Universal Basic Income; 'bout time or batshit crazy?

ttystikk · Apr 8, 2017

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/04/conversation-basic-income-mess-heres-make-sense.html

I'm on the fence, myself. This is a fundamental shift in how people think about an economy and their place in it.

Discuss;

fdd2blk · Apr 8, 2017

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Aeroknow · Apr 8, 2017

ttystikk said:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/04/conversation-basic-income-mess-heres-make-sense.html

I'm on the fence, myself. This is a fundamental shift in how people think about an economy and their place in it.

Discuss;

Single payer health care first if I had a say. :-)

A basic income also, fo sho!
Only way i see it happening though is with a well needed tax on the very rich. Prob not gonna happen anytime soon.

Bad Karma · Apr 8, 2017

With computer/robotic automation taking over more and more jobs everyday, if we don't shift to a system like this soon, there will eventually be widespread poverty in the United States on a scale that we can't even imagine.

Sir Napsalot · Apr 8, 2017

I can imagine it

SneekyNinja · Apr 8, 2017

Basic income could encourage people to be just plain lazy but I'm not opposed to the idea if presented more data.

ttystikk · Apr 9, 2017

SneekyNinja said:
Basic income could encourage people to be just plain lazy but I'm not opposed to the idea if presented more data.

The evidence from the limited experiments run to date show that about 1 in 10 stop working, mostly due to retirement or raising children.

Did you read the article and contents? Highly enlightening stuff.

ttystikk · Apr 9, 2017

Sir Napsalot said:
I can imagine it

So can I.

http://thewertzone.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/how-judge-dredd-predicted-future.html

ttystikk · Apr 9, 2017

Bad Karma said:
With computer/robotic automation taking over more and more jobs everyday, if we don't shift to a system like this soon, there will eventually be widespread poverty in the United States on a scale that we can't even imagine.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. Even with automation, failing to address runaway inequality would lead to revolt.

ttystikk · Apr 9, 2017

Aeroknow said:
Single payer health care first if I had a say.
A basic income also, fo sho!
Only way i see it happening though is with a well needed tax on the very rich. Prob not gonna happen anytime soon.

Absolutely! Universal health care and universally accessible education would be a natural beginning for such a paradigm.

Observe & Report · Apr 9, 2017

How will this not cause inflation by the same amount as the BI, so that everyone ends up with more cash but the exact same buying power they had before? You still can't afford an apartment because you're still competing against all the same people who are now also getting the same stipend you are. Seems pretty basic to me, but what do I know, I'm just some stoner who works for a living.

ttystikk · Apr 9, 2017

Observe & Report said:
How will this not cause inflation by the same amount as the BI, so that everyone ends up with more cash but the exact same buying power they had before? You still can't afford an apartment because you're still competing against all the same people who are now also getting the same stipend you are. Seems pretty basic to me, but what do I know, I'm just some stoner who works for a living.

High prices are caused and exacerbated by sky high income inequality. You're thinking about permanent scarcity but that's a false assumption because more housing can be built, nevermind all the housing that's underutilized today.

schuylaar · Apr 9, 2017

ttystikk said:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/04/conversation-basic-income-mess-heres-make-sense.html

I'm on the fence, myself. This is a fundamental shift in how people think about an economy and their place in it.

Discuss;

I see what you're doing..you're trying to sneak socialism in here.

Sadly as long as mean spiritedness, mine all mine mentality, tax cuts for the wealthy combined with pay for play exist..we won't.

londonfog · Apr 9, 2017

how about getting a job and providing for self. is that no longer an option? Too many lazy fucks in America, why promote laziness.

CaliSmokes · Apr 9, 2017

My friends on EBT get 200 a month, , donates cannabis for another good amount of income. Doesn't work, has a very nice car and home. Basic income is already here just quit your job and sign on up !

SneekyNinja · Apr 9, 2017

londonfog said:
how about getting a job and providing for self. is that no longer an option? Too many lazy fucks in America, why promote laziness.

I suppose it wouldn't really promote lazyness, you'd still get it if you worked so you'd still be doing better by working.

JaJaJaJa · Apr 9, 2017

It will eventually be necessary to prevent the collapse of society in 30-50 years once >50% of all current jobs have been automated. Right now? No. There's still plenty of work and jobs out there for people who want them.

londonfog · Apr 9, 2017

SneekyNinja said:
I suppose it wouldn't really promote lazyness, you'd still get it if you worked so you'd still be doing better by working.

will you get the same if you dont work ?

schuylaar · Apr 9, 2017

CaliSmokes said:
My friends on EBT get 200 a month, , donates cannabis for another good amount of income. Doesn't work, has a very nice car and home. Basic income is already here just quit your job and sign on up !

200x12/365= $6.58/day for food. Talk about living large..where do I sign up?

Padawanbater2 · Apr 9, 2017

londonfog said:
how about getting a job

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