The Bin Laden Discussion Thread

[UncleBuck]

I read it online fagget.
appriciate the fucking info i give out,maybe u cant read but i can and im doing u a favor

you misspelled "faggot".

you fucking jabrone.

 

[doc111]

Why Does The "OFFICIAL" Story About The Bin Laden Raid Keep Changing? Ex-CIA Dir Woolsey


[video=youtube;52EAIr0Qkn8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52EAIr0Qkn8[/video]



Bin Laden Story Changes Again


[video=youtube;wcLxZHtWqsY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcLxZHtWqsY[/video]

Being a veteran of the fire service I dealt with the media on an almost daily basis. Whenever we had a major incident the media would always get some of the details wrong. You always have layers of people who the information has to go through. For whatever reason the info is misinterpreted or misunderstood or just recorded incorrectly. Sometimes the people giving out the information (there is almost always an office or person responsible for disseminating information to the media and the public) get it wrong since they are rarely involved in the incident themselves. In this particular case you are dealing with a top secret operation with the U.S.A.'s most secret military unit. Stuff is going to be leaked by accident and information has to be filtered by people who make the decision what can and what cannot be told to the media and the public. They may even be disseminating misinformation in an effort to not tip their hand to the enemy. Not saying any of this is the case here, but look at any major incident and ask yourself how often information changes as the media gets more information and recants false or mistaken information.

 

[ChronicObsession]

Uhhhh huhhhhhhh... GOOOD JOB AMERRRWICA

 

[ChronicObsession]

 

[ChronicObsession]

 

[ChronicObsession]

awww, *They* deleted my penis-head Osama. That one was worth a thousand words! And relevant too, because this is the Osama thread

 

[doc111]

awww, *They* deleted my penis-head Osama. That one was worth a thousand words! And relevant too, because this is the Osama thread

That's because this is an ADULT discussion thread.

 

[jeff f]

Being a veteran of the fire service I dealt with the media on an almost daily basis. Whenever we had a major incident the media would always get some of the details wrong. You always have layers of people who the information has to go through. For whatever reason the info is misinterpreted or misunderstood or just recorded incorrectly. Sometimes the people giving out the information (there is almost always an office or person responsible for disseminating information to the media and the public) get it wrong since they are rarely involved in the incident themselves. In this particular case you are dealing with a top secret operation with the U.S.A.'s most secret military unit. Stuff is going to be leaked by accident and information has to be filtered by people who make the decision what can and what cannot be told to the media and the public. They may even be disseminating misinformation in an effort to not tip their hand to the enemy. Not saying any of this is the case here, but look at any major incident and ask yourself how often information changes as the media gets more information and recants false or mistaken information.

i always love to hear the reports when a plane goes down. after working on them for 20 yrs it is astonishing how many reporters dont even know where the wings are located.

and then the dumbasses will try to get technical like talking about hydraulics and such....then it really goes south.

no doubt about the misinformation too. was involved in a few accident investigations. when i saw the "official" results....yikes

 

[canuckgrow]

Still want to know why it took so long to track him down and get him? And why not bring him back to American soil to stand trial? Some may not like my opinion but I find it distastefull to celebrate the death of someone who never even stood trial for the crimes he was accused of commiting. I think that violates basic human rights that we all have and can't be taken away...'er at least shouldn't be taken away.
Not saying he didn't do what he was accused of but shitballs there needs to be a trial no? Otherwise its open season then who is in charge?

 

[0calli]

Hahaha the most wanted man in the world and we get him and bury him at sea hmmmmmmmm i wounder i smell bull schiezer

 

[0calli]

Well spoken i agree

 

[doc111]

Still want to know why it took so long to track him down and get him? And why not bring him back to American soil to stand trial? Some may not like my opinion but I find it distastefull to celebrate the death of someone who never even stood trial for the crimes he was accused of commiting. I think that violates basic human rights that we all have and can't be taken away...'er at least shouldn't be taken away.
Not saying he didn't do what he was accused of but shitballs there needs to be a trial no? Otherwise its open season then who is in charge?

I agree with pretty much everything you said. Good post! I am troubled by many of the details surrounding this operation. I won't go so far as to say it's a conspiracy or anything but I think they didn't really think this through. On the other side of the coin, it saved us the potential problems that would've surely come with incarcerating and trying him. There's the money that a trial would've cost (which would've been astronomical and surely the largest media circus in the history of the planet). If we would've captured him that would've made him a bargaining chip for al Qaeda. Burying him on land could've also given his followers a martyr's shrine. I'm not sure what the best answer is. Personally, I think we should've captured him and put him on trial. After all, he is/was a human being, albeit a despicable one, he still should've been captured alive if at all possible.

 

[doc111]

I just came acrossed this article today. It's pretty interesting and not surprising at all (at least not surprising to me).

http://news.yahoo.com/correcting-fairy-tale-seal-account-osama-bin-laden-054233289.html

Correcting the ‘fairy tale’: A SEAL’s account of how Osama bin Laden really died

Forget whatever you think you know about the night Osama bin Laden was killed. According to a former Navy SEAL who claims to have the inside track, the mangled tales told of that historic night have only now been corrected.
“It became obvious in the weeks evolving after the mission that the story that was getting put out there was not only untrue, but it was a really ugly farce of what did happen,” said Chuck Pfarrer, author of Seal Target Geronimo: The Inside Story of the Mission to Kill Osama Bin Laden.
In an extensive interview with The Daily Caller, Pfarrer gave a detailed account of why he believes the record needed to be corrected, and why he set out to share the personal stories of the warriors who penetrated bin Laden’s long-secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.
In August the New Yorker delivered a riveting blow-by-blow of the SEALs’ May 1, 2011 raid on bin Laden’s hideaway. In that account, later reported to lack contributions from the SEALs involved, readers are taken through a mission that began with a top-secret helicopter crashing and led to a bottom-up assault of the Abbottabad compound.
Freelancer Nicholas Schmidle wrote that the SEALs had shot and blasted their way up floor-by-floor, finally cornering the bewildered Al-Qaida leader:

“The Al Qaeda chief, who was wearing a tan shalwar kameez and a prayer cap on his head, froze; he was unarmed. ‘There was never any question of detaining or capturing him—it wasn’t a split-second decision. No one wanted detainees,’ the special-operations officer told me. (The Administration maintains that had bin Laden immediately surrendered he could have been taken alive.) Nine years, seven months, and twenty days after September 11th, an American was a trigger pull from ending bin Laden’s life. The first round, a 5.56-mm. bullet, struck bin Laden in the chest. As he fell backward, the SEAL fired a second round into his head, just above his left eye.”
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Chuck Pfarrer rejects almost all of that story.
“The version of the 45-minute firefight, and the ground-up assault, and the cold-blooded murder on the third floor — that wasn’t the mission,” Pfarrer told TheDC.
“I had to try and figure out, well, look: Why is this story not what I’m hearing? Why is it so off and how is it so off?” he recounted. “One of the things I sort of determined was, OK, somebody was told ‘one of the insertion helicopters crashed.’ OK, well that got muddled to ‘a helicopter crashed on insertion.’”
The helicopters, called “Stealth Hawks,” are inconspicuous machines concealing cutting-edge technology. They entered the compound as planned, with “Razor 1″ disembarking its team of SEALs on the roof of the compound — not on the ground level. There was no crash landing. That wouldn’t occur until after bin Laden was dead.
Meanwhile, “Razor 2″ took up a hovering position so that its on-board snipers, some of whom had also participated in the sea rescue of Maersk Alabama captain Richard Phillips, had a clear view of anyone fleeing the compound.
The SEALs then dropped down from the roof, immediately penetrated the third floor, and hastily encountered bin Laden in his room. He was not standing still.
“He dived across the king-size bed to get at the AKSU rifle he kept by the headboard,” wrote Pfarrer in his book. It was at that moment, a mere 90 seconds after the SEALs first set foot on the roof, that two American bullets shattered bin Laden’s chest and head, killing a man who sought violence to the very end.
President Obama stepped up to a podium in the East Room of the White House that night to announce bin Laden’s death. That rapid announcement, explained Pfarrer, posed a major threat to U.S. national security.
“There was a choice that night,” Pfarrer told TheDC. “There was a choice to keep the mission secret.” America, Pfarrer explained, could have left things alone for “weeks or months … even though there was evidence left on the ground there … and use the intelligence and finish off al-Qaida.”
But Obama’s announcement, he said, “rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything. Before that could even be looked through, the political decision was made to take credit for the operation.”
And in the days that followed, as politicians sought to thrust their identities into the details of the bin Laden kill, the tale began to grow out of control, said Pfarrer.
“The president made a statement, and as far as that goes, that was fine, that was the mission statement,” he explained. “But, soon after … politicians began leaking information from every orifice. And it was like a game of Chinese telephone. These guys didn’t know what they were talking about. Very few of them had even seen the video feed.”
Pfarrer suggests that much of the misinformation was likely born out of operational ignorance, even among those sitting in the White House.
“One of the things that happened was that there were only a handful of people who know about this mission,” he said. “On the civilian side, there were only a handful of people in the situation room who were watching the drone feed. They were looking at the roof of a building taken from a rotating aircraft at 35,000 feet.”
“None of those guys, not a single one of them, had a background in special operations, with the exception of General Webb who was sitting there running a laptop,” Pfarrer went on. “No one knew or could even imagine what was going on inside the building. They didn’t know.”
“There was an alternative feed going to CIA headquarters where Leon Panetta sat there with the communications brevity codes [a guide sheet for the mission's radio lingo] in his lap and a SEAL off-screen by his side to be able to tell him what was going on,” he said. “But these guys, none of them, really knew what they were looking at.”
As the media raised more questions, officials gave more answers.
Whether or not bin Laden resisted ultimately developed into a barrage of murky official and unofficial explanations in the days following. And statements from as high as then-CIA Director Leon Panetta offered confirmation that the endeavor was a “kill mission.”
Pfarrer dismisses that assertion.
“An order to go in and murder someone in their house is not a lawful order,” explained Pfarrer, who maintains that bin Laden would have been captured had he surrendered. “Unlike the Germans in World War II, if you’re a petty officer, a chief petty officer, a naval officer, and you’re giving an order to murder somebody, that’s an unlawful order.”
Pfarrer also suggests some of the emerging claims were simply self-aggrandizing “fairy tales.”
“The story they tried to tell — it’s preposterous. And the CIA tried to jump in. About mid-June the CIA tried to jump into the car and drive the victory lap. There’s this whole stuff about the CIA guy joining the operation, the gallant interpreter — he couldn’t even fast rope!” exclaimed Pfarrer, referring to a technique for descending from an airborne helicopter.
“There’s this fairy tale about him walking out of the compound during the operation to tell crowds of Pakistanis to go home and everything’s OK.”
Pfarrer tried to put this in perspective: “Do you mean that during the middle of this military operation at night, with hovering helicopters over this odd house in this neighborhood, that people came out of their houses to ask what’s going on, instead of [remaining] huddled in their basement?”
“And I think that there were so many of these leaks that were incorrect, the administration couldn’t walk them all back,” Pfarrer explained. “And so, in the middle of May, they froze everything.”
It was that freeze-out that left Chuck Pfarrer with nowhere to turn for the real story but the SEALs themselves.
Seal Target Geronimo delivers an account of the night Osama bin Laden died with a level of detail unlike anything previously reported. Pfarrer bills the story as “absolutely factual.”
“That’s the other thing. I’m prepared for the White House to say, you know, ‘this is full of inaccuracies,’ et cetera,” offered Pfarrer. He told TheDC that in order to protect American interests, his book is “full of names that are made up, and it is full of bases that are not quite where they really should be.”
“But the timeline of my events,” he cautions, “and the manner in which it happened is 100 percent accurate. And they’ll know that.”

 

[NoDrama]

Being a veteran of the fire service I dealt with the media on an almost daily basis. Whenever we had a major incident the media would always get some of the details wrong. You always have layers of people who the information has to go through. For whatever reason the info is misinterpreted or misunderstood or just recorded incorrectly. Sometimes the people giving out the information (there is almost always an office or person responsible for disseminating information to the media and the public) get it wrong since they are rarely involved in the incident themselves. In this particular case you are dealing with a top secret operation with the U.S.A.'s most secret military unit. Stuff is going to be leaked by accident and information has to be filtered by people who make the decision what can and what cannot be told to the media and the public. They may even be disseminating misinformation in an effort to not tip their hand to the enemy. Not saying any of this is the case here, but look at any major incident and ask yourself how often information changes as the media gets more information and recants false or mistaken information.

I agree, Remember when the Oklahoma City bombing happened? Remember when the FBI Bomb Squad found 3 separate other bombs that had not yet gone off, inside the Murrah Building? They hushed that up real quick.

 

[doc111]

I agree, Remember when the Oklahoma City bombing happened? Remember when the FBI Bomb Squad found 3 separate other bombs that had not yet gone off, inside the Murrah Building? They hushed that up real quick.

I vaguely remember hearing reports of other bombs (same thing happened with 9/11) which turned out to be false. Maybe there were other bombs in Oklahoma. Why would they cover that up though? Doesn't seem to make sense. Especially if they wanted to really demonize "homegrown terrorists", it would've been even MORE damning evidence. Do YOU believe there were 3 other bombs or do you think it was a case of mistaken reporting?

 

[NoDrama]

I vaguely remember hearing reports of other bombs (same thing happened with 9/11) which turned out to be false. Maybe there were other bombs in Oklahoma. Why would they cover that up though? Doesn't seem to make sense. Especially if they wanted to really demonize "homegrown terrorists", it would've been even MORE damning evidence. Do YOU believe there were 3 other bombs or do you think it was a case of mistaken reporting?

For something that was false they sure did show it on TV while the bomb squad put one bomb in their special truck. Then the part where the Governor of OK confirmed the bombs as well as the FBI bomb Squad who actually took the bombs out. I'm sure it was a mistake, you know those bomb guys don't usually know what a bomb looks like. And to make the same mistake on three separate instances MUST mean that the Bomb Squad has all their screws loose. Kind of like how fire fighters do not actually fight any fires until they confirm they are real right? And they need a majority confirmation to ensure those flames are not some phantasmagorical entity that just appeared for shits and giggles.

 

[doc111]

For something that was false they sure did show it on TV while the bomb squad put one bomb in their special truck. Then the part where the Governor of OK confirmed the bombs as well as the FBI bomb Squad who actually took the bombs out. I'm sure it was a mistake, you know those bomb guys don't usually know what a bomb looks like. And to make the same mistake on three separate instances MUST mean that the Bomb Squad has all their screws loose. Kind of like how fire fighters do not actually fight any fires until they confirm they are real right? And they need a majority confirmation to ensure those flames are not some phantasmagorical entity that just appeared for shits and giggles.