The 24 Types of Libertarian

doc111 said:

Yes, you are correct.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cretin


I had to do a bit of research but I've come to the conclusion that the term "cretin" is in fact a personal attack.


https://www.rollitup.org/support/18362-personal-attacks-will-not-tolerated.html

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Do you want to be that kind of guy?

Oh no, I insinuated that you were being "that kind of guy"?

It is ironic that you are espousing political correct nonsense on a very generic statement.

Yes, I think conservatism is idiotic and I do think that people who believe in conservatism are cretins.

If this site or you cannot handle that, than so be it.

Find something better to do with your time than bother other posters with these kinds of banal retorts.

BuddhaDawg said:

Do you want to be that kind of guy?

Oh no, I insinuated that you were being "that kind of guy"?

It is ironic that you are espousing political correct nonsense on a very generic statement.

Yes, I think conservatism is idiotic and I do think that people who believe in conservatism are cretins.

If this site or you cannot handle that, than so be it.

Find something better to do with your time than bother other posters with these kinds of banal retorts.

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What specifically makes Conservatism idiotic?

I suspect it's the fact that a Conservative tsunami is coming and your pussy is already sore.

We 'cretins' are preparing to mop the floor with Elitists douche bags who think they know better.

The Messiah's destructive agenda is about to be stopped in its tracks.

Progressive dog washers such as yourself will cry foul and hilarity will ensue.

Johnnyorganic said:

What specifically makes Conservatism idiotic?

I suspect it's the fact that a Conservative tsunami is coming and your pussy is already sore.

We 'cretins' are preparing to mop the floor with Elitists douche bags who think they know better.

The Messiah's destructive agenda is about to be stopped in its tracks.

Progressive dog washers such as yourself will cry foul and hilarity will ensue.

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Jumping the Shark since 4/20/2010

Your tagline is fits you nicely. Excellent job.

BuddhaDawg said:

Your tagline is fits you nicely. Excellent job.

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Typical.

Nothing substantive to add. Just some vague, random comment which has no bearing on the topic.

Apparently you have no idea what I am referencing in my sig.

I suppose I was expecting too much.

The teabaggers have spent the primary season purifying the Republican party. And though they are not done, not by a long shot, the primaries are almost over.

Capitol hill, governorships, and countless down ballot-seats are next in line.

And the Proggies know it, too. I see it every day in the emails I receive from MoveOn, OFA, the DSCC, and the Democratic Party. Each successive message is more indignant and desperate than the last.

You should stock up on Vagisil now.

Johnnyorganic said:

What specifically makes Conservatism idiotic?

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Supply side economics
anti-abortion
anti-homosexual
anti-evolution
afraid of modernism
static Constitution
no gov't regulation
lack of gun control
lack of environmental concerns
silly fear tactics
American Exceptionalism
"War on Terror"
Tax cuts for the wealthiest
Health care policy
Religiosity
Hatred of gov't
War on Drugs
anti-feminist
anti-humanist
against anti-discriminatory policy
And take a look at who represents the conservative movement in the US

Not every conservative will tow the line. These are just a few reasons why conservatism is an idiotic philosophy.

I do not know why I am wasting my time with you, it is not like I am going to reach you, or you are going to say anything but some crude rant. I left this board a couple of weeks ago because of the inane back and forth with lovely people like yourself. Have a nice life, Fonzi.

Supply side economics

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QFT! It's like having a rootbeer float and denying that ice cream is as important as the rootbeer.

BuddhaDawg said:

Supply side economics
anti-abortion
anti-homosexual
anti-evolution
afraid of modernism
static Constitution
no gov't regulation
lack of gun control
lack of environmental concerns
silly fear tactics
American Exceptionalism
"War on Terror"
Tax cuts for the wealthiest
Health care policy
Religiosity
Hatred of gov't
War on Drugs
anti-feminist
anti-humanist
against anti-discriminatory policy
And take a look at who represents the conservative movement in the US

Not every conservative will tow the line. These are just a few reasons why conservatism is an idiotic philosophy.

I do not know why I am wasting my time with you, it is not like I am going to reach you, or you are going to say anything but some crude rant. I left this board a couple of weeks ago because of the inane back and forth with lovely people like yourself. Have a nice life, Fonzi.

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Finally! Something substantive. Woefully ignorant, but substantive all the same. Although I see you could not resist attempting to malign my character. You stay classy!

The free market has pulled more people out of poverty and created more wealth than any other economic model. It is the Keynesian model which does not work.

"Abortion, homophobia, religiosity, and creationism" are products of the Religious Right and have corrupted the Republican Party and have no bearing on Conservative values.

Republicans love regulation as much as Democrats. Conservatives desire limited government.

A Constitution which can be amended is not static. What Conservatives object to is the Progressive interpretation of what 'living and breathing' means in reference to the document. Which would not be an issues if the courts referenced the actual Constitution instead of case law.

Gun control is the road to tyranny. Next!

A Conservative "lack of environmental concerns" is simply another Progressive fantasy, just like man made climate change. You can't have Conservative without conserve.

"Silly fear tactics." Uh, have you listed to your Dear Leader lately?

Americans are exceptional. Deal with it.

Democrats were on board with the "War on Terror," too, if you recall. Do you prefer "War on Islam?"

"Tax on the Wealthiest." Another Progressive fantasy. How about Tax cuts for everybody? Including those who don't pay taxes.

"Health care policy." America has the best health care in the world. Democrats could not stand that so they are destroying it.

There is a difference between "hatred of government" and hatred of out of control and oppressive government.

The War on Drugs is supported by the Democrats, too. Cannabis Prohibition started under a Democrat.

Not "anti-feminist." Anti-feminazi.

"Afraid of Modernism?" Whatever. "Anti-humanist." Uh, okay. If it's some squishy, pseudo-intellectual term somebody heard in the liberal arts department, Conservatives are against it. LOL!

What Conservative advocates discrimination? If you say 'Rand Paul,' you did not listen to what he actually said. You are merely parroting something you heard on MSNBC. The Democrats seem to be much more in love with discrimination, as long as it is against the 'correct' population.

I can look at who represents the Conservative movement by looking in a mirror. Your point?

If I am the Fonz, that makes you Jenny Piccolo.

The free market has pulled more people out of poverty and created more wealth than any other economic model. It is the Keynesian model which does not work.

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But the "Keynesian" model is all about the free market. Just because you see politicians and their talking heads spouting the words keynesian anytime they are arguing politics doesn't make it true.

Keynes just married the old models (the supply side models) with a demand side being as important. You even say the word "Market" it implies two sides to be able to trade. Before the great depression the demand side was not really important, and they only examined the supply side really, meaning supply will determine the demand.

Which we know is not the case.

hanimmal said:

But the "Keynesian" model is all about the free market. Just because you see politicians and their talking heads spouting the words keynesian anytime they are arguing politics doesn't make it true.

Keynes just married the old models (the supply side models) with a demand side being as important. You even say the word "Market" it implies two sides to be able to trade. Before the great depression the demand side was not really important, and they only examined the supply side really, meaning supply will determine the demand.

Which we know is not the case.

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An economy which is centrally controlled is not free.

Progressive attempts command the economy to perform according to their expectations is completely counter-intuitive to the concept of the free market. In other words, it is doomed to fail.

Progressive Corporatism is driving our economy out of the ditch and off the cliff.

The Keynesian model failed during the Great Depression and it is failing now.

But Progressives understand this because they must destroy our economy in order to save it. The My Lai economic theory.

The keynesian model was not developed until after the great depression, and has nothing to do with a command economy. Your mistaken politicians for economics. Which is a lot of the problem I see with both sides of the isle.

hanimmal said:

The keynesian model was not developed until after the great depression, and has nothing to do with a command economy. Your mistaken politicians for economics. Which is a lot of the problem I see with both sides of the isle.

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If you insist on splitting hairs I will rephrase:

Government could not spend itself out of the Great Depression any more than it can spend us out of the Great Recession.

One can't borrow and spend oneself into prosperity with one's personal finances; what makes you think government spending is any different?

If only politics could stay out of the economy. All the government need do is get out of the way and stand back. The economy would roar back.

Johnnyorganic said:

But Progressives understand this because they must destroy our economy in order to save it. The My Lai economic theory.

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What about the fact the stock market has come up since Obama came into office and unemployment has stabilized since Oct 2009? Or is it just more conveinient to "forget" the economy was tanking before he came into office, and has been getting better since?

Johnnyorganic said:

One can't borrow and spend oneself into prosperity with one's personal finances; what makes you think government spending is any different?

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i think you are forgetting the difference between borrowing to spend (bad idea) and borrowing to invest (good idea). just to provide a counterexample in my personal finances, i borrowed well over $1000 from my credit card company, invested it in a nice grow setup, and stopped paying for $300 ounces. it took a while to pay itself back, but a few years down the line i now pay my rent with that thing.

so you're right: you can't spend your way into prosperity. you can invest your way into it. and just like the grow setup took a good while to pay itself back, so too will investments we are making in our own infrastructure take time to pay themselves back. you are a smart guy, i know you know this but choose to make the self-serving conservative talking point anyway. preying on american impatience and anxiety does not seem the most honest way to win an election, but it sure is working.

Johnnyorganic said:

If only politics could stay out of the economy. All the government need do is get out of the way and stand back. The economy would roar back.

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hahaha....herbert hoover would be proud of you!

HomeGrown&Smoked said:

What about the fact the stock market has come up since Obama came into office and unemployment has stabilized since Oct 2009? Or is it just more conveinient to "forget" the economy was tanking before he came into office, and has been getting better since?

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Oh, yeah. I forgot. It's all Bush's fault. Obama inherited a problem he vigorously campaigned for, for two years.

The TARP bailout stabilized the market, and was passed by a Democratic Congress and signed by Bush. It was artificial, just as the stabilization you mention was a short-lived and artificial result of the Porkulus package, Cash for Clunkers, and the Home Buyers Tax Incentive. Once the government cheese disappeared, so did any benefit to the economy. In fact, it made things worse because it stole economic activity form the future. Which is why we are entering the next dip of of the "W' shaped recession. And we get to look forward to the Obama Tax Increase after the first of the year.

Yeah, stabilized. 9.6% unemployment as opposed to 10%. Awesome. Private sector job keep disappearing, but no mention of that from disciples of The Chosen One.

Obama hates business. Pay attention to his actions, not what is on the teleprompter. He and his circle of advisers have the least amount of experience in the private sector of any administration ever.

Uncertainty is killing our economy. American businesses are sitting on two trillion dollars in assets. They have spent the great recession retooling and streamlining their businesses instead of hiring and expanding. They have no idea what to expect from a leader who referred to the paltry amount of time he spent in the private sector as being in "enemy territory."

Business leaders understand that Progressive hate and fear the private sector. They are hunkered down and waiting for the climate to improve.

UncleBuck said:

i think you are forgetting the difference between borrowing to spend (bad idea) and borrowing to invest (good idea). just to provide a counterexample in my personal finances, i borrowed well over $1000 from my credit card company, invested it in a nice grow setup, and stopped paying for $300 ounces. it took a while to pay itself back, but a few years down the line i now pay my rent with that thing.

so you're right: you can't spend your way into prosperity. you can invest your way into it. and just like the grow setup took a good while to pay itself back, so too will investments we are making in our own infrastructure take time to pay themselves back. you are a smart guy, i know you know this but choose to make the self-serving conservative talking point anyway. preying on american impatience and anxiety does not seem the most honest way to win an election, but it sure is working.

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Newspeak does not work on me.

Spending and investing are two different things.

Most of what Progressives call 'investing' is nothing of the sort, but it is more palatable than the word 'spending.'

Businesses invest. Individuals invest. Government spends.

Investment brings tangible returns. Most spending brings only instant gratification.

UncleBuck said:

hahaha....herbert hoover would be proud of you!

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Another Progressive fantasy. If only Hoover had done that. His meddling with the economy only made the situation more grave.

Johnnyorganic said:

Oh, yeah. I forgot. It's all Bush's fault. Obama inherited a problem he vigorously campaigned for, for two years.

The TARP bailout stabilized the market, and was passed by a Democratic Congress and signed by Bush. It was artificial, just as the stabilization you mention was a short-lived and artificial result of the Porkulus package, Cash for Clunkers, and the Home Buyers Tax Incentive. Once the government cheese disappeared, so did any benefit to the economy. In fact, it made things worse because it stole economic activity form the future. Which is why we are entering the next dip of of the "W' shaped recession. And we get to look forward to the Obama Tax Increase after the first of the year.

Yeah, stabilized. 9.6% unemployment as opposed to 10%. Awesome. Private sector job keep disappearing, but no mention of that from disciples of The Chosen One.

Obama hates business. Pay attention to his actions, not what is on the teleprompter. He and his circle of advisers have the least amount of experience in the private sector of any administration ever.

Uncertainty is killing our economy. American businesses are sitting on two trillion dollars in assets. They have spent the great recession retooling and streamlining their businesses instead of hiring and expanding. They have no idea what to expect from a leader who referred to the paltry amount of time he spent in the private sector as being in "enemy territory."

Business leaders understand that Progressive hate and fear the private sector. They are hunkered down and waiting for the climate to improve.

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Nice job of dancing around the question. What do you have to say of the deregulation of the housing market under bush's watch that let the financial meltdown to begin with? Obama time machine?

Interesting how you can see the 'W' before it even starts- did you see the collapse before it began? If not, how can you expect to see a drop that hasn't happened yet? Insofar as the tax increase- how do you propose to pay towards the national deficit? Not liking the President isn't a currency- if it were I would have been a very rich man during the bush administration.

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Nice job of dancing around the question. What do you have to say of the deregulation of the housing market under bush's watch that let the financial meltdown to begin with? Obama time machine?

Interesting how you can see the 'W' before it even starts- did you see the collapse before it began? If not, how can you expect to see a drop that hasn't happened yet? Insofar as the tax increase- how do you propose to pay towards the national deficit? Not liking the President isn't a currency- if it were I would have been a very rich man during the bush administration.

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What deregulation? The Republicans tried to restrain Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac in 2005 and 2006, but were roundly rejected by the Democrats.

It was government interference in the housing market begun during the Clinton Administration that caused it to overheat. If Progressives had not insisted that government guarantee home loans to people who had no business being homeowners, the market would not have collapsed when the economy stumbled. Even the New York Times agreed.

The tax cuts are not the source of the deficit, excessive spending is. Tax cuts actually increase government revenue. Even Obama admitted this in an interview, but to him it is a question of 'fairness,' rather than funding legitimate functions of government.

And the double-dip has already started, but Progressives will refuse to recognize it until the Republicans are in charge of Congress.

You won't be able to spend that 'currency' either.

Johnnyorganic said:

Businesses invest. Individuals invest. Government spends.

Investment brings tangible returns. Most spending brings only instant gratification.

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surely you must be able to name a government project or two that is genuinely classifiable as investment.

if you'd like, i can do it for you. just thought i'd have the decency to let you be honest about it first.

UncleBuck said:

surely you must be able to name a government project or two that is genuinely classifiable as investment.

if you'd like, i can do it for you. just thought i'd have the decency to let you be honest about it first.

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Almost anything Constitutional could be classified as investment spending.

Transportation is an example. So building and maintaining airports, roads, and bridges meets the definition of investment in this instance. And we pay plenty of transportation-related taxes to do this. No borrowing should be required.

However, I object to the way the Federal government attaches conditions to the states contingent to most funding. I consider that Federal meddling with state sovereignty.

The TARP bailout stabilized the market, and was passed by a Democratic Congress and signed by Bush. It was artificial, just as the stabilization you mention was a short-lived and artificial result of the Porkulus package, Cash for Clunkers, and the Home Buyers Tax Incentive. Once the government cheese disappeared, so did any benefit to the economy. In fact, it made things worse because it stole economic activity form the future. Which is why we are entering the next dip of of the "W' shaped recession. And we get to look forward to the Obama Tax Increase after the first of the year.

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How do you determine that once these programs stopped all the benefits stopped?

Do you not see that by allowing the cash for clunkers stimulus, those people that worked for those auto dealerships had a good couple months or so of relief. That even though all those sales stopped, you have allowed them to build up a little savings and pay off some past debt in order to scale down their spending longer term.

Do you not think about what happens when ever over the next year or so that they spend the money they earned by selling those cars? That is money that goes into a company so that they can use it to not only buy new goods to sell, but also into wages, rents, bills, ect. That is money that is circulating the economy in a very real way. And just because the auto dealerships are not selling as many cars afterwards, does not mean that the benefits of the original stimulus stops.

We are only at the cusp of another dip because of people like yourself spouting we do exactly what they did to deepen the great depression, cut spending, and if they allow the bush tax cuts to expire, surprise there is your raising of taxes, both are out of Obamas hands. Allowing you and the rest of the base you make up to point that it is Obamas fault, when in reality this has nothing to do with his policies.

What deregulation? The Republicans tried to restrain Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac in 2005 and 2006, but were roundly rejected by the Democrats.

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The whole blaming this on Fanny and Freddie is played out. You should read some real information on this and not buy into the political garbage so much.

Yeah, stabilized. 9.6% unemployment as opposed to 10%. Awesome. Private sector job keep disappearing, but no mention of that from disciples of The Chosen One.

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I love that Obama gets blamed by you guys for something that was increasing very fast before he was in office. The guy took office at the end of January so basically Feb, which was when jobless claims hit their peak, and after one month you see the new claims trend turn around. But yeah this is all on Obama.

Obama hates business. Pay attention to his actions, not what is on the teleprompter. He and his circle of advisers have the least amount of experience in the private sector of any administration ever.

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Love absolutes. Because they are complete horseshit. Funny isn't it that the 80billion in small business loans was never really mentioned, or the tax writeoffs for all businesses investment that he just announced, on and on. He has done a ton for businesses, but whatever if you made it this far believing this what can I say that will change your mind.

The tax cuts are not the source of the deficit, excessive spending is. Tax cuts actually increase government revenue. Even Obama admitted this in an interview, but to him it is a question of 'fairness,' rather than funding legitimate functions of government.

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The tax revenues going up is not true, there have been many studies on this, the amount gained from business growth is not enough to offset the losses. And I am not saying tax cuts are bad things, they are very needed at the right times, and a good balance of them should be struck, but the notion that cutting taxes will bring in more revenue is proven to be wrong.