Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to Get 2 or 4 Main Colas

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born2killspam

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You can either top them and make the 1st gen clones mothers, or top them and use the topped seedling as a mother (technically a tad more true to the genetics).. Whatever you like really.. And you can top anything you fancy.. Topping clones will accelerate the secondary growth, and will help even your canopy out, but it won't be as predictable as seedling topping..
 

Roseman

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Can you top a plant when its small but after it has its 7 leafs?

You sure can.
Almost all questions on Topping and Pruning and Fimming are answered in
the first five to ten pages of this thread.

Uncle Ben, I run a thread on only one Subject, BUBBLEPONICS, and it has grown to over 7000 posts on nearly 800 pages. I've found I need to keep re-posting the same amswers to the same questions over and over again, to the point I have "book-marked" or saved several "same answers" in MY FAVORITES so I can copy and paste them over again for the same asked questions.
 

born2killspam

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Again, I think they should give atleast ppl who manage threads like this permanent edit permission.. That way page 1 could stay 100% current.. Reposting the updated OP every 50 posts or so is a good idea though..
 

merahoon

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Well I sure hope this hasn't been asked. I know it wasn't asked in the first 20 pages or so though. When growing from seed your first set of true leaves is a singleblade, followed by three blades on the second node, and finally the full five on the third node. I noticed the new growth growing between nodes is much weaker at the first node then the next two. Insated of topping above the second true node *three blades), could you cut all the growth on the first node (single blade) and top above the third node (five blades) but makingi t act as if it were the second node. Does that make sense? I just wonder if you would get a better output because the growth on the other nodes seem to be much more aggressive then the growth on the first.
 
yes for sure awesome info dude iv been growing for well this is my fith summer and iv always keep singel colas ...gonna try this on a few plants thanx again
 

born2killspam

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That single blade sounds like the false node cotyledons.. Only time I've seen single lobes is on reverted, or plants that were water stressed severely..
 

lilkc

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Ok people straighten this False Node thing out, ur confusin alot of noobs.
Is the False Node Cotyledons the Very First Green Leaves that come out the seed?????
Or the Next Single Blade 1's????
 

merahoon

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That single blade sounds like the false node cotyledons.. Only time I've seen single lobes is on reverted, or plants that were water stressed severely..
No, the cotyledons are the first round fake looking leaves. Then you have the single bladed marijuana leave. Every single seed I have grown has them so I know this isn't out of the ordinary. THe next set of leaves goes to three blades and then set after that begins its full five blades. Thats the same way it goes every time for me. Keep in mind, I'm talking about from SEED.
 

Uncle Ben

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No, the cotyledons are the first round fake looking leaves. Then you have the single bladed marijuana leave. Every single seed I have grown has them so I know this isn't out of the ordinary. THe next set of leaves goes to three blades and then set after that begins its full five blades. Thats the same way it goes every time for me. Keep in mind, I'm talking about from SEED.
That's correct. The round "leaves" are not leaves, they are food storage organs aka endosperm. That is not considered a node regarding my method. As you stated, the rest of growth is the progression from a juvenile stage to adult stage.

When you re-veg, you will see a reversion back to the juvenile single or 3 leaf leafsets you alluded to.

Tio
 

Pitraptor

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Never tried for 4 before but now that you mention it it seems the obvious choice, unless your vertically challenged. Also your explaination of the hormone response was excellent and easy to understand. Thanks, my girls are gonna love ya and +rep!
 

Uncle Ben

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Well I sure hope this hasn't been asked. I know it wasn't asked in the first 20 pages or so though. When growing from seed your first set of true leaves is a singleblade, followed by three blades on the second node, and finally the full five on the third node. I noticed the new growth growing between nodes is much weaker at the first node then the next two. Insated of topping above the second true node *three blades), could you cut all the growth on the first node (single blade) and top above the third node (five blades) but makingi t act as if it were the second node.
No. Try to understand what the plant's actual anatomy is regarding plant parts and their functions and how plant hormones control all plant functions and processes. There are dormant buds that reside within the axis where the leaf petiole attaches to the "trunk". These are capable of output. If underground, they become roots, if above ground, leafsets with petioles.

Again, when you pinch out the growth above the 2nd true node, you induce a hormonal re-distribution to those 4 dormant buds. You have now created 4 new dominant leaders (which will become 4 main colas) regarding "apical dominance" instead of the usual one.

The fact that your stem may be weaker at some point is not a problem, that's just an issue of age regarding normal development. As the plant matures the stem (trunk) becomes stronger from the bottom up.

UB
 

lilkc

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i Fimmed like a 2weeks ago & now i see 2 leaves comin out where the Branches meet the trunk & at the very top of the plant it looks messy bt its alot of new growth, i kant tell how many leaves are gonna come outta there. Does anybody know wat im talking about?
 

merahoon

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No. Try to understand what the plant's actual anatomy is regarding plant parts and their functions and how plant hormones control all plant functions and processes. There are dormant buds that reside within the axis where the leaf petiole attaches to the "trunk". These are capable of output. If underground, they become roots, if above ground, leafsets with petioles.

Again, when you pinch out the growth above the 2nd true node, you induce a hormonal re-distribution to those 4 dormant buds. You have now created 4 new dominant leaders (which will become 4 main colas) regarding "apical dominance" instead of the usual one.

The fact that your stem may be weaker at some point is not a problem, that's just an issue of age regarding normal development. As the plant matures the stem (trunk) becomes stronger from the bottom up.

UB
Thanks! Good to know. Thank you for helping me to further understand how the plant works!
 

livesoul

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Since your on the topic of plants anatomy. I have some seeds i germinated and they stretched a lot, to where they are falling over. The stem is basically white and very long (4-5 inches approx), Sorta looks like a root? They are currently in rapid rooters, gonna transfer them into hydrotron for my ebb&flow. This white stem...is it just cause its young? Or is it an extension of the root? Would it be a problem if this part of the plant got wet when my tables flooded?
 

Uncle Ben

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Since your on the topic of plants anatomy. I have some seeds i germinated and they stretched a lot,....
Sounds like you didn't give them enough light. Seedlings are fragile but stand on their own under normal circumstances.

Getting the stem wet is asking for Damp-off problems.

Glad to help merahoon.

Make it a great day,
UB
 

born2killspam

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Don't shock them with a serious intensity upgrade right away though, seedlings are definately fragile..
If they're up to the task of shifting towards light you can use that to strengthen the stems by putting the light indirectly above them, and keep rotating them such that the shoots are forced to grow back towards it.. There is scientific understanding of how auxins beef up the stems when bending to get light.. Similar concept to the fan wobble.. IIRC UB doesn't actually consider fan strengthening effective.. Personally I'm torn on that one since I get the feeling that cell growth likely can't keep up with other cell destruction if they never get a chance to rest (kind of like how your muscles actually grow after workouts and during sleep, the workout itself actually destroys muscle fibers).. But regardless, that will help protect you from stem rot, just don't over do it, what doesn't make them stronger only kills them..:)
 

Uncle Ben

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Don't shock them with a serious intensity upgrade right away though, seedlings are definately fragile..
If they're up to the task of shifting towards light you can use that to strengthen the stems by putting the light indirectly above them, and keep rotating them such that the shoots are forced to grow back towards it..
My feeling for the development of strong stems is plenty of light and adequate P. What is "adequate" you say? Something like a 10-10-10 or perhaps a 9-3-6.

There is scientific understanding of how auxins beef up the stems when bending to get light..
Phototropism, or the plant's response to a point of light by elongating/expanding the cells on the shady side to tilt the plant material into the light source. Hope you don't mind me getting anal. :p

Similar concept to the fan wobble.. IIRC UB doesn't actually consider fan strengthening effective.. Personally I'm torn on that one since I get the feeling that cell growth likely can't keep up with other cell destruction if they never get a chance to rest (kind of like how your muscles actually grow after workouts and during sleep, the workout itself actually destroys muscle fibers).. But regardless, that will help protect you from stem rot, just don't over do it, what doesn't make them stronger only kills them..:)
My theory to using fans to supposedly strengthen stems is based on plant damage like you alluded to with the muscle thingie. Kicker is to create stem fissures which will callous over you need to have hurricane force winds before anything will happen, and even then any positive benefits is debatable. (One thing that is not debatable is that cannabis forum paradigms die hard.) Chances are you'll just end up with a broken plant that you either have to stint or shit-can. Trust me, I live on a hillside that gets 20-40 mph winds quite often. All it does is tear stuff up. :(

Fans are best used for keeping fungus pressure down and mixing up the air a bit regarding gases.

Later.......
 
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