the RIGHT to travel

You are free to travel the roads as you choose without any license at all...

Now, you have to have a LICENSE to operate a motor vehicle. The road is not licensed, the vehicle is.

Besides, just like people telling you that the IRS is against the constitution and you dont have to pay your taxes, you will end up in jail taking bad advice about driving without a license.

Most states have laws requiring the individual to identify themself. While this does not mean you have to give the officer a license or state ID, doing so certainly will speed the matter up. But unless the state statute explicitly requires a form of ID usually just telling the officer your name and where you live is enough. At that point you should exercise the phrase, "Am I free to go?" and continue to ask said question until you are released or placed in cuffs.

I don't get it. You're playing semantics in order to argue that when you're using a car, you're a traveller rather than a driver so you don't need a license to operate the vehicle?

Seems silly to me....

Very silly, stupid rather.

and while conducting himself in an orderly and decent manner, neither interfering with nor disturbing another's Rights, he will be protected, not only in his person, but in his safe conduct."

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Which is why they cannot just pull you over without a reason. However, once you violate a safety law ER: speeding, improper lane usage, failure to signal, etc... Then the cops have the right to pull you over and ask for your license which verifies you have been properly trained and tested in the operation of a motor vehicle.

Hey, just stop paying your taxes too!! I mean, they are unconstitutional...

abe23 said:

I don't get it. You're playing semantics in order to argue that when you're using a car, you're a traveller rather than a driver so you don't need a license to operate the vehicle?

Seems silly to me....

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our system depends on semantics, otherwise anything we say wouldn't be used against us in the court of law.

fitch303 said:

Very silly, stupid rather.

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knowing and exercising our rights is never silly or stupid. they can not require a license to exercise a right, unless you let them. voting is our right, and we do not need a special license for that, because that would be illegal. it falls well within our rights of personal liberty to use any means we choose to go in any direction we choose. that is the language which has been presented.

NLXSK1 said:

Which is why they cannot just pull you over without a reason. However, once you violate a safety law ER: speeding, improper lane usage, failure to signal, etc... Then the cops have the right to pull you over and ask for your license which verifies you have been properly trained and tested in the operation of a motor vehicle.

Hey, just stop paying your taxes too!! I mean, they are unconstitutional...

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exactly. when you start breaking rules of the road they can pull you over, IF there is a threatening danger. but showing a license is not required because in the 2nd and 3rd question it has been established that we can travel at our pleasing using any means we choose. so a ticket for being unlicensed would violate the 3rd question.
and the tax thing is a whole nother subject. of course we hear about the people that go to jail because it would instill fear for anyone else wanting to try the tactics and research the subject. do you really think the news would report any success stories? have you seen america: freedom to fascism? it talks about former irs agents no longer filing.
when you watch a law and order or csi or cold case file, do they ever show people get away with murder, rape, burglary? of course not. but it does happen.

So I take it there shouldn't be any need for pilot licenses either. They're just traveling after all. Not flying...no sir.

my taxes doesn't pay for the air that the plane travels through. plus according to the term driver, the pilot is employed by whatever airliner/private emploer and has to be licensed to conduct the business of transporting the people. and as for someone just flying, like i said our taxes doesnt pay for the air so i would assume that would be subject to different laws.

Your taxes have nothing to do with. They don't just pay for you to be able to use your car on them (provided you have a license, insurance and registration...) but also to keep them maintained so that your groceries get to the super-market and your ups package can get from the hydro store to your house. Just because you don't drive yourself doesn't mean you don't benefit from infrastructure.

Interesting point to nitpick on though. I just don't buy it...

I don't know about you, but here you have to register to vote. You get a little card in the mail. If you aren't registered, you can't vote.

abe23 said:

Your taxes have nothing to do with. They don't just pay for you to be able to use your car on them (provided you have a license, insurance and registration...) but also to keep them maintained so that your groceries get to the super-market and your ups package can get from the hydro store to your house. Just because you don't drive yourself doesn't mean you don't benefit from infrastructure.

Interesting point to nitpick on though. I just don't buy it...

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roads are public property paid for with our money. same with schools, but kids dont need licensing to go.

Antidisestablishmentarian said:

I don't know about you, but here you have to register to vote. You get a little card in the mail. If you aren't registered, you can't vote.

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well thats a given. registering and licensing are two different things. licensing is permission by an authority to do something which otherwise would be illegal. registering is just making it known you want to do something. registering requires no money, not the same for license.

blazin256 said:

roads are public property paid for with our money. same with schools, but kids dont need licensing to go

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The military is paid for with my taxes as well. That doesn't mean I get to go deep sea fishing on a navy destroyer....

Do you also object to library cards?

you raise silly points. first of all we have no right to a navy destroyer. and 2nd, when taking someone else's property outside of a building should require some accountability. you dont need a card to just go in and read do you? not to my knowledge anyway. but i haven't been in one for god knows how long...
we have the right to a well regulated militia, but not to use military vehicles at our discretion.

You should consider quitting weed bro, your perception of reality is way the fuck off. Stop being a cheap ass and get a damn license lol. Not trying to be a dick but this whole thread is a joke.

a. i have a license. and b. rights and freedom is no joke at all. how is quoting law dictionaries a joke? maybe some like pissing away all your freedoms, but others like them and will fight for them. if tomorrow it was announced that every person in the u.s. would have to go every month for drug testing, that wouldn't make you feel too cozy would it?
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and support it i will, till the day i die. why is it so hard to understand that traveling by automobile is apart of our liberties, not a privilege which they have led us to believe. hell while your at it just go ahead and give all your money to the fed, save them the trouble of coming to take it away.
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We have many NATURAL rights. The government gives us NO rights. The fact that those same rights have been usurped by government is merely an illustration that government is not reason, it is force.

Driver's licenses are just one of the instruments of control. A piece of plastic in your wallet does not increase safety, but it does put you into data bases and can be used to control and blackmail you.

The ability to pull people over is the foot in the door used by police to begin an often painful process that has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with control. We are not free in this country and haven't been for a long time.

Rob Roy said:

We are not free in this country and haven't been for a long time.

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once we form into societies, with rules and regulations to ease our interactions, freedom begins to diminish. the institution of government to enforce custom through the use of force further degrades those liberties that are inherent in all creatures. when we demand that these governments provide us with benefits other than the most basic of protections, we begin the process of investing the power of individual freedoms in these artificial bodies and that process must lead to our eventual enslavement by the very institutions we developed to ensure our liberty.

the citizens of this country are not alone in their bondage. it is a paradox of civilization that the more we do to ensure our freedom, the less freedom we have.

abe23 said:

So I take it there shouldn't be any need for pilot licenses either. They're just traveling after all. Not flying...no sir.

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you CAN fly without a license, legally in certain aircraft.

abe23 said:

The military is paid for with my taxes as well. That doesn't mean I get to go deep sea fishing on a navy destroyer....

Do you also object to library cards?

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you CAN go fishing on Navy ships. look up "tiger cruise".