There is No Such Thing as Organics

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todd86

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Before you start eating me alive, I want you to Know who your up against.

A world leading Professional in the horticulture industry.

Organic matter requires bacteria to convert the organic matter to the exact same nutrients as in general chemical fertilizer.

Plants can not use or up take organic matter.
 
SPLFreak808

SPLFreak808

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You worded your thread title wrong. You also just explained organic after claiming it doesn't exist lol.

The only difference from an organic molecule and synthetic one, is place of development, so yes you are right.

However, don't forget about the symbiotic relationship between the plant and soil biology! The microbes,waste and the nutrients they make is all organic so yes, it exist imho. Organic = living food web

A better title would be, "plants cannot uptake organic matter" or "plants cant tell between synthetic or organic ions"
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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True but no matter how you grow them whatever you put in the root zone eventually will be deposited in the flesh of the plants. That's why natural soil grows taste better than synthetics.
My homie & I have been growing organic for awhile now but when we started out he was running his indoor grow without any kind of air filtration for a few months. So he got some of those Ona crystals to cover up the smell. We use the same water only mix recycled ourselves so our plants looked much the same with almost identical results in yield. However when we tasted the bud there was something off about his & after making a run of wax we put our finger on the flavor: it was like dabbing a dryer sheet...shit tasted just like Ona block.
This sort of proves my point that anything you give them can affect flavor. Natural soil that feeds plants through microbial activity presents the closest genetic representation of the strain you are growing. This is true for cannabis as it is for wine grapes or anything else you grow. The plants don't care where food comes from but what you give them can influence the end result.
 
cat of curiosity

cat of curiosity

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todd86 said:
Before you start eating me alive, I want you to Know who your up against.

A world leading Professional in the horticulture industry.

Organic matter requires bacteria to convert the organic matter to the exact same nutrients as in general chemical fertilizer.

Plants can not use or up take organic matter.
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lower case k, you're, lower case p.

world leading? what grade are you in? 8th grade earth science will show you the world is quite a bit larger than your basement/bedroom...
 
Dankonomics_genetics

Dankonomics_genetics

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todd86 said:
Before you start eating me alive, I want you to Know who your up against.

A world leading Professional in the horticulture industry.

Organic matter requires bacteria to convert the organic matter to the exact same nutrients as in general chemical fertilizer.

Plants can not use or up take organic matter.
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Ok well that explains it all to me now lol. Last time I looked out the window though the organic process was still repeating itself where I live. Granted the water, and everything else is laced with Chems and shit but as long as soil microbes break down organic matter that a plant up takes its still organic. Tainted but organic. Kind of an irony really.
 
cat of curiosity

cat of curiosity

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Dankonomics_genetics said:
Ok well that explains it all to me now lol. Last time I looked out the window though the organic process was still repeating itself where I live. Granted the water, and everything else is laced with Chems and shit but as long as soil microbes break down organic matter that a plant up takes its still organic. Tainted but organic. Kind of an irony really.
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i think most of our taints are organic.

unless you're a terminator...
 
Dankonomics_genetics

Dankonomics_genetics

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cat of curiosity said:
i think most of our taints are organic.

unless you're a terminator...
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Those synthetic nutes bother me. If they don't get absorbed they go right down and won't filter out in the soil either like organics and right to the water table. I use ro myself because of this and fluoride in the city water even though I have a well it's just one big underground river. So if you shit in your own nest it will also go to others nests too.
 
Foothills

Foothills

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todd86 said:
Before you start eating me alive, I want you to Know who your up against.

A world leading Professional in the horticulture industry.

Organic matter requires bacteria to convert the organic matter to the exact same nutrients as in general chemical fertilizer.

Plants can not use or up take organic matter.
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No shit !! Do you really think this is new information ? The title of this thread makes no sense whatsoever !! Back away from the bowl and then continue on with your ground breaking research, Grasshopper !
 
cat of curiosity

cat of curiosity

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Dankonomics_genetics said:
Those synthetic nutes bother me. If they don't get absorbed they go right down and won't filter out in the soil either like organics and right to the water table. I use ro myself because of this and fluoride in the city water even though I have a well it's just one big underground river. So if you shit in your own nest it will also go to others nests too.
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i was talking about taints, not tainted water...

 
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todd86

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Foothills said:
No shit !! Do you really think this is new information ? The title of this thread makes no sense whatsoever !! Back away from the bowl and then continue on with your ground breaking research, Grasshopper !
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Tell Me what you learnt in the foothills and ill tell you where im at as a Grasshopper
 
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Cyrus420

Cyrus420

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So what I can gather is because plants don't consume organic matter which according to google organic matter are things such as "... lawn clippings, leaves, stems, branches, moss, algae, lichens any parts of animals, manure, droppings, sewage sludge, sawdust, insects, earthworms and microbes" I assume the angle you're getting at is that technically speaking there is no such thing as a true organic grow because the plants don't consume the organic matter?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm sure though people mean organic in a generic sense as in their nutrients are derived from natural sources rather than made using salts in a concentrated form in an attempt to emulate the nutrition the plant would receive in the wold. So...what is the point of this thread or are you truly just stirring shit up?
 
Cyrus420

Cyrus420

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todd86 said:
id be attracted to stickmen too if i looked like a pink jelly bean with tits and a penis for a tail.
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Uh huh. You're the worst kind of troll; not even remotely funny. You know full well my avatar is the Dick Butt meme.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Richard Drysift said:
True but no matter how you grow them whatever you put in the root zone eventually will be deposited in the flesh of the plants. That's why natural soil grows taste better than synthetics.
My homie & I have been growing organic for awhile now but when we started out he was running his indoor grow without any kind of air filtration for a few months. So he got some of those Ona crystals to cover up the smell. We use the same water only mix recycled ourselves so our plants looked much the same with almost identical results in yield. However when we tasted the bud there was something off about his & after making a run of wax we put our finger on the flavor: it was like dabbing a dryer sheet...shit tasted just like Ona block.
This sort of proves my point that anything you give them can affect flavor. Natural soil that feeds plants through microbial activity presents the closest genetic representation of the strain you are growing. This is true for cannabis as it is for wine grapes or anything else you grow. The plants don't care where food comes from but what you give them can influence the end result.
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Lol. I screwed my first indoor grow up by using those scented wax things. The buds tasted like chemical apple cinnamon.
cat of curiosity said:
i was talking about taints, not tainted water...

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My balls touch my butt hole when I lay like that.
 
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