Treating red soil...plz help. ...

dutch29681

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Here's my problem I have red clayie soil, I have a 200$$budget I'm thinkin creek rocks and sand, vermiculite, osmocoat and blood meal...
I still haven't gotten seeds that's part of my $200...
 

IceWaterBong87

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i think u need lime ur set up is much more expensive than regular soil a good seed is $60+ u got lights ph etc ready?
 
i think u need lime ur set up is much more expensive than regular soil a good seed is $60+ u got lights ph etc ready?
judging by what forum this is is I assume he isn't going to need lights. But I'm glad you mentioned PH and lime.

If you have a very clay-ey soil your ph is gonna be pretty high probably like 8 or 9 and you want it just below 6. you can get a really inexpensive (5$) ph meter at any store that carries garden supplies, but if you dont get one it really isnt a big deal. get some lime and spread a couple handfuls across your plot and work it into the soil. Check it with the ph meter to get it around 5.5-5.8 and that will solve that problem.

As far as your budget goes how many are you planning to grow? seeds are expensive to order but IMO the best way to go if you can't get clones, although on occasion bagseed turns out okay.

When buying soil additives the very most you should need to spend would be around 150 bucks and thats if you buy a few bags of real good expensive soil. If not, the nutrients necessary should keep you under the 200$ budget.

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IceWaterBong87

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judging by what forum this is is I assume he isn't going to need lights. But I'm glad you mentioned PH and lime.

If you have a very clay-ey soil your ph is gonna be pretty high probably like 8 or 9 and you want it just below 6. you can get a really inexpensive (5$) ph meter at any store that carries garden supplies, but if you dont get one it really isnt a big deal. get some lime and spread a couple handfuls across your plot and work it into the soil. Check it with the ph meter to get it around 5.5-5.8 and that will solve that problem.

As far as your budget goes how many are you planning to grow? seeds are expensive to order but IMO the best way to go if you can't get clones, although on occasion bagseed turns out okay.

When buying soil additives the very most you should need to spend would be around 150 bucks and thats if you buy a few bags of real good expensive soil. If not, the nutrients necessary should keep you under the 200$ budget.

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do u need nutes for outdoor? oh yea my bad i just go to new post n clicked in without checking forum categories
 
do u need nutes for outdoor? oh yea my bad i just go to new post n clicked in without checking forum categories
oh absolutely, ALL plants use and need nutrients to grow. Yes a plant will grow if you dig a hole and toss it in, but the closer you pay attention to the specific nutritional needs of the plant the more healthy they will be. You can go buy nutes but a nice hefty compost pile with a variety of materials in it will get you many of the same nutrients people like to buy from stores. If it is written on a label people like to trust it to be a good product which isn't always true, as nature is where the plants come from and that is where the best nutrients for them are. Not to say store bought shit wont get similar results, but make sure you at least use ALL ORGANIC PRODUCTS for the love of God and the plant!

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dutch29681

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I think I may hale in soil, I'm buying. Single seeds...probably 2 of each $5-8 a piece
I'm looking at big bang, blue widow , and the church...

I was going to make a large patch & sell now I'm going w/ 6 plants to smoke on all year ;)..but out of curosity how much $$$ u think it would cost for 50 plants, I'm talking soil??anyways
Lime? Were doi buy this??
 

Gazzette

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I think I may hale in soil, I'm buying. Single seeds...probably 2 of each $5-8 a piece
I'm looking at big bang, blue widow , and the church...

I was going to make a large patch & sell now I'm going w/ 6 plants to smoke on all year ;)..but out of curosity how much $$$ u think it would cost for 50 plants, I'm talking soil??anyways
Lime? Were doi buy this??
If you go for cheap soil (walmart has some miracle grow bags for gardens thats 50 pounds for 5 dollars) you mix it 50/50 with the native soil and each bag with get you 3 plants minimum, if your doing 1x1' holes 25 dollars will be more than enough.

But if you want that many plants go to lowes/homedepot and get a seed starter lit for 5 dollars it comes with a dome and everything use that to make fifty clones from your favoritest plants. (be sure to take a clone off each of your plants when they are young and put them under a 12/12 light schedule so you can take out the males before they have a chance to even consider flowering).

I take it your another carolina?
 
well it really depends how good you want your soil mixture to be. Buying soil is only part of it but there are many other things that when added will increase yield/potency/health. Personally all the additives i use including soil costs me around 150$ for all the good stuff to grow 5-6 large plants, but i use a big box so idk exactly how much it would divvy up into small holes, but alot of the additives i get dont require huge amounts for the recipe so theres always alot left over for next season.

oh and you can get lime at lowes/home depot. thats one of the easier things to find, I end up ordering a few special ingredients. Not as shady as asking questions in lowes about growing and such, so know what your buying before you go in.

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dutch29681

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Yea I've done that b4...

I'm thinking just to hale in rocks from the surounding creeks,sand and lime...
Then ill mix in a strong dose of organic nutrients, u can't burn ur plant w/ organic nutrients?

U think I could pull a lb per plant with that mixture? ?
How could I improve it??
what would u do?
 
Plants burn when an over abundance of a nutrient is available so the plant takes in an unbalanced/unhealthy dose. So yes you can definitely burn/kill a plant by over feeding.

My self and a lot of outdoor growers like mixing a soil that doesn't require feeding throughout its life. Stuff like cow shit, chicken shit, compost, worm castings, bat guano, and bone meal are just some of the ingredients that can completely take the place of a bottle of liquid nute. And the best part is that that stuff will GRADUALLY release its own nutrients, so you dont have to worry about feeding and over feeding.

your mix should do fine as long as you have decent organic nutes, natural or store bought, but there are so many different mixes people use and they all get the job done. If you plan on growing outdoors more than this one time i would really suggest starting a compost pile if you dont have one already. If you start your plant within the next two months inside on veg cycle and get your soil ready its definitely possible to get a pound on a plant but dont be discouraged if you dont. just read as much as you can. Search through the outdoor forum and you'll get tons of great info.

Oh and check out the organics forum if you want to learn some other feeding techniques.

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SYROUS

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pro mix is 3.5 cubic yards 30 dollars then adjust ph then put some slow release fert ,less trips to the patch the better unless dry for two weeks then you should water for sure,by the time weather,critters and rippers ,unless you have in your backyard,if i plant 200 usually lose 25% to elements ,animals etc,moth balls and all the deterents used,unless rippers then more gone but walk far and deep ,and remeber 3 men can keep a secret when 2 of them are dead,good luck
 

snew

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Here's my problem I have red clayie soil, I have a 200$$budget I'm thinkin creek rocks and sand, vermiculite, osmocoat and blood meal...
I still haven't gotten seeds that's part of my $200...
I assume your growing outside, blood meal often attracts animals. I would not use animal produces outside for that reason. Red soil tends to need lots of lime. If I where gardening outside (which I do vegetables) I would take a soil sample to my agriculture extension office, tell them your going to raise tomatoes. For $10 you have a professional analysis of your soil knowing just what you need.
 

dutch29681

Active Member
Yea...I'm not about to do Al that all I won't is 6 plants,
I guess I'm going to mix top soil, compost,sand,nutrients
honestly I can't decide what I want to do...
thanks everybody for all the info
 

businessmen

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WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT????! LIME MAKES SOIL MORE ALKALINE. iF IT IS A HIGH PH HE NEEDS SULFUR AND PEAT MOSS. LIME IS FOR ACID SOIL (LOW PH)!!!! I have heard the clay soils in California can be deficient in Potassium. And Nitrogen is low in our dry climate. If your in the south Im not sure. Maybe they are acid and need lime. IF its trully clay then go easy on the nutes. It holds lots of nutes and water. Add lots of ammendments to open up that heavy soil, like compost or planter mix.
 

FenderJazz

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Do your homework on location and decide exactly where you want each plant in the ground (check out sunlight, drainage, cover/camo from two legged animals, etc) and go ahead & dig your holes NOW... in winter. Red clay? No problem. Dig roughly 2'x2' holes using post hole diggers and shovels, mix in the cheapest organic garden soil 50/50 with the red clay that you pulled from the earth. 6 plants? No problem. Bring two 50 lb bags (or 4 @ 25lb) and some 10/10/10 fertilizer. Throw a couple handfuls of 10/10/10 fert in the holes as you mix the two. Some leaf and straw in the mix won't hurt either. Over fill them (mound it up) because rain will settle it back in. Don't forget to cover this fresh earth with whatever ground cover is around and hide your leftover dirt. By the time that you put your plants outdoors, assuming that you are going to germinate and start indoors this time of year, these holes will be ready to go. If this is your first grow then do yourself a favor and just use the best bagseed that you can get your hands on. I've been doing this in Georgia/North Alabama red clay for years and it works every time for me. After you get a feel for what works for your taste and get a better budget then you'll know more to buy better vegetation nutes, flowering tricks, and badass seeds. Oh yeah, and do molasses/water during flowering. It works....
 

svchop889

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judging by what forum this is is I assume he isn't going to need lights. But I'm glad you mentioned PH and lime.

If you have a very clay-ey soil your ph is gonna be pretty high probably like 8 or 9 and you want it just below 6. you can get a really inexpensive (5$) ph meter at any store that carries garden supplies, but if you dont get one it really isnt a big deal. get some lime and spread a couple handfuls across your plot and work it into the soil. Check it with the ph meter to get it around 5.5-5.8 and that will solve that problem.

As far as your budget goes how many are you planning to grow? seeds are expensive to order but IMO the best way to go if you can't get clones, although on occasion bagseed turns out okay.

When buying soil additives the very most you should need to spend would be around 150 bucks and thats if you buy a few bags of real good expensive soil. If not, the nutrients necessary should keep you under the 200$ budget.

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lime brings ph up not down and soil ph should be 6.5-6.8 not 5.5-5.8 the range you stated was for hydro grows not soil check your facts before you give advice. and check your facts before you use advice. to bring his ph down he could use peat moss and he will need sand and perlite for drainage reasons. a good high quality potting soil will be needed though Fox farms products are highly recommended, also roots organic and pro mix are other good ones.
 

svchop889

Well-Known Member
WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT????! LIME MAKES SOIL MORE ALKALINE. iF IT IS A HIGH PH HE NEEDS SULFUR AND PEAT MOSS. LIME IS FOR ACID SOIL (LOW PH)!!!! I have heard the clay soils in California can be deficient in Potassium. And Nitrogen is low in our dry climate. If your in the south Im not sure. Maybe they are acid and need lime. IF its trully clay then go easy on the nutes. It holds lots of nutes and water. Add lots of ammendments to open up that heavy soil, like compost or planter mix.
Im in central michigan and i have sandy clay soil that is very acidic so im not sure if your clay will be alkaline but i would have it tested for sure like someone else here mentioned just tell them your trying to grow tomatoes and corn. and that you need to know what to add to your soil and in what quantities and you'll have it perfect if your able to do what they say.
 
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