Who's on the right VS who's on the left

Who is right and who is left


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jrh72582

Well-Known Member
What's to predict? We are at or near bottom, and the fed has pushed the money in January to make it all happen. It's the private sector making it happen, not the Government, so you are already wrong....:lol:

There will be a "honeymoon" fiscally before the real burdens are set in concrete from the Obama admin. Then after awhile, ANY tick upwards will be met with cheers. Unfortunately the percentage of the uptick will be quite low compared to what we had from the reagan years, you know, when someone actually got what it really takes to get the economy moving.
Reagan accomplished this feat by engaging in reckless spending, much like Obama. Let's see.......star wars, war on drugs, cold war, etc...... Wasteful and useless spending.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
Reagan accomplished this feat by engaging in reckless spending, much like Obama. Let's see.......star wars, war on drugs, cold war, etc...... Wasteful and useless spending.
Star Wars - bankrupted the Soviet Union ending the Cold War

War on Drugs - well, I can't argue that it wasn't a waste, but I can argue that it began under FDR and thus Reagan wasn't completely responsible for the stupidity of this policy.

Cold War - Let's not forget that it was once again FDR (and Eisenhower) who refused to allow Patton to march East as quickly as possible, capture Berlin and then continue onto Poland. Had the United States moved aggressively (and not kowtowed to the demand of Stalin) it could have effectively put a lid on Soviet Aggression at the end of World War II. Better would have been to just continued marching onto Moscow and killing two birds with one stone. Another FDR/Truman Policy Mistake of ignoring the fact that while we were ostensibly "allied" with the Soviets they were not our friends. So throwing the Cold War up there ignores the fact that it was, to throw your own defense of Hussein "The Insane" Obama in your faces, something that Reagan inherited.

Also can not ignore the fact that there was soaring Medicare/Medicaid Costs and soaring Social Security Costs.

Of course the focus on spending ignores the real genius of Reagan's (and Kennedy's policies before him) policies of cutting taxes drastically and allowing the free market loose to create wealth through the ingenuity and industriousness of human beings.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
Yeah but Regan went from 70% to the highest bracket, down to 28%. All while still spending at the same rates.

Of course when you cut that much money it will generate a ass load of business, and bring in more amounts of taxes, but seriously a 42% tax cut? And we wonder why it has been so hard to keep a balanced budget, spend the same and cut taxes by 60% on the people at the top.

Kennedy took it from 91% on the top, to 77%, so about 16% lowering. One is genius, the other maybe a lot too much.


And you guys forgot the nuclear missile program. That was a colossal waste. We could have stopped at 1000 nukes, and pretended to pump out 3000. That would have saved about 6 trillion dollars.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
Yeah but Regan went from 70% to the highest bracket, down to 28%. All while still spending at the same rates.

Of course when you cut that much money it will generate a ass load of business, and bring in more amounts of taxes, but seriously a 42% tax cut? And we wonder why it has been so hard to keep a balanced budget, spend the same and cut taxes by 60% on the people at the top.

Kennedy took it from 91% on the top, to 77%, so about 16% lowering. One is genius, the other maybe a lot too much.


And you guys forgot the nuclear missile program. That was a colossal waste. We could have stopped at 1000 nukes, and pretended to pump out 3000. That would have saved about 6 trillion dollars.
The simple, sane and logical answer to achieving a balanced budget has always been to end the Socialist Welfare State.

Let those that desire to live, live and let the walking dead that have no desire to be men die. Fair, equitable and just.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Reagan understood the great power of the human spirit coupled with Capitalism. Reagan understood that if you lower taxes....govt. revenue goes UP, not DOWN. This seems to be a mystery to Obama. By the way, the govt. stands to take in a record LOW in taxes this year. Just an illustration that A.) Obama is an idiot. or B.) He doesn't really care about the economy prospering.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
Reagan understood the great power of the human spirit coupled with Capitalism. Reagan understood that if you lower taxes....govt. revenue goes UP, not DOWN. This seems to be a mystery to Obama. By the way, the govt. stands to take in a record LOW in taxes this year. Just an illustration that A.) Obama is an idiot. or B.) He doesn't really care about the economy prospering.
Tax Revenues for the next four years continue to decline.

What do you think Jax?
 

Johnnyorganic

Well-Known Member
Reagan understood the great power of the human spirit coupled with Capitalism. Reagan understood that if you lower taxes....govt. revenue goes UP, not DOWN. This seems to be a mystery to Obama. By the way, the govt. stands to take in a record LOW in taxes this year. Just an illustration that A.) Obama is an idiot. or B.) He doesn't really care about the economy prospering.
The President is definitely not an idiot. He stated categorically as (Manchurian) Candidate Obama that the issue of higher (capital gains) taxes was not about government revenues, rather it was about 'fairness.'

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CrackerJax

New Member
Tax Revenues for the next four years continue to decline.

What do you think Jax?
Absolutely, it's already in the cards. People look ahead, smart ones anyway. Once you telegraph high taxes, ppl run to ground. No one likes to actually pay them so when the Govt. gives them an excuse to hate them, they do with fervor. Some ppl actually move assets offshore to protect them...:wink: Yes lower revenue ahead.

The President is definitely not an idiot. He stated categorically as (Manchurian) Candidate Obama that the issue of higher (capital gains) taxes was not about government revenues, rather it was about 'fairness.'

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I agree Johnny, but I wanted to be fair. I know he's no idiot, which leaves me with a much worse answer. :sad:
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
Absolutely, it's already in the cards. People look ahead, smart ones anyway. Once you telegraph high taxes, ppl run to ground. No one likes to actually pay them so when the Govt. gives them an excuse to hate them, they do with fervor. Some ppl actually move assets offshore to protect them...:wink: Yes lower revenue ahead.




I agree Johnny, but I wanted to be fair. I know he's no idiot, which leaves me with a much worse answer. :sad:
I liked that little comment, "News Flash : Life is supposed to be fair"

No, I'm rather convinced that he is both an idiot and a Socialist, being one does not preclude the other, but I would go so far as saying that the first is a prerequisite of the latter.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
He's educated, but without 'common sense". he allows his politics to drive his economic policies. The left doesn't have economic policies which don't cause carnage, but he plows ahead anyway. He was a lackey in the senate and he's a lackey now.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
You guys have your head up your asses? Regan never had a balanced budget, the only president that has since Lyndon Johnson was a Left wing Clinton.

Who had taxes at the same level we have now.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
Son, stop right now and go read an economics book. You haven't a clue to what you are posting....... seriously...:roll:
You are a joke CJ.

You guys have your head up your asses? Regan never had a balanced budget, the only president that has since Lyndon Johnson was a Left wing Clinton.

Who had taxes at the same level we have now.
What is untrue there? I will wait while you find a conspiracy blog that tells you the answer.
 

jrh72582

Well-Known Member
Star Wars - bankrupted the Soviet Union ending the Cold War

War on Drugs - well, I can't argue that it wasn't a waste, but I can argue that it began under FDR and thus Reagan wasn't completely responsible for the stupidity of this policy.

Cold War - Let's not forget that it was once again FDR (and Eisenhower) who refused to allow Patton to march East as quickly as possible, capture Berlin and then continue onto Poland. Had the United States moved aggressively (and not kowtowed to the demand of Stalin) it could have effectively put a lid on Soviet Aggression at the end of World War II. Better would have been to just continued marching onto Moscow and killing two birds with one stone. Another FDR/Truman Policy Mistake of ignoring the fact that while we were ostensibly "allied" with the Soviets they were not our friends. So throwing the Cold War up there ignores the fact that it was, to throw your own defense of Hussein "The Insane" Obama in your faces, something that Reagan inherited.

Also can not ignore the fact that there was soaring Medicare/Medicaid Costs and soaring Social Security Costs.

Of course the focus on spending ignores the real genius of Reagan's (and Kennedy's policies before him) policies of cutting taxes drastically and allowing the free market loose to create wealth through the ingenuity and industriousness of human beings.
Sometimes, this strategy works quite well. Other times........


You cannot believe that a strict capitalist system with no flex room can and will absolutely work for a governed body of people. All systems change and adapt. The days of relying upon free markets and the industriousness of humans is over.

The free markets, as it turns out, have been corrupted and are no longer 'free'. They are manipulated and controlled to keep the common man down and the rich man rich. This unfair design stymies the industriousness you mentioned and the system turns into a nightmare. A tyrannical grip upon the people, demanding that anyone who wishes to better himself through education put himself so far in debt that he's a slave by the time he's finished. Capitalism - ideally (and in Reagan's time) I'd take it. But when it comes so corrupted that it combines the people, then it must go. And one of the clear strides towards an egalitarian is an adoption of socialist tendencies to even out the unfairly designed system. This capitalism that you tout disadvantages 85% of the population. I'd say an evening out is needed.

Always remember:

1. 85% of the wealth in America is owned by 15%. So for every dollar, 15 people share .85 and 85 people share .15.

AND

2. The biggest trick the rich ever played on the middle class was to convince them to blame the poor for their problems.

Peace.
 

purplekitty7772008

Well-Known Member
`So Ilkan, you have now made it personal. I have no intentions of forcing anyone to do anything. You seem to be deluded in labeling me as someone that wants to shove something unwanted down their throat. Take the Obama medical reform plan before it was crushed in conference. It always allowed people to keep their current insurance or change to an insurance of their choice. I was in favor of that. It also offered a public option which would allow everyone to have some kind of health insurance, and also keep the private sector on their toes with pricing. I get called a comie fascist for this??? THis smacks of brainwash from FOX news or the far right. I just don't get what is wrong with this program. The only ones with something to lose are the insurance assholes that are screwing us over completely. Please tell me you aren't so selfish as to deprive 50 million people of medical insurance over a 2.5% tax. Think about health and see if you can't really admit it should be a right, not a priveledge of the rich. The current health care situation can not be sustained. There are 50+ million un-insured and growing, millions are going bankrtupt over medical bills, and you and those on the right favor the status quo, or actually, the insurance companies, and I'm a commie. This is complete insanity
Health Insurance shouldn't be a right. Its something you work for and earn. All of America shouldn't have to foot the bill for the people who fucked up in life. Its not our fault.

I mean, there are always those situations where people need some
help. Shit happens in life that we can't control, and some people
are dealt bad hands in life....

But I'm talking about all the lazy fucktards who don't want to get off their ass, get a degree, and a decent career that provides good health insurance. They want to sit at home and pity themselves because
of the life they have, knowing they can do something about it.

thats the problem now, America thinks everything should be a right.
I don't. I say get off your ass and work for what you want in life,

don't expect the government and the citizens of this country to
take care of you or feel sorry for you because you decided to
drop out of high school and work at Mickey D's.

That's the problem with some of the poor people of America. They see successful people with all of the things they have acquired through
hard work, and feel that even they are "entitled" to it although
they haven't worked to get it themselves. So they expect a
handout, instead of a handup to get themselves going.

They expect everything to be given to them because they
think its a "right". They feel entitlement for everything the
successful person has in the name "equality".

Bullshit.

Get off your ass and don't expect everything to be given to you
because you feel sorry for youself. (not directed at you MM, just in

general)

I do think health care is expensive, and that costs should be brought down, but not through the government. They fuck up everything,

and I don't see why anyone would want to put their health in the
hands of the government. They don't give a shit about your health,
just how fat their pockets get from screwing you over.
Not saying pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies
don't fuck you over, but the government is going to do it with a
20" dildo if we let them.

Just my .02.
 

purplekitty7772008

Well-Known Member
Sometimes, this strategy works quite well. Other times........


You cannot believe that a strict capitalist system with no flex room can and will absolutely work for a governed body of people. All systems change and adapt. The days of relying upon free markets and the industriousness of humans is over.

The free markets, as it turns out, have been corrupted and are no longer 'free'. They are manipulated and controlled to keep the common man down and the rich man rich. This unfair design stymies the industriousness you mentioned and the system turns into a nightmare. A tyrannical grip upon the people, demanding that anyone who wishes to better himself through education put himself so far in debt that he's a slave by the time he's finished. Capitalism - ideally (and in Reagan's time) I'd take it. But when it comes so corrupted that it combines the people, then it must go. And one of the clear strides towards an egalitarian is an adoption of socialist tendencies to even out the unfairly designed system. This capitalism that you tout disadvantages 85% of the population. I'd say an evening out is needed.

Always remember:

1. 85% of the wealth in America is owned by 15%. So for every dollar, 15 people share .85 and 85 people share .15.

AND

2. The biggest trick the rich ever played on the middle class was to convince them to blame the poor for their problems.

Peace.
Completely agree with that.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
Sometimes, this strategy works quite well. Other times........


You cannot believe that a strict capitalist system with no flex room can and will absolutely work for a governed body of people. All systems change and adapt. The days of relying upon free markets and the industriousness of humans is over.

The free markets, as it turns out, have been corrupted and are no longer 'free'. They are manipulated and controlled to keep the common man down and the rich man rich. This unfair design stymies the industriousness you mentioned and the system turns into a nightmare. A tyrannical grip upon the people, demanding that anyone who wishes to better himself through education put himself so far in debt that he's a slave by the time he's finished. Capitalism - ideally (and in Reagan's time) I'd take it. But when it comes so corrupted that it combines the people, then it must go. And one of the clear strides towards an egalitarian is an adoption of socialist tendencies to even out the unfairly designed system. This capitalism that you tout disadvantages 85% of the population. I'd say an evening out is needed.

Always remember:

1. 85% of the wealth in America is owned by 15%. So for every dollar, 15 people share .85 and 85 people share .15.

AND

2. The biggest trick the rich ever played on the middle class was to convince them to blame the poor for their problems.

Peace.
Great post, you hit on some of the big problems of our system. Another thing is that the government regulators are just as corrupt as the capitalists. They look the other way even when the market manipulation is OBVIOUS! Greed begets more greed just as power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The ordinary man can still come out ahead by using his head and really SEEING the world he lives in. Cash is not wealth, it is only someone elses debt. Wealthy individuals do not have sacks of cash lying around.
 

jrh72582

Well-Known Member
Great post, you hit on some of the big problems of our system. Another thing is that the government regulators are just as corrupt as the capitalists. They look the other way even when the market manipulation is OBVIOUS! Greed begets more greed just as power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The ordinary man can still come out ahead by using his head and really SEEING the world he lives in. Cash is not wealth, it is only someone elses debt. Wealthy individuals do not have sacks of cash lying around.
Two things:

1. The first bolded text is one of the my favorite quotes ever - cannot be more true.

2. The second bolded section is quite true as well. It bothers me that more people don't know this. Liquid assets do very little. I've been trying to tell all my friends to buy stocks the last two months, but they've simply been hoarding their money and it's ALMOST too late. I've NEVER made easier money in my life than in the past two months. If you have money right now, you need to buy stocks. As an example, I bought a stock two months ago in high quantity for $1.96 a share. I just sold it for over $9.00. And there are SO many examples of stocks just like this. Hundreds. Mid- regional banks, construction based companies (like insulation producers), and many others are a steal right now. So, for your own interest, BUY STOCKS!!!
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
Two things:

1. The first bolded text is one of the my favorite quotes ever - cannot be more true.

2. The second bolded section is quite true as well. It bothers me that more people don't know this. Liquid assets do very little. I've been trying to tell all my friends to buy stocks the last two months, but they've simply been hoarding their money and it's ALMOST too late. I've NEVER made easier money in my life than in the past two months. If you have money right now, you need to buy stocks. As an example, I bought a stock two months ago in high quantity for $1.96 a share. I just sold it for over $9.00. And there are SO many examples of stocks just like this. Hundreds. Mid- regional banks, construction based companies (like insulation producers), and many others are a steal right now. So, for your own interest, BUY STOCKS!!!
Hmmm. You sound GREEDY.
 
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