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shnkrmn said:

Nah, this thread is on life support. Semi-comatose.

Are both of your plants females?

I have never used molasses and never have any bad smells from my buckets.

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that sentence made me think of it. i've got some hempy buckets and right after watering there's a smell of sulfur/rotten eggs. anybody had that happen/know what's going on?

bc.trip said:

that sentence made me think of it. i've got some hempy buckets and right after watering there's a smell of sulfur/rotten eggs. anybody had that happen/know what's going on?

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bc.trip - That's it exactly. I only smell it in the runoff when watering. I flushed and have not used any molasses since. The smell is much less now, but still there's a little. That's why I thought molasses. This is my 1st hempy so I'm still learning what to expect.

All my past grows were bubbler type with the roots in the solution with an air stone. I liked the fact that I could open the lid and see the roots. I miss that with hempy.

shnkrmn - I have 2 girls and H2O2 on the way. Think I'll stick with chemicals till the end.

Thanks,
YGB

YouGrowBoy said:

bc.trip - That's it exactly. I only smell it in the runoff when watering. I flushed and have not used any molasses since. The smell is much less now, but still there's a little. That's why I thought molasses. This is my 1st hempy so I'm still learning what to expect.
YGB

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i've never used molasses. so if we both get that it must not be molasses. i dont know, it's got me beat. but it doesn't seem to effect plant health whatsoever.

woooooooooo hempy!!!

YouGrowBoy said:

bc.trip - That's it exactly. I only smell it in the runoff when watering. I flushed and have not used any molasses since. The smell is much less now, but still there's a little. That's why I thought molasses. This is my 1st hempy so I'm still learning what to expect.

All my past grows were bubbler type with the roots in the solution with an air stone. I liked the fact that I could open the lid and see the roots. I miss that with hempy.

shnkrmn - I have 2 girls and H2O2 on the way. Think I'll stick with chemicals till the end.

Thanks,
YGB

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I am not a hempy grower but my guess would be that you are smelling a slight root rot. The folks that aren't wild about this method often mention the lack of O2 in the solution soaked bottoms. Roots without O2 will rot. If the plant is happy it is no big deal. Hempy on, friend.

Hey everyone. I have just started my grow, Hempy style about 2 weeks ago. 10 seeds germed, 8 sprouted, and are all very strong. I have them in 16oz cups, to be tranfered in a week to their 3 Gallon contained, and various other sizes. I only have 4 containers, so, I will have to improvize, use coffee canisters, jugs.... whatever works.
This is a variation to the true Hempy Bucket style. Hempy himself does not recommend the transplanting at all, he says to just start in the big buckets. I, unfortunately, didn't have all my supplies in time, so had to do the cup thing.

And molasses is really not recommended in Hempy's. Molasses is use to activate and feed good bacteria in the soil, we have no soil, so all it will do is make our water go bad.....

Here is the link to Hempy's true method
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=128

Hempy really recommends that you start using his method, as it is tried and true, and has a virtually 100% rate of success. Hempy has been using it for decades, and he hasn't changed a thing with it yet....
I am not saying variation is bad, I am using one due to my situation. But if you are having trouble using another method, other than his, please don't blame the Hempy Bucket method, it works, and works very well. If done to specification, you really should not have a problem.
I hope you check out his thread, he has a ton of knowledge to share.
I'll keep you all posted with my progress, cheers!

doogleef said:

I am not a hempy grower but my guess would be that you are smelling a slight root rot. The folks that aren't wild about this method often mention the lack of O2 in the solution soaked bottoms. Roots without O2 will rot. If the plant is happy it is no big deal. Hempy on, friend.

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i don't think it's root rot. a couple of plants that had the smell ended up males, so i chopped 'em and checked the roots while i was at it. roots were very healthy and didn't smell whatsoever. seems to be something in the perlite that puts it off.

bc.trip said:

i don't think it's root rot. a couple of plants that had the smell ended up males, so i chopped 'em and checked the roots while i was at it. roots were very healthy and didn't smell whatsoever. seems to be something in the perlite that puts it off.

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As I said before, I never have bad smells from my buckets, only good ones. When I pull my root balls from the buckets after the grow is finished, I have never seen or smelled anything that looked like root rot (I've done DWC, I know what root rot is!). My roots are uniformly white, hairy and occupying the entire bucket. I wonder if you fully let your buckets dry up between watering. Even my large plants only get watered once a week now. They seem to like it and drying out certainly gets oxygen down into the root zone.

Rotten egg smells are usually from Hydrogen sulphide, which is a product of anaerobic bacterial metabolism. It can't be from the perlite, which is about as inert as a material can get.

In any case, if your plants aren't suffering, I wouldn't worry about it. The human nose can detect Hydrogen sulphide in concentrations as low as .0047ppm. That's really really low! Here's some data on human toxicity!

• 0.0047 ppm is the recognition threshold, the concentration at which 50% of humans can detect the characteristic odor of hydrogen sulfide, normally described as resembling "a rotten egg".
• 10-20 ppm is the borderline concentration for eye irritation.
• 50-100 ppm leads to eye damage.
• At 150-250 ppm the olfactory nerve is paralyzed after a few inhalations, and the sense of smell disappears, often together with awareness of danger,
• 320-530 ppm leads to pulmonary edema with the possibility of death.
• 530-1000 ppm causes strong stimulation of the central nervous system, rapid breathing, leading to loss of breathing;
  • 800 ppm is the lethal concentration for 50% of humans for 5 minutes exposure (lc50).
• Concentrations over 1000 ppm cause immediate collapse with loss of breathing, even after inhalation of a single breath.

shnkrmn said:

As I said before, I never have bad smells from my buckets, only good ones. When I pull my root balls from the buckets after the grow is finished, I have never seen or smelled anything that looked like root rot (I've done DWC, I know what root rot is!). My roots are uniformly white, hairy and occupying the entire bucket. I wonder if you fully let your buckets dry up between watering. Even my large plants only get watered once a week now. They seem to like it and drying out certainly gets oxygen down into the root zone.

Rotten egg smells are usually from Hydrogen sulphide, which is a product of anaerobic bacterial metabolism. It can't be from the perlite, which is about as inert as a material can get.

In any case, if your plants aren't suffering, I wouldn't worry about it. The human nose can detect Hydrogen sulphide in concentrations as low as .0047ppm. That's really really low! Here's some data on human toxicity!

• 0.0047 ppm is the recognition threshold, the concentration at which 50% of humans can detect the characteristic odor of hydrogen sulfide, normally described as resembling "a rotten egg".
• 10-20 ppm is the borderline concentration for eye irritation.
• 50-100 ppm leads to eye damage.
• At 150-250 ppm the olfactory nerve is paralyzed after a few inhalations, and the sense of smell disappears, often together with awareness of danger,
• 320-530 ppm leads to pulmonary edema with the possibility of death.
• 530-1000 ppm causes strong stimulation of the central nervous system, rapid breathing, leading to loss of breathing;
  • 800 ppm is the lethal concentration for 50% of humans for 5 minutes exposure (lc50).
• Concentrations over 1000 ppm cause immediate collapse with loss of breathing, even after inhalation of a single breath.

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i should've said that better. not actually the perlite, but something building up in the medium is what i meant. something other than the roots, basically. you've got a good point about maybe not letting them dry out enough. i water every other day, so i could probably benefit from cutting back on how often i water. if anything it'd save money on nutes.

shnkrmn said:

Even my large plants only get watered once a week now. They seem to like it and drying out certainly gets oxygen down into the root zone.

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I'm definitely watering too much then. I thought the idea was to keep a mostly constant 2" water table.

When you say large, what is large? and how big/what type of the grow container?

Thanks!

To follow Hempy's instructions, water every other day with full nutes once the roots have reached the resevoir.
Here is a link to a true Hempy Bucket, by Hempy himself.
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=128

YouGrowBoy said:

I'm definitely watering too much then. I thought the idea was to keep a mostly constant 2" water table.

When you say large, what is large? and how big/what type of the grow container?

Thanks!

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My plants are full grown indicas, 36 inches tall in 5 gallon hempy buckets. %100 percent perlite not the classic hempy mix which is perlite/vermiculite. I find if you water every two days the medium remains wet all the time in large containers, and roots really do like to air out sometimes.

Mannurse, I have read every thread on the planet about hempy including the all-holy original thread. I see you are one of his orthodox prophets; I am not a purist, but if you look at my current grow you'll see there are plenty of ways to fill up a bucket with weed. We are growing marijuana here, not starting a religion.

For sure man. I am just a guy that tells people to stick to the tried and true before trying to play around. Once I learn the system really well, I will find ways to improve it for me. But when people are just starting out, I find it easiest to give them the basic, successful method before having them change things. Tis is just what Hempy suggests, that's all. I am sure you have the experience to fool with it, but many of us are not there yet,. That's all. Not saying changing it is wrong at all. But if it fails, dson't blame the Hempy mehtod, as many do, even though it is not "really" the real Hempy Method. That's all. Peace man

Look, we are all hempy growers here. We share our individual knowledge and experience, whereas you post a link to another thread that's 18 months old on another forum. If you had read THIS thread, you would see that all the information you need is right here and that we've been through all this already. Did you notice that your last post here was #1193?

A hempy bucket has a hole in it and a soilless medium of some kind, that's it. So some guy named hempy has rigid ideas about watering and nutes. So what. "It's not the true hempy method". Sheesh.

I was agreeing with you, I stated that due to my limited knowledge, I recommend Hempy's method to "New" growers, that's all. I give the link to that thread cause I helped my alot when I started out, that's all.
The Hempy Bucket got it's name from Hempy, and these are all just variations to his method, that's all. I am trying to agree with you, don't mean to start anything, just discussing. I am not one to argue at all.
And I did read through it ALL, and got many ideas from the thread. I spent like 3 hours the other day reading everything. Again, peace man... Jeepers... haha

If your knowledge is limited, why give advice?

I am trying to make peace here man. I give beginner advice for what has worked well for me. What has worked well, is the original method. I am now varying it a bit, starting out in smaller cups, then will transplant once I get good root growth. Even people wiht a couple years expereince can give great advice, especially to rookies... And honestly man, I respect your variations that I have seen. I learned Hempy's method and that is what I am comfortable with and it has given me great results, so of course I want to share what worked for me with others, that is what this place is about right? But seriously, peace man, I have mad respect for you, cheers.

sorrysorrysorryIgetcrankyIknow. +rep for putting up with shit. You must be a good nurse.

Phew.. 1198 posts later..
Well learned a lot, and had a blast..
Thanks for a good informative read everyone..
Just waiting for the gear to arrive then I will be starting up my own Hempies...

Good luck Weeded, lots of stuff for sure!