getting adcance and getting dyna. Its not like my title says what line up to get it specificly say taking a plunge in advane nutirents... I mean forreal can you be anymore childish and a troll.

As for the ph ppm id there a combo one I can get? And for this grow I havnt documented every day but I got it on a weekly secheudual. But as for nutes I started 1/4 strenght for the first 3 waterings then stright water for 2 then I did 1/2 strenght tg times and so on till im at 5/4 strenght(very very weak nutes. Low low low npk ratios so far its been looking good next nutefeedimg is coming up. Imight just try the advance first then or actually technaflora maybe idk I only need to get grow ab and b52 and if they have the smallest voodoo then that too any th ing else from advance good for root/veg stage? I think I got down what I want for flower but I dont have to worry about that for atleast a month

backyardagain said:

He might be a rep whore, thinking ill rep for deturing me from getting adcance and getting dyna. Its not like my title says what line up to get it specificly say taking a plunge in advane nutirents... I mean forreal can you be anymore childish and a troll.

As for the ph ppm id there a combo one I can get? And for this grow I havnt documented every day but I got it on a weekly secheudual. But as for nutes I started 1/4 strenght for the first 3 waterings then stright water for 2 then I did 1/2 strenght tg times and so on till im at 5/4 strenght(very very weak nutes. Low low low npk ratios so far its been looking good next nutefeedimg is coming up. Imight just try the advance first then or actually technaflora maybe idk I only need to get grow ab and b52 and if they have the smallest voodoo then that too any th ing else from advance good for root/veg stage? I think I got down what I want for flower but I dont have to worry about that for atleast a month

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lol...i doubt he does it for it rep. that's funny though.

i would look at the hanna growchek or the bluelab meters. they are both good.this is the one i use and i love it (http://www.greners.com/i/meters-timers/meters/combination-meters/grochek-ph-ec-tds-c-meter-w-cal-check-feature.html). also, here is a page with a bunch of them (http://www.greners.com/i/meters-timers/meters/combination-meters.html).

for seedlings or unrooted clones i just use thrive alive at about 150ppm. i use r/o water so i like giving them a little something. i'm gonna try out roots excelurator from house and garden soon though. some guys really seem to like it. for veg i use just sensi 2 part and voodoo juice if you are going that route. because i use r/o water i also have to use a little botanicare cal/mag plus every once and a while.

Takin a quick look at thoses prices man that gonna be my whole check for more soil veg set of nutes and and a meter. LOL oh well I need ot to advance(no pun intended) in growing anyways as for like a pen or like a dip meter I guess you would call ot? Which would be better?

ScoobyDoobyDoo said:

are you serious? you are comparing a 2 part and a 1 part nutrient. based on your logic i can say that AN is 40% cheaper than Dyna because i get 2 gallons for $70 and you get 2 gallons for $100. check your logic man. seriously. like arguing with a 5 year old.

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I'm looking at the contribution of 1ml into 1 gallon of water, aka, how concentrated a formula is. Between the two parts, Connoisseur averages 70ppm per ml per gallon (.7 scale). Aqua Flakes averages 84 ppm per ml per gallon. My chosen food is 110+ ppm per ml per gallon.

So to make this easy for you to understand, I would need 10mls/gallon of connoisseur or 8.3 mls/gallon of Aqua Flakes or 6.36 mls/gallon of DG. Factor in the cost of each ml and now you're starting to understand the cost of your grow.

you might actually want to go back and re-read the posts. you called me out. lmao. man...you make it too easy. you mad bro? like i said before clown...open a thread and send me the link cause i'm tired of you hijacking other people's threads to spread false information. if it looks like a shill, and quakes like a shill, well....you know the rest.

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This is what you said to Dickhead:

ScoobyDoobyDoo said:

post some actual bud pics so we can see how well you grow. if not, then your opinion doesn't mean shit. i already know what your plants look like just based on your comments here on RIU. this should be a good laugh.

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This is what you said to me:

ScoobyDoobyDoo said:

i've posted hundreds of bud pics on this site. go find them yourself. post some pics of your plants with something indicating that it is today. i posted some badass buds that i grew with advanced and you still talked shit. everyone else disagreed with you but you just had to make a point. what you really ended up soing was making yourself look like an ass. post some more pics of your grow homebrewer. i wanna see where your plants are at right now. i also want proof that it is from today. we all know how you like to use the same pics over and over again.

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So lets do this Phil. Prove to everyone here that your opinion is worthy of being voiced outside 'Toke and Talk' and that you're currently flowering beautiful plants.

and for the LOVE of GOD can we please stop talking about what or how often i post in toke and talk. as if this has any bearing on my ability to grow a healthy mj plant. what are you trying to say...that there are no qualified growers in toke and talk? please explain this to me cause a few of my buddies over there would beg to differ. u hating on my life or something? i have tons of free time, i don't watch TV. i like being at home most of the time. if you lived in any one of my houses you might feel the same way. pathetic attempts by you to draw attention away from the real subject.

Here's the thread Phil. We're posting photos of plants with a piece of paper in them indicating today's date. Can you grow as well as you talk sh*t?

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/533449-picture-journal.html#post7516577

i wonder why homebrewer never answers my questions?

Phil, can you pull yourself away from Toke and Talk for a few minutes to post some pics in the thread I started?

can everyone please go over to this thread and look at the pictures that homebrewer posted. look very closely at the paper with the date on it. does it look photoshopped to you?

also, can homebrewer answer my questions posted above. you should have plenty of time. it's 12 noon here and my lights don't come on till 7pm so you can answer some fo the questions posted above. like how is it that every other grower (even the ones you say you respect) says my last harvest looked great but you talked shit about them. can you also explain why all of your pics look the exact same? especially the wide angle shots of.

ScoobyDoobyDoo said:

lol...i doubt he does it for it rep. that's funny though.

i would look at the hanna growchek or the bluelab meters. they are both good.this is the one i use and i love it (http://www.greners.com/i/meters-timers/meters/combination-meters/grochek-ph-ec-tds-c-meter-w-cal-check-feature.html). also, here is a page with a bunch of them (http://www.greners.com/i/meters-timers/meters/combination-meters.html).

for seedlings or unrooted clones i just use thrive alive at about 150ppm. i use r/o water so i like giving them a little something. i'm gonna try out roots excelurator from house and garden soon though. some guys really seem to like it. for veg i use just sensi 2 part and voodoo juice if you are going that route. because i use r/o water i also have to use a little botanicare cal/mag plus every once and a while.

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Hey scooby i thought for cal mag you're suppose to use it for every feeding especially with R/O? i use tap water and i use about 4ml per gal of that cal mag everytime i feed. is that too much?

kamie said:

Hey scooby i thought for cal mag you're suppose to use it for every feeding especially with R/O? i use tap water and i use about 4ml per gal of that cal mag everytime i feed. is that too much?

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it all depends on your water source and the nutrients you are using. you don't have to automatically add cal/mag to every watering. even though i use and r/o filter i find that sensi and connoisseur have good amounts of calcium and madnesium and i really don't need much cal mag. if anything you should be using a meter to test the ppm of cal/mag you are adding. i could't tell you what 4ml would do to a gallon of water. doesn't sound like much ate all though. i would lay off the cal/mag for a while and se if you notice any changes. the problem i have seen is that too much cal can lead to lockout issues for K.

ScoobyDoobyDoo said:

can everyone please go over to this thread and look at the pictures that homebrewer posted. look very closely at the paper with the date on it. does it look photoshopped to you?

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Really? You think I photo-shopped a dog bone-shaped piece of paper with today's date on it into 14 pictures? I told you I don't own photoshop but whatever, I know where this is going.

like how is it that every other grower (even the ones you say you respect) says my last harvest looked great but you talked shit about them.

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My comments about those pics are in another thread. Read them again if you're confused.

can you also explain why all of your pics look the exact same? especially the wide angle shots of.

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How do my pics look the same? All those plants were in the same room shot with the same camera, does that answer your question?

Why are you cluttering up this thread? If you have questions about my photos or decide to man-up and post some yourself, there is a new place for that here: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journal...ml#post7516577

bunch of shit talkers. for the starter of this thread... i use connoisseur.. no heavier than 9ml per gallon or it burns up the place. for additives i think there best shit is big bud and b52. i also am using voodoo juice, i dont use the pharana and tarantula, i use orca and roots excell. as far as the ph perfect goes... i heard you have to run the recommended dose on the bottle and this is why i wont try it.. 4mls per liter is too much..

and to the jackass shit talking AN haters... if you run 16mls of sensi 2 part, then your a dumb shit that doesnt check ppm. ADvanced likes to make money... so do all companies.. if you read the bottles and use the recommended dose and your not using the ph perfect, your going to fry the place down with a 2k ppm. so you wasted your money and your results sucked... because your a noob and fried your plants. stick to your dynagrow. id like to see you pull 2 pounds with some dynagrow, fucking joke. and to the guy saying the H&g is more concentrated than AN connoisseur... my buddy uses house and garden and cranks 12 mls a gallon and it spits him right around 1300ppms. if i use 12mls with conni. im right about 1800 ppms... im not a rocket scientist.. but that sounds like your full of shit

thanks pat, yea im still doing research on the ph perfect line up but will most likey go with the sensi 2 part with b52 voodoo if i get the funds and maybe a few of the blood bud and stuff liek that fo rthend.

if you stick to the basics.. 2 part, big bud, b52, and some voodoo for your roots.. your going to do just fine buddy.

if you have a nice ph\ppm pen... blue lab is what i recommend.. you should go with the non ph perfect. it will save you some bucks.. you really only need half of what they call for.. start at 35-40 percent and go from there. less is more. good luck