the trials of donald j. trump

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I think we should all personally thank him.
Trump in deposition says he averted ‘nuclear holocaust’
Former President Trump said he averted a “nuclear holocaust” with North Korea and “saved millions of lives” during his time as president, according to his newly released April deposition in his New York civil fraud case.

For nearly seven hours, lawyers with the New York attorney general’s office grilled Trump over his company’s business practices and his children’s roles within the Trump Organization. When asked about how his position changed within the Trump Organization when elected president, Trump said he was “very busy” and considered the presidency “the most important job in the world, saving millions of lives.”

“I think you would have nuclear holocaust, if I didn’t deal with North Korea,” Trump said. “I think you would have a nuclear war, if I weren’t elected. And I think you might have a nuclear war now, if you want to know the truth.”

Trump said his sons, Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, both of whom currently serve as executive vice presidents at the Trump organization and are named in the suit, saw their roles change once he came president.

“They became more intensely involved with the company, I was virtually not involved at all,” Trump said. “I rarely — I’d rarely have anything to do with anything having to do with the company.”

The testimony is part of New York Attorney General Letitia James’s (D) lawsuit against Trump, the Trump Organization and two of the former president’s children over allegations of major fraud. Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, was previously included in the lawsuit but later dismissed from it by a state appeals judge.

Trump’s lawyers released Trump’s 479-page deposition transcript Wednesday ahead of a Sept. 2 hearing where a judge could resolve part or all of the lawsuit before it goes to trial in October.

In a separate court document filed Wednesday, James alleges Trump inflated his net worth by as much as $2.2 billion in 2014, and from 2011-21 defrauded lenders, insurers and others.

James asked Judge Arthur Engoron to partially rule against Trump ahead of the scheduled Oct. 2 trial.
During the April deposition, Trump appeared to dismiss the attorney general’s allegations, advising James to “drop the case.”
what a complete load of
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DIY-HP-LED

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P01135809 is probably giddy with joy! His goonies will donate millions to make sure he’s dressed properly for TV
He might be dressed in orange coveralls if Jack convicts him first or he is jailed for being stupid pretrial. He will have to sit there and STFU while republicans rat him out and prosecutors shit on him to his face. I'm figuring a ball gag before it's over and wall to wall national TV coverage. His fans will watch too, because he will be there, humiliated on camera day after day.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Judge orders that Donald Trump's Georgia state RICO trial will be televised

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Judge Scott McAfee, the judge presiding over the Georgia state RICO trial involving Donald Trump and 18 other defendants, will be televised and live-streamed. This is an important developments that will help reduce the ability of Trump and his co-defendants like Mark Meadows, Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, Jeffrey Clark and others, as well as their lawyers, from being able to continue to infect the public with their disinformation, propaganda and lies about the 2020 election being stolen.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I guess it means civil trials too.

The chickens are coming home to roost in droves and the coup is overwhelmed!

$270 million in NY with a trial in a month with a probable summary judgement and $300 million here as TS goes up in smoke and desperate Donald is back on Twitter under Elon's protection, but it could send him to jail if he gets too stupid on twitter.

 

printer

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It doesn’t matter if Trump really believed he won the election
At a recent court hearing in the January 6 case, Judge Tanya Chutkan told former President Donald Trump’s counsel, John Lauro, that “your client’s defense is supposed to happen in this courtroom, not on the internet.” But that ship may have already sailed. Trump’s defenders have already flooded the media with his purported “defense” to the charges: that Trump genuinely believed he won the election, and therefore he was not acting with the requisite “corrupt intent.”

This argument has been treated with far too much credulity by the media, as well as the legal commentariat. In fact, it matters not at all whether Trump really believed he won the election.

Defense attorneys would all prefer if Lauro’s depiction of the law prevailed and that juries, before finding guilt, would be required to look into the mind of a defendant and try to discern whether he truly believed he was entitled to whatever spoils were the object of his or her criminal scheme. If that were the case, reasonable doubt would be sown into almost all cases. After all, who can say “beyond a reasonable doubt” what anyone else actually believes in their heart of hearts?

John Lauro is an experienced trial attorney and almost certainly knows better. He and the rest of the Trump team are trying to shape public opinion and the jury pool by misrepresenting the law. His efforts seem to have borne fruit, as the legal chattering class has far too frequently repeated that whether Trump actually believed he won the election will pose a significant legal impediment that the government will have to overcome at trial.

Some of this confusion is likely because the indictment repeatedly states that Trump “spread lies that there had been outcome-determinative fraud in the election and that he had actually won. These claims were false, and the Defendant knew that they were false.” The government will call multiple witnesses to back up the allegation that Trump knew that he lost the election. And establishing that Trump lied about his election loss will be important to the government’s case, because it makes Trump’s conduct in trying to overturn the election all the more venal.

But the knowing falsity of Trump’s election claims is not an element of any of the offenses, and the court will not instruct the jury that it must find, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Trump knowingly lied when he claimed that he had won the election.

This is not to diminish the government’s burden to prove intent, a requirement present in virtually all criminal cases, and that is often outcome-determinative. But proving intent simply means that the government must prove that a defendant acting knowingly and intentionally, and not by accident, mistake or inadvertence. And defendants are presumed to have intended the natural consequences of their conduct.

So, for example, if the government can prove that Trump agreed with his co-conspirators to submit “fake electors” in order to overturn the election results in anyof the alleged states, then the jury will be told that he can be found guilty. Or if a jury concludes that Trump schemed to have the Department of Justice write a letter to various state officials that “there is evidence of significant irregularities that may have impacted the outcome of the election in multiple States,” when he knew this was not the case, then the government will have proven the element of corrupt intent. This is true regardless of whether Trump really believed he won the election.

That this is the law should surprise no one. If I honestly believe my employer has wrongfully withheld a bonus owed to me, the law does not permit me to embezzle this amount to even the score. The law expects those who believe they were wronged to avail themselves of lawful means to address their harm. It does not permit self-help by, for example, submitting fraudulent slates of electors who falsely claim to have been certified in an attempt to overturn an election — even if you think you won the election fairly.

The question of what Trump actually believed is relevant to the offense and goes to the question of motive. But these personal beliefs do not constitute an element of the offense. Indeed, to the extent that Trump actually believed he won — an extremely dubious proposition if the allegations in the indictment are true — then he arguably had an even greater motive to act unlawfully.

Judge Chutkan is an experienced jurist and unlikely to be persuaded by these misleading arguments. But it is not the judge that Lauro and his team are trying to influence. Their target is a different court — that of public opinion. And their efforts there, it appears, are already bearing fruit.
 

OldMedUser

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Trump's mugshot T-shirt cash grab could backfire and cost him millions: legal experts


According to SiriusXM radio host Dean Obeidallah, there is a legitimate legal case to be made that Donald Trump is violating U.S. copyright laws by selling merchandise emblazoned with his Fulton County mugshot -- and that could lead to major financial difficulties for him.

In a column for MSNBC, the attorney wrote that there has been a longstanding legal argument about who owns images like the now-infamous glowering Trump headshot associated with his indictment on RICO charges.

Noting that the former president has boasted that he raised a quick $7 million after his indictment in part by selling $34 mug shot t-shirts and “Never Surrender” coffee mugs for $25, he asserted the Fulton County Sheriff's department could come after the former president.
 

printer

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Trump's mugshot T-shirt cash grab could backfire and cost him millions: legal experts


According to SiriusXM radio host Dean Obeidallah, there is a legitimate legal case to be made that Donald Trump is violating U.S. copyright laws by selling merchandise emblazoned with his Fulton County mugshot -- and that could lead to major financial difficulties for him.

In a column for MSNBC, the attorney wrote that there has been a longstanding legal argument about who owns images like the now-infamous glowering Trump headshot associated with his indictment on RICO charges.

Noting that the former president has boasted that he raised a quick $7 million after his indictment in part by selling $34 mug shot t-shirts and “Never Surrender” coffee mugs for $25, he asserted the Fulton County Sheriff's department could come after the former president.
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