st0wandgrow
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That's used for those really stinky flowers, Java.
Total Noob using teas and I am a believer
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Mad Hamish
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Also very high male ratio on the Gage testers, but insane female ratios on the Dream Beaver and LVBK. Both the latter were 100 percent girls on the first germ, with 3 LVBK boys in the second one. 10/10 female on the DB. My luck had to turn... I have only 5 females out of 3 packs with the Gage gear. Beautiful ones, though, true little champs.
RedCarpetMatches
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I have 3 packs of Bodhi coming today. Going to germ in warm moist vagisil soil with deep/far red. Crazy head spinning science behind that one. Actually get to veg now too!!!
hyroot
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It's actually cheaper to buy a quality panel than build one. More effective to have multiple small panels rather than one large panel. Area 51 panels cost $495- $545 and it would cost well over that to build the same light. The A51's cover a 3x3. I have one of those. Red has 2 . Its one of the best led's you can get.
http://a51led.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=65
theres a $50 discount promo on the site. if you email them and talk and say you will document the grow on here and if you are well established on this forum , which you are. They will give you a better deal.
I am diggin my inda gros too...
I'm going to the L.A. Cup its feb 8-9 in San bernardino at nos events center. an hour from L.A.
RedCarpetMatches
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Completeley false yet again lol. You can even build one to shift into different wavelengths throughout light cycle to mimic nature, for half the price!!! Plus he has equipment. Heat sinks, fans, drivers are dirt cheap. The real money is the top shelf diodes. Don't get me wrong brother Hy...I love my 51s and might get a pair of the 3700s, but DIY with better nodes (Nich n Cree) is easy, cheap, and doable! It's just the amount of time and trial that will cost. Buy the parts May and I'll assemble for a nickel....bag.
hyroot
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you are wrong my friend. to buy the same cree leds (72) that will cost $360 alone. Plus heat sink, wires, nuts, fans, drivers, thermal adhesive, lenses, power plugs, soldering iron and solder, and casing. if you went with cheap chinese leds like you did on your pfr then it would be cheaper. I'm talking about a high quality long lasting panel. heat sinks can be expensive if you by them already drill tapped. if you do it yourself it can be cheaper.
EH buys 1000's of led's direct from Cree so he gets a huge discount . at the price we paid for our sgs panels ..... its still cheaper to buy the a51 panel than build it.
RedCarpetMatches
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Okay he already has equipment, many bulk deals/kits are out there, companies LOVE the free advertising on forums (hence my hundreds saved), and you don't have to get the Cadillac when the Camry will do the job fine. I have many links and can provide several prices. I've been researching this for weeks, and am amazed at the ' do ability'. Have you looked into a 51? Easy peezy. I'll even throw in some moonlight and chirping crickets!
st0wandgrow
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I want to switch to LED's when my ballasts take a shit. I'd need to buy 5 of those fuckers. $2,500+ to get it done. How do those compare to a 1000 watt hps?
RedCarpetMatches
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LEDs work!!! Density, amazing spectrum, quiet, runs dirt cheap, BUT you need a lot of them for coverage. In cold Michigan weather they'd be a pain without some good 75-80 heat for transpiration. Thank God there're some open minded people like you out there. You email Area 51 (use me as reference please
) and tell them all your forum user names. You'll save BIG bucks with your cred. Tell them you're gonna start a journal too.
hyroot
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4 0f them will replace a 1000w with better coverage. there is bulk discounts too. plus like i said before if you email and ask for a forum discount blah blah blah you will get a better deal. on the site the bulk discount is $475 each for 4 -7 panels. If you email and chat you can most likely get a better deal. Great penetration, high par, high cri. You have to keep them at least 18 inches away from the canopy. That's how much they penetrate. You will end up with far better quality bud too. closer node spacing also
show me a reputable link to get 5w crees for cheaper than $5 each. those fake multi leds from ebay do not count. I researched it for over a couple years now.
RedCarpetMatches
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3 watts are where it's at these days. 5's cost way too much unless you buy 5000 a month.
hyroot
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the sgs 160 uses 3w x-pg red 630 and 5w x-pg 4500k.
The xgs 190 uses 5w x-te 3700k
the apaches use 1w nichia but they are able to max them out
RedCarpetMatches
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they buy bulk and have the money. I can build a panel comparable to a 51 or Hans for well under 300$. That's with having equipment already.
hyroot
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hans has 33 leds on the 65w . uses cree and osram.. comparable would be using the same quality leds at the same wattage. Using more watts of chinese leds is not even in the same ball park.
so where are those links kimo sabe
st0wandgrow
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Damn. So if I'm running 3, 1,000 watt HID's in flower you're saying I'd need 12 of those fuckers to realize similar output?
Might have to pawn the wifes wedding ring.
hyroot
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haha . its about 600-700 watts of led to match the yield of a 1000 watt. far less heat. no venting lights, no bulb replacement. lifetime limited warranty. full coverage for 3 years. 50% for life. They are upgradable for 50% of the cost for when new panels come out.Damn. So if I'm running 3, 1,000 watt HID's in flower you're saying I'd need 12 of those fuckers to realize similar output?
Might have to pawn the wifes wedding ring.
savings on electricy, better quality, up to 3% more thc increase, with 4 panels you can cover a 5x5 - 6x6 easily.
i also use inda gro induction with led pontoon 3 of those will out perform 2 1000w's . Those are $1500 per combo. $795 for induction light and $695 for the led pontoon and covers a 5x5. they have a 10 year warranty on the induction and a 5 year warranty on the pontoons. I have 2 over head one made for vert. Its like having 4 lights with 3. I'm getting the same size buds as under 1000w. I ran the cbk under 1000w a few times. I'm able to cover 2 5x5's with 1400 watts. they run cooler than T5's . Right now I'm covering less because I have 5 plants under one light and 3 iunder another light. But I can fit them under the same light. The 3 are a foot taller that the 5 so...
the induction is 420 watts and the pontoons are 40watts the pontoons have 660 deepr red leds and 730 Ir leds
RedCarpetMatches
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Let's make a wager first...remember hustling is my hobby lol.
RedCarpetMatches
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I've made several calls and emails to get a good deal on Crees. I don't use Chinese baboon!!! 730 Epistars for 15 min a day isn't bad. Don't hate...congratulate. You're out of my Area 51 club!
Edit: I've depleted my aloe resources <snort> and just received my 200x powder. I know it says 1:200, but what have you guys used for foliar? This shit isn't cheap.
Mad Hamish
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Induction is the road forward with electricity. My AC and water pumps for the house are all inductance appliances and my pocket is loving it. I will now look into it for my lighting, thanks Hyroot.
My personal opinion is for me LED is a load of balls. They are less useful than cooled hoods if heat and height us your issue. So many guys get albino bleached bud under LED, the things are like laser beams. A cooled hood can get much, MUCH closer. Big issue for me is that the overhead costs will take too long to absorb. I've got 240v 3 phase power though so I have to run at least 2000w before I see much of a change in the bill. I can push it to 8000w and still raise no eyebrows. God bless agricultural zoning