What should I do with this freaky seedling?

VictorFlorez · Jun 20, 2022

Out of 9 relatively normal looking seedlings, this one blueberry is a freak. I think I may have burned her very early on and she's struggling to recover. Either that or it's some kind of mutant.

Am I wasting my time and future tent space with this seedling, should I let it keep going to see what happens or just get rid of it now? It's ten days old, the rest are growing their 3rd set of true leaves.

Roger A. Shrubber · Jun 20, 2022

just depends on how much space you have...it could recover nicely with a little attention, but if you feel like you're going to be pressed for space, cull it and go with the other 9. i like to have at least a 2 foot by 2 foot square for each plant. if you press them closer than that, they don't grow as well, so you end up with about the same yield with 8 in a 4X8 as you would with 10 in the same space.

VictorFlorez · Jun 20, 2022

Roger A. Shrubber said:
just depends on how much space you have...it could recover nicely with a little attention, but if you feel like you're going to be pressed for space, cull it and go with the other 9. i like to have at least a 2 foot by 2 foot square for each plant. if you press them closer than that, they don't grow as well, so you end up with about the same yield with 8 in a 4X8 as you would with 10 in the same space.

Thanks Roger. Maybe it was meant to be culled. I put down 10 seeds, probably more than I should have for a 4x4 SOG, but I didn't know how many would pop so I was being generous. There's 5 different strains in there so the extra space is probably a good idea, I have no idea what I'm getting myself into or how this will pan out.

Roger A. Shrubber · Jun 20, 2022

VictorFlorez said:
Thanks Roger. Maybe it was meant to be culled. I put down 10 seeds, probably more than I should have for a 4x4 SOG, but I didn't know how many would pop so I was being generous. There's 5 different strains in there so the extra space is probably a good idea, I have no idea what I'm getting myself into or how this will pan out.

actually, for a sea of green run, you should go 1 plant per square foot, the point being to grow small plants quickly with only the main cola bud and maybe one side bud. they grow quick, you don't have to veg clones very long, they don't yield much per plant, but the number of plants makes up for it.

VictorFlorez · Jun 20, 2022

Roger A. Shrubber said:
actually, for a sea of green run, you should go 1 plant per square foot, the point being to grow small plants quickly with only the main cola bud and maybe one side bud. they grow quick, you don't have to veg clones very long, they don't yield much per plant, but the number of plants makes up for it.

Oh I see.. 1 per square foot, so that would be 16 plants in a 4x4 if my math isn't terrible? Well I have 8 not including the mutant, they're all grown from seed, not clones. I suppose this means I can veg them out longer and do a bit of training.

Thank you for the info. With 8 plants, would it be a good idea to top them all at least once, to fill up the 4x4 space? Or would that crowd things a bit too much. I guess it's hard to say for sure since they are all going to perform differently.

Roger A. Shrubber · Jun 20, 2022

VictorFlorez said:
Oh I see.. 1 per square foot, so that would be 16 plants in a 4x4 if my math isn't terrible? Well I have 8 not including the mutant, they're all grown from seed, not clones. I suppose this means I can veg them out longer and do a bit of training.

Thank you for the info. With 8 plants, would it be a good idea to top them all at least once, to fill up the 4x4 space? Or would that crowd things a bit too much. I guess it's hard to say for sure since they are all going to perform differently.

if you want to keep running a sog, you should grow at least one of those plants out to be a mother, keep it separate, and top the shit out of it till it's bushy as hell, then take your clones from it. if you have the room, you might want to label them all now, take a couple of cuttings from each one, and keep them till you find the one or two you like the best, then reclone those clones, discarding the rest....a LOT cheaper than just buying seed after seed, and once you find that fire pheno, you know you have it for as long as you want

Grow Monster · Jun 21, 2022

U only need 6 plants to fill that tent wall to wall. Can even be done with 4 if u topping and scrog. Once they get big, 8 will be alot of work. That space will get tight fast making chores harder. Your yield will be close to the same no matter how many plants u stuff in there. if they grow strait up its less yield per plant. Your light, training, strain, veg time and space will dictate how much u get in the end.
I've done 8 girls in a 2.5 x 2.5 giving 3 weeks veg time. They came out bonsai size (1ft) giving 15-30 grams per plant which totaled 5 zips dry yield. Same tent with 2 girls veged 6 weeks gave me 6 zips dry yield. It was more work with less reward. Except I got to run multiple strains. I did 1 girl in same tent and got 6 zips dry yield. So your light and training is most important unless u got low yielding strain. Autos u cant control so much.

VictorFlorez · Jun 21, 2022

Roger A. Shrubber said:
if you want to keep running a sog, you should grow at least one of those plants out to be a mother, keep it separate, and top the shit out of it till it's bushy as hell, then take your clones from it. if you have the room, you might want to label them all now, take a couple of cuttings from each one, and keep them till you find the one or two you like the best, then reclone those clones, discarding the rest....a LOT cheaper than just buying seed after seed, and once you find that fire pheno, you know you have it for as long as you want

Thank you so much for this! I was originally going to grow a couple of mothers from seed in a smaller tent, and then get them nice and bushy for a sog from clones- but I decided to run a whole bunch of seeds to flower first. I will definitely take clones from each if I can, and then sus out the winners for the next run with a true sog.

xtsho · Jun 21, 2022

You should probably stop watering it so much.

VictorFlorez · Jun 21, 2022

Grow Monster said:
U only need 6 plants to fill that tent wall to wall. Can even be done with 4 if u topping and scrog. Once they get big, 8 will be alot of work. That space will get tight fast making chores harder. Your yield will be close to the same no matter how many plants u stuff in there. if they grow strait up its less yield per plant. Your light, training, strain, veg time and space will dictate how much u get in the end.
I've done 8 girls in a 2.5 x 2.5 giving 3 weeks veg time. They came out bonsai size (1ft) giving 15-30 grams per plant which totaled 5 zips dry yield. Same tent with 2 girls veged 6 weeks gave me 6 zips dry yield. It was more work with less reward. Except I got to run multiple strains. I did 1 girl in same tent and got 6 zips dry yield. So your light and training is most important unless u got low yielding strain. Autos u cant control so much.

I see what your saying.. My idea was to run a sog from 10 seeds, not ideal of course, and as Roger said a true sog would require more plants per square foot anyway. I liked the idea of less veg time. I based my plant count on advice from the cocoforcannabis website, which says 9 is a minimum number of plants for a 4x4 sog.

It looks like I'll be stuck with 8 plants, I guess we'll see how it goes. At least I should have the advantage of a variety of clone stock. Cheers for the advice @Grow Monster !

VictorFlorez · Jun 21, 2022

xtsho said:
You should probably stop watering it so much.

Alright, I'll give that a try. Thank you xtsho. Should I stop watering all the seedlings once per day till runoff, or just the mutant?

I thought maybe I should cut down the watering frequency too, but I've been following the advice on https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/ that recommends daily, if not twice daily watering till runoff. I didn't want to start watering twice so I stuck to 1x per day.

xtsho · Jun 21, 2022

VictorFlorez said:
Alright, I'll give that a try. Thank you xtsho. Should I stop watering all the seedlings once per day till runoff, or just the mutant?

I thought maybe I should cut down the watering frequency too, but I've been following the advice on https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/ that recommends daily, if not twice daily watering till runoff. I didn't want to start watering twice so I stuck to 1x per day.

That's for plants with root systems not small seedlings that have just sprouted.

VictorFlorez · Jun 21, 2022

xtsho said:
That's for plants with root systems not small seedlings that have just sprouted.

I see, of course that makes sense. That mutant is actually about 12 days old like the rest of them, but it probably hasn't developed a decent root system yet so I'll take it easy. Thanks again for helping out. I didn't expect to have so many little issues, I feel like an idiot with all of this.

Apologies for all the questions. The others are just today starting to show a couple of tiny roots poking through the holes in the solo cups. Can I stop watering them as often too? I just spotted a couple of white patches of mold growing on 2 of the jiffy pellets, I'm hoping they are from the Great White inoculates but it doesn't look good, and I want to get rid of it asap. I've increased airflow and keeping RH as low as I can, atm about 60-65%.

Roger A. Shrubber · Jun 21, 2022

VictorFlorez said:
I see, of course that makes sense. That mutant is actually about 12 days old like the rest of them, but it probably hasn't developed a decent root system yet so I'll take it easy. Thanks again for helping out. I didn't expect to have so many little issues, I feel like an idiot with all of this.

Apologies for all the questions. The others are just today starting to show a couple of tiny roots poking through the holes in the solo cups. Can I stop watering them as often too? I just spotted a couple of white patches of mold growing on 2 of the jiffy pellets, I'm hoping they are from the Great White inoculates but it doesn't look good, and I want to get rid of it asap. I've increased airflow and keeping RH as low as I can, atm about 60-65%.

there are a couple of methods for dealing with that. you can add pool shock to your water, or hydrogen peroxide.
i add 2 grams of pool shock to a gallon of distilled water( doesn't have to be distilled, i just use it so it throws off my ppm as little as possible) and then add 200 ml of that to each gallon of feed i make. that kills any pathogens in the soil, and it will kill that mold, too.
if you're using hydrogen peroxide (h2o2) then it depends on the strength of the h2o2...if all you can get is the 3% stuff from the drug store, i use 20 ml of that per gallon of feed, basically does the same thing as pool shock, and also oxygenates the root zone, but it is very slightly more damaging to your roots. not like you're going to do any real damage at the strength it is being used at, just something to be aware of.
when they're young, and haven't put out a good root system yet, you want to go light, maybe use a dropper or syringe to just water a little around the plant's base until it starts to take off...you can tell when they start growing vigorously.

VictorFlorez · Jun 21, 2022

Roger A. Shrubber said:
there are a couple of methods for dealing with that. you can add pool shock to your water, or hydrogen peroxide.
i add 2 grams of pool shock to a gallon of distilled water( doesn't have to be distilled, i just use it so it throws off my ppm as little as possible) and then add 200 ml of that to each gallon of feed i make. that kills any pathogens in the soil, and it will kill that mold, too.
if you're using hydrogen peroxide (h2o2) then it depends on the strength of the h2o2...if all you can get is the 3% stuff from the drug store, i use 20 ml of that per gallon of feed, basically does the same thing as pool shock, and also oxygenates the root zone, but it is very slightly more damaging to your roots. not like you're going to do any real damage at the strength it is being used at, just something to be aware of.
when they're young, and haven't put out a good root system yet, you want to go light, maybe use a dropper or syringe to just water a little around the plant's base until it starts to take off...you can tell when they start growing vigorously.

You're a legend, I can't thank you enough! I have some 6% w/v hydrogen peroxide right in front of me. I might dilute a little bit of it and put a drop or two straight onto that white patch right now and then try using a little bit more with the next watering.

I'll give it a few waterings with the peroxide, and then maybe try using the Great White again when I pot up into larger containers. Fingers crossed everything goes well.

Grow Monster · Jun 22, 2022

VictorFlorez said:
I see what your saying.. My idea was to run a sog from 10 seeds, not ideal of course, and as Roger said a true sog would require more plants per square foot anyway. I liked the idea of less veg time. I based my plant count on advice from the cocoforcannabis website, which says 9 is a minimum number of plants for a 4x4 sog.

It looks like I'll be stuck with 8 plants, I guess we'll see how it goes. At least I should have the advantage of a variety of clone stock. Cheers for the advice @Grow Monster !

If u get a chance check out "welcome to the grow tent" on youtube. He fills a 5x5 wall to wall with only 6 plants. He gets baseball bat size Monster buds. If u dont wanna veg long u might not wanna do training. They will need recovery time(fim/topn) but thats how to get the most from each plant. When I had the 8 in the small tent I let em grow strait up to save space and still had em wall to wall just cuz of how many it was.
If u run into any issues with that many in there it will be bonkers. U will literally have to crawl in there on yo stomach. Once the scrog is up even harder. Not to mention when u need to flush plants. Hope u can get all around access in your tent when it fills up.

Best of luck growing bro. :weed:

VictorFlorez · Jun 22, 2022

Grow Monster said:
If u get a chance check out "welcome to the grow tent" on youtube. He fills a 5x5 wall to wall with only 6 plants. He gets baseball bat size Monster buds. If u dont wanna veg long u might not wanna do training. They will need recovery time(fim/topn) but thats how to get the most from each plant. When I had the 8 in the small tent I let em grow strait up to save space and still had em wall to wall just cuz of how many it was.
If u run into any issues with that many in there it will be bonkers. U will literally have to crawl in there on yo stomach. Once the scrog is up even harder. Not to mention when u need to flush plants. Hope u can get all around access in your tent when it fills up.

Best of luck growing bro.

I've got some free time so I'll have a look at that vid right now.

I'm still figuring out how I'm going to tackle this in the long run since my original idea didn't pan out. The tent has 3/4 sides access which will be handy but if need be I can set up another small tent to take the pressure off if need be.

Thanks, I appreciate you. I'll need the luck.

VictorFlorez · Jun 22, 2022

@Grow Monster Long veg or not, my main goal would be too fill this tent but not overfill. How I'm going to do that with 8 plants I guess I'll find out. I'm bound to get some extra branches if I want to clone them all, which I do.

Grow Monster · Jun 22, 2022

VictorFlorez said:
@Grow Monster Long veg or not, my main goal would be too fill this tent but not overfill. How I'm going to do that with 8 plants I guess I'll find out. I'm bound to get some extra branches if I want to clone them all, which I do.

Just curious to how much u wanna play with em. Training and whatnot. U will learn a ton either way. 1st time run with multiple strains can get tricky. All the same environment/feeding and they all can act differently. Keep me posted. I like to hear how it goes for u. Sometimes it just works. Those plants size might be perfect for that tent even without training. :hump:

VictorFlorez · Jun 23, 2022

Grow Monster said:
Just curious to how much u wanna play with em. Training and whatnot. U will learn a ton either way. 1st time run with multiple strains can get tricky. All the same environment/feeding and they all can act differently. Keep me posted. I like to hear how it goes for u. Sometimes it just works. Those plants size might be perfect for that tent even without training.

Absolutely. I started a journal for it so you can check out the progress anytime, I'll try to keep up with updating it and as always I welcome your input. https://www.rollitup.org/t/victors-first-indoor-grow-4x4-a-variety-of-familiar-strains-from-seedsman.1076231/#post-16978755

I have the urge to top them all soon so that I can get a couple of branches to play with for taking clones, other than that I'll probably keep the training as minimal as possible. I worry now that even a single top might branch things out too much and I'll run out of room. Guess we'll sit back and see how this all pans out!

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