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DIY-HP-LED

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The thing is: Prigozhin was always about himself and his desire to get away with the situation in which he was to be erased by the Kremlin.

One of Russia’s greatest corruption dealers couldn’t care less about corruption in the military as he has been making insane fortunes from that for decades:

And yeah, Russia’s greatest butcher, the master of meat grinder assaults and suicidal convicts couldn’t care less about “the lives of our boys” in this “criminal war unleashed by power-greedy imbeciles and oligarchs.”

He showed off against the cowardly dictator who had already fled Moscow (unbelievable!) and he got what he wanted.

And Putin has again demonstrated his weakness and his readiness to accept any sort of L and draw away from his own words for the sake of spending one more day on the throne.

Of course, Shoigu is to stay. All this time Prigozhin only pretended to be angry about Shoigu’s and Gerasimov’s incompetence to gain popular support and portray himself as “the only one who really cares.”

He cared about nothing but himself. A lying thug is always a lying thug, be it in the streets or in charge of a giant mercenary army.

What’s really striking to me is that his most senior Sardaukars, including Wagner himself, trusted him and followed him in this fake coup. They really had a plan and they were really believing they were to take the throne.

In reality, they were ordered to stop 200 kms away from Moscow when their boss’ plan to scare the living shit out of Putin and his cronies succeed.

Prigozhin is now very probably getting safe retirement amid endless wealth (we don’t really know what he traded and what guarantees his safety), while his former dogs of war up to the elbow in blood are very much screwed up.

 

printer

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Putin made the mistake of calling the action an attempt to overthrow the government, Prigozhin never said that is what he was after (ok he did but it was just a throwaway comment). The point of marching on Moscow was due to his soldiers having to sign a contract with the government freezing him out of the payments he was getting. Basically gutting his organization and all the work he had done for the war. Looking at the situation as gangsters the actions make more sense. Pretty sure Prigozhin was promised more than just his life. He still projects Russian power in Africa and I do not see how they can divorce each other without really disrupting that. But then again, if Prigozhin has a network in place and he flies out of a window his second in command might be pressed into running things but at a lower profit. Things got out of hand but I doubt it will be the last we hear of him.
 

printer

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Yevgeny Prigozhin remains under investigation in connection with the rebellion
As it became known to Kommersant, on the morning of June 26, the criminal case on the organization of an armed rebellion (Article 279 of the Criminal Code), the main person involved in which was the founder of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin, was not legally terminated and continues to be investigated by an investigator from the investigative department of the FSB of Russia.

On June 25, some media and Telegram channels reported that the Prosecutor General's Office, which had previously recognized the decision of the FSB investigator to initiate a case of rebellion as lawful and justified, canceled this decision, and therefore the criminal prosecution of Mr. Prigozhin was also terminated. However, a Kommersant source in the supervisory agency said that the decision to initiate a criminal case had not yet been canceled, and the investigation into the rebellion was ongoing. According to Kommersant's source, too little time has passed to make a different decision.

The Leader of the Wagner PMC Group, Yevgeny Prigozhin has spoken for the first time since his attempted “Coup” against the Russian Ministry of Defense stating, “Despite the fact that we did not show any Aggression, a Missile Attack was launched on us. 30 Fighters were Killed and others were Injured. This served as a trigger for our Immediate Advance. One of the Columns went to Rostov, the other towards Moscow. Was not a single Soldier was Killed on the Ground. We regret that we had to Strike at Aircraft, but they Attacked us with Bombs. We traveled 780 km, this is 200km to Moscow and we Blocked all Military Bases and Airfields along the way. Among the PMC Fighters, there are several Wounded and 2 Dead - among them Employees of the Ministry of Defense that decided to join our Cause. None of the PMC Fighters was Forced to March, and everyone knew his Goal. Our March showed Serious Security Problems across our Country but it was never our Goal to Overthrow the current Regime and Legally-Elected Government.”
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1673348348068126721/photo/1
 

HGCC

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It's not very gangster to stop short and then offer up your own head. He had to know how they would react, tbh I would think the men who followed him would know the same.

Will see I guess, but it just makes no sense.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/25/wagner-coup-danger-opportunity-00103556

Too bad prigozhin didn't take out putin, and die doing it.
He's every bit as horrible as putin, and nothing good will ever happen because of him, but in spite of him.
that would have lopped two nasty heads off the hydra, with predictable consequences in the mid-term. There are a dozen waiting in the wings for the top slot who aren’t improvements.

The only beneficiaries would be eBay shoppers looking for some very long tables.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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that would have lopped two nasty heads off the hydra, with predictable consequences in the mid-term. There are a dozen waiting in the wings for the top slot who aren’t improvements.

The only beneficiaries would be eBay shoppers looking for some very long tables.
Are the any viable candidates that are improvements? Would the people accept Nalvany? We like him, that is no guarantee that they do, and i don't see those in power allowing that to happen, when they know his first act would be to shitcan every one of them.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Are the any viable candidates that are improvements? Would the people accept Nalvany? We like him, that is no guarantee that they do, and i don't see those in power allowing that to happen, when they know his first act would be to shitcan every one of them.
The bolded. The system is set up for and by the kleptocrats, and they will not tolerate a reformer.
 
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