The Clubs, They Lie

GreenThumbBill said:

They want to open every jar in the house and then buy a half 1/8th of the strain they read about in high times magazine.

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strain name, how large the buds are, and if they are purple or not, and premium pricing are the three biggest factors when it comes to selecting buds in dispensaries. Actual quality is a distant 5th or 6th place on that list.

The really sick thing is the higher the price, the faster bud sells. That is regardless of quality. Clubs who cap their prices often do worse than clubs that charge $65 an 1/8. Clubs that have lower prices often get a "schwag seller" rep no matter good their stuff is.

These problems for the most part symptoms of cannabis being a black market product for so long. Hopefully it gets better in time.

People should keep in mind that clubs have no control over consumer behavior. If people want to pay $65 and 1/8 for something called "kush", clubs will find a way to give them what they want.

If people really could tell the difference between strains, didn't automatically reach for the highest price jar in the store, and bought product based on quality, then people would get better buds for less money. Unfortunately that's not how things work at the moment.

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$10/g local. I guess it comes down to whether you want it or not. I trust MY collective, but understand why most AREN'T trusted.

GreenThumbBill said:

I'm cynical not angry. You...well, who gives a shit really...

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I make a thread letting people know that clubs lie, and to buy with their eyes and nose, and you show up out of the blue to insult me. Fucking weird, huh?

Like I said, only a liar would be pissed off about anything I've written here.

And that bitchin hydro I've been giving you a deal on? I grew it in a fucking pasture. Ha ha. Your dumb ass can't even tell the difference, so no harm done, right?

At least I was honest about the strain, asshole.

d.s.m. said:

And that bitchin hydro I've been giving you a deal on? I grew it in a fucking pasture. Ha ha. Your dumb ass can't even tell the difference, so no harm done, right?

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I've done this vending to some of the most reputable clubs in the bay area and no one ever knew the difference. They bought it as hydro, sold it as hydro and everyone loved it. No harm done. If you can pass off your outdoor as hydro, that's just winning.

Who's the victim there?

Dan Kone said:

I've done this vending to some of the most reputable clubs in the bay area and no one ever knew the difference.

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I had a guy in San Francisco tell me with a 100% certainty that he could tell the difference between outdoor and indoor by the smell!

I told him how impressed I was with his skills as I sold him my outdoor weed that he thought was indoor.

This whole indoor-outdoor thing is joke! It is all about the quality. If you have the most indoor of all indoor weed but its crap........doesn't matter what you call it, nobody wants it. And if you have outdoor weed that is indistinguishable from top shelf indoor and no one can tell the difference then who cares.

If the clubs I deal with are honest then I am honest. But I don't mind lying to liars. Tit for tat.

Yeah, I've really got no problem with letting somebody believe I spent a shitload of money on hardware and electricity to do what that beautiful golden sun does for free.

God I wish I could grow outside, growing inside is like being the processor chip in a computer system, YOU have to run everything. Even with (expensive) automation, it's still just one thing coming loose away from problems.

Outside, it's just constant spraying to avoid pests and without light dep. you can only grow once a year, which blows. My ideal situation would be to have a large greenhouse on the same property where I'd be living, and have sunlight come in mostly, but have lighting to supplement it, and grow during off season. It'd be an indoor/outdoor hybrid setup.

shit in san jose we got like 50 clubs and i'd say most of em are legit..it seems like there fighting to get the most business..deals all the time..i honestly can get it cheaper else where from the vendor himself so when i go into co-op's it's to get hash, oil or an edible and i always make sure i go in there on one of there "free gift" days.

endogarden said:

God I wish I could grow outside, growing inside is like being the processor chip in a computer system, YOU have to run everything. Even with (expensive) automation, it's still just one thing coming loose away from problems.

Outside, it's just constant spraying to avoid pests and without light dep. you can only grow once a year, which blows. My ideal situation would be to have a large greenhouse on the same property where I'd be living, and have sunlight come in mostly, but have lighting to supplement it, and grow during off season. It'd be an indoor/outdoor hybrid setup.

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I'm living your dream

Cali.Grown>408 said:

shit in san jose we got like 50 clubs and i'd say most of em are legit..it seems like there fighting to get the most business..deals all the time..i honestly can get it cheaper else where from the vendor himself so when i go into co-op's it's to get hash, oil or an edible and i always make sure i go in there on one of there "free gift" days.

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Think again. The clubs I've described in this thread were all in San Jose. I can say with certainty that even the most reputable clubs in San Jose either switch the names themselves when they aren't selling well, or their vendors strait up make shit up when they sell to the clubs. Ask them if their "honey oil" is butane. They will either lie to your face or tell you not to say that word and refuse to answer your question.

That being said, most of them provide good products at reasonable prices. They aren't bad people, it's just all in the game.

whattt..what clubs are you talking about..out of lets say 50 clubs, i've been to about 35 and out of those maybe 5-10 of em were shady and/or seemed shady..and only 5 or so have good deals and prices daily..im a volunteer for HPMI but i can honestly say the only shit i buy from their is the red velvet kangaroo cake..their bud is pretty weak and everything is overpriced except the edibles..the only spot i really go to now is Eko fresho off of camino verde..they seem a little un-trust worthy at times but i like there free gram friday and there full melts

What about the clubs that test? Like at Steep Hill.

there just pricey..and your sack is pre-weighed so u wont ever get HOOKED UP from any of those places..i always weigh my sacks from lab tested places and i swear a gram teters back and forth from 0.9-1.0 never more never less..that's USUALLY where the best quality shit is though

Cali.Grown>408 said:

whattt..what clubs are you talking about..out of lets say 50 clubs, i've been to about 35 and out of those maybe 5-10 of em were shady and/or seemed shady..and only 5 or so have good deals and prices daily..im a volunteer for HPMI but i can honestly say the only shit i buy from their is the red velvet kangaroo cake..their bud is pretty weak and everything is overpriced except the edibles..the only spot i really go to now is Eko fresho off of camino verde..they seem a little un-trust worthy at times but i like there free gram friday and there full melts

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I'm not going to mention names because I have good relationships with many of them. I'm talking about the non-shady clubs. They pull the same shit every other club pulls. Switching names/prices to make certain stuff sell better. Almost all the clubs do that. And even the ones that don't, still get bullshitted by their vendors.

It's not that they are bad clubs. That's just how the game is played. Some of them have good values and fair pricing. But business is business. If they have something that isn't selling, they switch the name/price. That's just how it's done. They aren't going to eat the cost of the pack.

budlover13 said:

What about the clubs that test? Like at Steep Hill.

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Steep hill tests for pathogens, thc content, pesticides. They have no way of knowing strains. The club that I have worked with that used steep hill (harborside) absolutely never would bullshit the test results. They didn't change names either. They were as honest as they possibly could be. But they were still susceptible to bullshitting from vendors just like everyone else. The buyer knew his strains very well so if you wanted to bs him you'd have to come up with some exotic strain. Even then they'd research the strain. But still vendors bs'd them. No one knows what every strain looks/smells like.

There really is no way to be sure that you're getting the strain that is advertised unless you already know what that strain is like.

Dan Kone said:

Think again. The clubs I've described in this thread were all in San Jose. I can say with certainty that even the most reputable clubs in San Jose either switch the names themselves when they aren't selling well, or their vendors strait up make shit up when they sell to the clubs. Ask them if their "honey oil" is butane. They will either lie to your face or tell you not to say that word and refuse to answer your question.

That being said, most of them provide good products at reasonable prices. They aren't bad people, it's just all in the game.

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I went on a club tour for 420 looking at hash and clones. went all the way to stockton and stopped at central valley caregivers co-op. asked the guy about is stuff and he strait said "This is BHO, butane honey oil" as he was going through his couple types of hash! I was SHOCKED! I'm not saying they are honest about everything but was surprised about that amount of honesty!

Dan Kone said:

I'm not going to mention names because I have good relationships with many of them. I'm talking about the non-shady clubs. They pull the same shit every other club pulls. Switching names/prices to make certain stuff sell better. Almost all the clubs do that. And even the ones that don't, still get bullshitted by their vendors.

It's not that they are bad clubs. That's just how the game is played. Some of them have good values and fair pricing. But business is business. If they have something that isn't selling, they switch the name/price. That's just how it's done. They aren't going to eat the cost of the pack.

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everyone does it! if you've ever bought weed from anyone but the grower you have most likely got a name that wasn't right! even from growers! a friend swore he didn't like northern lights, I told him it was some white widow and he loved it! I just laughed at him because I had been growing the same NL for 3 crops! I got some "bubble gum" before that was covered in hair! I when I gave some to friends I told them it was called chewbacca! It really did look like chewbacca! it had a coating of hairs, couldn't even see the bud at first!

all the hippies-

saying one love, and hey man. or fucking whatever, are just the same as the big business and government. everyone(almost) i know has forgotten where they come from for the almighty dollar.

tell a lie make abuck.

posers. fakes. counterfeits.

as a business owner you make the best out of it. sometimes oyu make a gain, sometimes loss. it's the average of your endeavor that weighs you. faking for a dollar is unsustainable.


i hope all you guys makin it big off of the medical industry fall down and poke a stick in your scrotum.
at least make your money on the black market.
it's the old fashioned way to be a criminal.

don't get me wrong. i believe in capitalism. the caveat is there is no inherent principle of honesty in it.
the people doing this aren't even trying hard is the thing. it's easy to exploit the system.

earning real credibility, i s much more difficult.

Dan Kone said:

Steep hill tests for pathogens, thc content, pesticides. They have no way of knowing strains. The club that I have worked with that used steep hill (harborside) absolutely never would bullshit the test results. They didn't change names either. They were as honest as they possibly could be. But they were still susceptible to bullshitting from vendors just like everyone else. The buyer knew his strains very well so if you wanted to bs him you'd have to come up with some exotic strain. Even then they'd research the strain. But still vendors bs'd them. No one knows what every strain looks/smells like.

There really is no way to be sure that you're getting the strain that is advertised unless you already know what that strain is like.

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Right on. Thank you for the answer. My club tests there, but I clearly see what you are saying.