Universal Basic Income; 'bout time or batshit crazy?

Padawanbater2 said:

@ttystikk I think it would be really interesting to crowdfund this experiment to see what actually happens on a small scale. Do you know of any such experiments?

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Yes I'm aware of some, read about them in various places. Next time I run across a reference I'll post it here. There's a good chance an article I've already posted above has some references.

Justin-case said:

I liked the Australian tax rates somebody posted the other day. If I understood it correctly, nobody would ever be stuck in the low end of a higher tax rate. I think that would satisfy most people needs in our country.

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If it were a scale with 0% for people under 40k progressively up to a genuine non-deduction 45%/50% on income over 1mill I think it'd be fair.

It's the deductions that really hamper the tax take, we need to get rid of them all and just adjust the bands appropriately.

SneekyNinja said:

I've been completely honest and "fairness" is subjective.

And you're the one misusing the name for a pre-defined concept to suit your personal ideals and you're wasting time if you think people will accept a non-universal universal basic income.

The people not getting it simply won't go along with it and theyre the ones ultimately paying for it.

Again, because you can't seem to accept it, I support UBI if it's universal, like common sense and it's name implies.

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rich kids would still get it when they turn 18. it would have all the benefits with half the cost. not saying you are dishonest. what you say,, taking with one hand giving with the other ,, is bureaucratic bullshit and at least some people will see through it. some will be fooled...

Lucky Luke said:

Take it from the military budget.

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i think what is needed is equal to the public military budget. so part of it can come from military part from those over 250k a year and the rest from big business. that's a rough plan at least but still not a budget.

esh dov ets said:

i think what is needed is equal to the public military budget. so part of it can come from military part from those over 250k a year and the rest from big business. that's a rough plan at least but still not a budget.

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It would help if the public such as yourself was aware of how much "Black funding" is being used and where some of that could be funneled.

Lucky Luke said:

It would help if the public such as yourself was aware of how much "Black funding" is being used and where some of that could be funneled.

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if they did they would want much of that illegal enterprise shut down. all the weapons and drugs and sensitive intelligence being sold ect. most of that dark money is not accounted for by the public because it's not from traceable sources. i imagine. that's why i said their public budget.

esh dov ets said:

rich kids would still get it when they turn 18. it would have all the benefits with half the cost. not saying you are dishonest. what you say,, taking with one hand giving with the other ,, is bureaucratic bullshit and at least some people will see through it. some will be fooled...

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You've missed the point again.

And how can you possibly say I'm being dishonest? You're the one that wants to make something "universal" be selectively distributed...

SneekyNinja said:

You've missed the point again.

And how can you possibly say I'm being dishonest? You're the one that wants to make something "universal" be selectively distributed...

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you need to skim less. i specifically said i'm not saying you are dishonest , trying to trick people by giving with one hand and taking with the other is dishonest.
your point is that it's called universal so everybody should get it ,,sigh,,and giving $2000 to everybody will be easier than giving 1-2k to only those who need it. i disagree. i have stated why and how i disagree and given an alternative that would help. your version won't fly, mainly because it costs to much but my version probably won't either because people don't see how half the people are poor or why or why they should care.

The poorly educated take what they can get.

We need to be able to take advantage of the lower classes while we can, propping up our portfolios in order to cash out for retirement/Sell off.


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