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skunky33

Active Member
I truly don't understand why pot smoking conservatives vote for people who hate them? I'm not "liberal" but I'm definitely not a conservative. Libertarians used to be pro-legalization but the people who are attracted to it now are more about bashing liberals and never vote for socially liberal pro marijuana candidates. I have a friend who smokes a lot and he is totally pro Reagan con. It's so freakin bizarro to be smoking with someone who rally's for groups who want to lock him up for the rest of his life for 3 simple cannabis possession charges. He's pretty brainwashed by the media and his family though he really doesn't know what conservatives candidates believe in this area which is throw away the key for three possessions just like Reagan.
 

skunky33

Active Member
Based on your logic all Democrats who smoke weed are either unemployed losers or brokedicks on disability. See how ludicrous that statement reads? Your assertion regarding Conservative or Republican cannabis users is just as moronic. That monolithic sword cuts both ways.

If you think all Democrats are on board with re-legalization, I want some of what you are smoking. Democrats started the ball rolling after all. However, I will not defend Republicans because I cannot unless the Republican is Ron Paul. I will defend Conservatives. I will also defend the right to use cannabis regardless of one's political views. Freedom and liberty are at the core of the cannabis issue.

You mention states rights and use the issues of of gay marriage and cannabis. Both are issues left for the states to decide. Let me ask you a question; as the voters in California determined that gay marriage was not acceptable do you still consider it a states right issue or would you have the federal government intervene? In fact, a substantial number of issues near and dear to the hearts of Leftists are actually states rights issues per the 10th Amendment. Tell me please where health care is delegated to the federal government in the Constitution?

I will give you one point, Obama did back off on the medical cannabis issue. Good for him. Kinda makes you wonder why Clinton didn't do it when states first started moving away from the federal government in reference to medical cannabis.

By the way, this is not strictly a medical cannabis site.
I'm socially liberal. Conservatives smoking weed is so hypocritical it's laughable. The problem is that they have no idea what or who they support all they know is liberal = enemy from unschooled uneducated pundits.

We sure live in a bizarre world where facts are false and truth is the enemy. What you've stated has absolutely no base in reality. #1 The constitution doesn't even state that America is a capitalist country...lol the constitution is a document that empowers the congress to pass and veto bills. No bill passed in the last 75 years has been in the constitution which was just made as a guide line for government as stated in the CONSTITUTION. Your statements are just so absurdly ridiculous. #2 leftism isn't liberalism leftism is economic. #3 What states rights have conservatives supported? gay marriage? no. Any? no...it's just a political stunt, a rally point for Texans and the southern voting block.

Reagan your beloved mentor passed the NATIONAL three strikes you're out and utterly destroyed Carters attepts at legalization of MJ. Reagan also started the war on drugs in which MJ was demonized and users were subjected to draconian laws in which the conservative population was still raw over the anti veitnam pot smoking counter culture. Reagan also passed Mandatory minimum drug sentences in 1986. This was the first time Congress passed mandatory minimum sentences since the Boggs Act in 1951 and you talk about states rights under conservatives- what a joke!

Federal sentencing guidelines: Under this new method of sentencing which went into effect in 1987, prison time is determined mostly by the weight of the drugs involved in the offense. Parole was abolished and prisoners must serve 85% of their sentence. Except in rare situations, judges can no longer factor in the character of the defendant, the effect of incarceration on his or her dependents, and in large part, the nature and circumstances of the crime. The only way to receive a more lenient sentence is to act as an informant against others and hope that the prosecutor is willing to deal. The guidelines in effect stripped Article III of their sentencing discretion and turned it over to prosecutors.

the number of those imprisoned on drug offences in America has quadrupled to over 2 million. These are legacies we are still fighting today.

[SIZE=-1]"I now have absolute proof that smoking even one
marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being
on Bikini Island during a hydrogen bomb blast"

Ronald Reagan

[/SIZE]
Carlton Turner, Reagan's first drug czar, believed that marijuana use was inextricably linked to "the present young-adult generation's involvement in anti-military, anti-nuclear power, anti-big business, anti-authority demonstrations." A public-health approach to drug control was replaced by an emphasis on law enforcement.

Newt Gingrich introduced legislation demanding either a life sentence or the death penalty for anyone caught bringing more than two ounces of marijuana into the United States. Gingrich's bill attracted twenty-six co-sponsors, though it failed to reach the House floor.

These efforts are still supported by the vast majority of conservatives in office. This is reality, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity are not.
 

Johnnyorganic

Well-Known Member
You appear to have confused Conservative with Republican. I'm no Republican.

I stated previously that I will not defend Republicans unless we are discussing Ron Paul. You must have missed that. :dunce:
I'm socially liberal. Conservatives smoking weed is so hypocritical it's laughable. The problem is that they have no idea what or who they support all they know is liberal = enemy from unschooled uneducated pundits.
Over generalization. Brilliant.

Defending the First Amendment as an individual right, but not the Second Amendment - that's hypocrisy.

Or classic hypocrisy: Promoting First Amendment rights for yourself and denying them to dissenters. Fairness doctrine, anyone?
We sure live in a bizarre world where facts are false and truth is the enemy. What you've stated has absolutely no base in reality. #1 The constitution doesn't even state that America is a capitalist country...lol the constitution is a document that empowers the congress to pass and veto bills. No bill passed in the last 75 years has been in the constitution which was just made as a guide line for government as stated in the CONSTITUTION. Your statements are just so absurdly ridiculous.
We can debate free markets and the Constitution if you wish, but that is for another thread.

Kindly demonstrate by example where I stated the Constitution endorses any specific economic system? I especially want to see an example of where I stated that Constitutionally, America is a capitalist country. LOL?

You are correct that most of the laws enacted in the last 75 years would not pass Constitutional muster. That does not excuse them.

While we're on the subject of the Constitution, the Legislative Branch does not have the power of veto. LOL! That power lies only in the Executive Branch. Congress has the power to override a Presidential veto. That is all.
#2 leftism isn't liberalism leftism is economic.
Okay.... Whatever you say; but is it correct to say that most (Modern) Liberals embrace Leftist economic theory?

Ironically, many of my Republican friends, family, and acquaintances call me Liberal. I smile and agree with them because on many issues, I am.

And if you want to split hairs, I can do that as well. Me, I'm a Liberal, too. A Classical Liberal. Or Jeffersonian Liberal, if you prefer.
#3 What states rights have conservatives supported? gay marriage? no. Any? no...it's just a political stunt, a rally point for Texans and the southern voting block.
Anything not specifically designated in the Constitution as a federal issue is the responsibility for the states to address themselves.
Reagan your beloved mentor passed the NATIONAL three strikes you're out and utterly destroyed Carters attepts at legalization of MJ. Reagan also started the war on drugs in which MJ was demonized and users were subjected to draconian laws in which the conservative population was still raw over the anti veitnam pot smoking counter culture. Reagan also passed Mandatory minimum drug sentences in 1986. This was the first time Congress passed mandatory minimum sentences since the Boggs Act in 1951 and you talk about states rights under conservatives- what a joke!

Federal sentencing guidelines: Under this new method of sentencing which went into effect in 1987, prison time is determined mostly by the weight of the drugs involved in the offense. Parole was abolished and prisoners must serve 85% of their sentence. Except in rare situations, judges can no longer factor in the character of the defendant, the effect of incarceration on his or her dependents, and in large part, the nature and circumstances of the crime. The only way to receive a more lenient sentence is to act as an informant against others and hope that the prosecutor is willing to deal. The guidelines in effect stripped Article III of their sentencing discretion and turned it over to prosecutors.

the number of those imprisoned on drug offences in America has quadrupled to over 2 million. These are legacies we are still fighting today.

[SIZE=-1]"I now have absolute proof that smoking even one
marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being
on Bikini Island during a hydrogen bomb blast"

Ronald Reagan

[/SIZE]
Carlton Turner, Reagan's first drug czar, believed that marijuana use was inextricably linked to "the present young-adult generation's involvement in anti-military, anti-nuclear power, anti-big business, anti-authority demonstrations." A public-health approach to drug control was replaced by an emphasis on law enforcement.
Please do not expect me to defend Reagan because I cannot. He was a mediocre President at best. In the context of the last 50 years, that is not saying much.

Don't attempt to pigeonhole me politically. I will not be a part of your little ideological round up. And you cannot dictate to me my own political sensibilities.
Newt Gingrich introduced legislation demanding either a life sentence or the death penalty for anyone caught bringing more than two ounces of marijuana into the United States. Gingrich's bill attracted twenty-six co-sponsors, though it failed to reach the House floor.
I'm not a big Gingrich fan either. In fact, it was on his watch as speaker that I stopped identifying myself as Republican.

By the way, you are aware that Newt favors medical cannabis, right?

Goddamn heartless Conservative!
These efforts are still supported by the vast majority of conservatives in office. This is reality, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity are not.
So in one post you've moved away from all Conservatives to the vast majority.

There is that. :clap:
 

skunky33

Active Member
Johnnyorganic,
You said health care was not in the constitution. Well, I stated not even our economic system is in the constitution. Most things are not, but most like the US highway system are good idea's. You criticize the people that decriminalized while you support people who demonize it. In you're post you basically put yourself on one side and demonized the other. Clinton was not a liberal not one thing he passed was "liberal" decriminalization is liberal and so is legalization. In fact you really can't find a better use for the the word "liberal" as in "liberal drug policies" What conservatives in office do you support that support your ideas? Being a "Jeffersonian liberal" means squat. That's what most conservatives think they are. It's just that many of them believe it's constitutional to put someone in prison for a little bag of weed.
 

Johnnyorganic

Well-Known Member
Johnnyorganic,
You said health care was not in the constitution. Well, I stated not even our economic system is in the constitution. Most things are not, but most like the US highway system are good idea's.
The federal highway system is Constitutional.
You criticize the people that decriminalized while you support people who demonize it. In you're post you basically put yourself on one side and demonized the other.
I criticize Progressives because their policies damage the country. But, many times I have voiced support for anyone forwarding the cause of decriminalization, medical cannabis, or re-legalization.

I'm on the side of liberty. Perhaps you should get to know some of us here before you go shooting off your keyboard because obviously you don't know diddly about my positions on anything.
Clinton was not a liberal not one thing he passed was "liberal" decriminalization is liberal and so is legalization.
Clinton started out quite Liberal. Don't Ask, Don't Tell, the monumentally high tax increase which required a tie-breaking vote in the Senate from Al Gore, and the Brady Bill. But Clinton is a very intelligent man and a shrewd politician. After the drubbing his party received in 1994 as a direct result of his Liberal policies, he was hamstrung by a Republican Congress. As a result, employed a technique he called 'triangulation.' Clinton gets a lot of credit, but in the last six years of his administration he signed most of the acts for which he gets credit reluctantly. Welfare reform and the balanced budget were Republican initiatives. And the great economy Clinton gets credit for was largely due to the Y2K scare. Billions upon billions of dollars were spent both privately and publicly to avert Y2K. This energized the economy and created the tech bubble which collapsed shortly afterward. In other words, he was lucky to be able to preside over a healthy economy.

But Clinton did many harmful things to the country. Fucked up Somalia, admittedly an inherited conflict, but his actions under the criminally incompetent William Christopher embarrassed the country. In fact, it was Clinton's response to Somalia that demonstrated to Osama bin Laden that the U.S. could be beaten. He gutted the CIA, preferring political correctness to effective intelligence. He virtually ignored the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 and then treated it as a law enforcement matter instead of what it was - an act of war. He presided over Ruby Ridge and Waco, both of which were handled badly, breeding a great deal of distrust among common folks. In fact, it was Waco that was directly connected to the Oklahoma City bombing. He sent American troops to deal with a European crisis in Bosnia. Ultimately bombing Sarajevo at the urging of the war criminal Madeline Albright. When two American Embassies in East Africa were bombed he sent a few cruise missiles into the desert. When confronted with a legitimate opportunity to kill or capture bin Laden, he chose to do nothing, preferring to 'mention' him to George Bush on his first day in office. Al Queda bombing of American military facilities in Saudi Arabia 1995 - no effective response from Clinton. Same thing goes for the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole in Yemen in 2000. Clinton projected weakness to the lsamists throughout both terms and they capitalized on it.

And Clinton did not do one fucking thing in favor of cannabis. In fact, his cowardly 'I did not inhale' probably did more damage to our movement because it showed he was not serious about helping. Funding for the War on Drugs increased under Clinton, as did cannabis related arrests, and our prison population. Don't lecture me on how wonderful the Democrats are in reference to the War on Drugs because the historical record indicates otherwise.

And Presidents can't pass anything. Congress passes legislation and the President signs it or vetos it. The Vice-President, as President of the Senate has more power to pass legislation than the POTUS. Smart Presidents shepherd their agenda through Congress.
In fact you really can't find a better use for the the word "liberal" as in "liberal drug policies"
Now you are muddling up terms. The literary definition of liberal differs markedly from the political definition.
What conservatives in office do you support that support your ideas? Being a "Jeffersonian liberal" means squat. That's what most conservatives think they are. It's just that many of them believe it's constitutional to put someone in prison for a little bag of weed.
I support Ron Paul. He's one of very few Republicans I do support. Most of the politicians I support you probably have never heard of. In fact, I have feeling you have never heard the name of the person I voted for President last election: Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party.

Your statement about Jeffersonian Liberals indicates your own ignorance. Many Republicans have no idea what it means to be Conservative. They have bought into the misguided Progressive notion that the U.S. was founded as a democracy. They support the fascist policies of the Democratic party which has led to the Corporatism Progressives call Capitalism.
 

SmokeyMcChokey

Well-Known Member
Obama Youth?

LOL!

The only thing I see some of these fat motherfuckers attacking is a triple cheeseburger with bacon.

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And any shooter will tell you nobody could shoot the broad side of a barn using the gangsta twist.

No, we're not overly concerned with the Obama Youth.

Although the shiny Lost in Space boots are a nice touch. :lol:
aahahahahahahaha
 

skunky33

Active Member
The federal highway system is Constitutional.

Really so the taking of private property is constitutional now?

I criticize Progressives because their policies damage the country. But, many times I have voiced support for anyone forwarding the cause of decriminalization, medical cannabis, or re-legalization.

What has a republican ever done in the past 140 years?

I'm on the side of liberty. Perhaps you should get to know some of us here before you go shooting off your keyboard because obviously you don't know diddly about my positions on anything.

Clinton started out quite Liberal. Don't Ask, Don't Tell,

That's "liberal" wow, so important.


the monumentally high tax increase which required a tie-breaking vote in the Senate from Al Gore, and the Brady Bill. But Clinton is a very intelligent man and a shrewd politician. After the drubbing his party received in 1994 as a direct result of his Liberal policies, he was hamstrung by a Republican Congress. As a result, employed a technique he called 'triangulation.' Clinton gets a lot of credit, but in the last six years of his administration he signed most of the acts for which he gets credit reluctantly. Welfare reform and the balanced budget were Republican initiatives. And the great economy Clinton gets credit for was largely due to the Y2K scare. Billions upon billions of dollars were spent both privately and publicly to avert Y2K. This energized the economy and created the tech bubble which collapsed shortly afterward. In other words, he was lucky to be able to preside over a healthy economy.

Economic based arguments are called left and right. Liberal economic policies are actually right wing. I don't take my definitions from uneducated pundits. I take them from people who spend their lives studying not talking.


But Clinton did many harmful things to the country. Fucked up Somalia, admittedly an inherited conflict, but his actions under the criminally incompetent William Christopher embarrassed the country. In fact, it was Clinton's response to Somalia that demonstrated to Osama bin Laden that the U.S. could be beaten. He gutted the CIA, preferring political correctness to effective intelligence. He virtually ignored the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 and then treated it as a law enforcement matter instead of what it was - an act of war. He presided over Ruby Ridge and Waco, both of which were handled badly, breeding a great deal of distrust among common folks. In fact, it was Waco that was directly connected to the Oklahoma City bombing. He sent American troops to deal with a European crisis in Bosnia. Ultimately bombing Sarajevo at the urging of the war criminal Madeline Albright. When two American Embassies in East Africa were bombed he sent a few cruise missiles into the desert. When confronted with a legitimate opportunity to kill or capture bin Laden, he chose to do nothing, preferring to 'mention' him to George Bush on his first day in office. Al Queda bombing of American military facilities in Saudi Arabia 1995 - no effective response from Clinton. Same thing goes for the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole in Yemen in 2000. Clinton projected weakness to the lsamists throughout both terms and they capitalized on it.

How exactly is this liberal? I can already tell that you don't understand simple political terminology. Somehow everything that is bad that happens in government is "leftist" or "liberal" even if it's a case of strategy or circumstance. Not too mention their is a whole other side to all these arguments, Your arguments all come straight out of punditry almost word for word. Do you know the other side or are you only interested in protecting your simplified world view?

And Clinton did not do one fucking thing in favor of cannabis. In fact, his cowardly 'I did not inhale' probably did more damage to our movement because it showed he was not serious about helping. Funding for the War on Drugs increased under Clinton, as did cannabis related arrests, and our prison population. Don't lecture me on how wonderful the Democrats are in reference to the War on Drugs because the historical record indicates otherwise.

Agreed but you still have only stated one case a blurry one at that why Clinton was socially liberal; don't ask don't tell...lol

You can't possibly come up with more reason's why democrats are worse in the War on Drugs than republicans. That would be a total waste of time.

And Presidents can't pass anything. Congress passes legislation and the President signs it or vetos it.

When it is mentioned that a president "passed" a bill it means he didn't veto it.

The Vice-President, as President of the Senate has more power to pass legislation than the POTUS. Smart Presidents shepherd their agenda through Congress.

Now you are muddling up terms. The literary definition of liberal differs markedly from the political definition.

No you get your political definition from people who don't even hold degree's who have no right to rename things and shape them to whatever they vilify. Liberal will always mean first and foremost socially liberal. Economic liberalism means right wing. Conservative can mean both social and fiscal restriction. But restriction can be held to either side right or left. That's real politics and real politics is to boring for most to stomach.

I support Ron Paul. He's one of very few Republicans I do support. Most of the politicians I support you probably have never heard of. In fact, I have feeling you have never heard the name of the person I voted for President last election: Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party.

Nice 2 politicians out of 10,000 lonely world for you.

Your statement about Jeffersonian Liberals indicates your own ignorance.

No being a Jeffersonian conservative is a laughable blanket term which means sticking to the guidelines of the constitution, which are debatable- and there in lies the problem with being a Jeffersonian conservative it means absolutely nothing. So either side could claim to be Jeffersonian conservatives.

Many Republicans have no idea what it means to be Conservative. They have bought into the misguided Progressive notion that the U.S. was founded as a democracy. They support the fascist policies of the Democratic party which has led to the Corporatism Progressives call Capitalism.
Wow, fascist! you threw that one out. See the problem with that is it's actually an old obsolete term. To be fascist you have to be 1940's European progressive which means you believe in eugenics which is the belief that all undesirable traits are passed down by genetics. That human interracial breeding creates less intelligent sub-humans and selective breeding needs to happen to insure national superiority.

Secondly, it's a militaristic fight for superiority with unrelenting patriotic fervor. It came about by extreme Darwinistic principles brought into social geography. if a country did not abide by a rigid guideline of military and obedience to nationalism and destroy all international influence which rots the true culture of a country (which was usually decided by a leader or a cultural comity) they would eventually fall victim to take over.

Socialism and liberalism have all kinds of meanings in so many regions. Many times you can't just make terms fit just because it's the same word, people have bastardized them so many times to fit their political wedges. See progressive in fascist Italy was opposed to liberalism because liberalism was internationalism. But progressivism was suportive of cultural conservitism which has little to do with American conservitism.

I could go on and on about how foolish it is to call anything in America fascist unless it's the actual fascist party. I'm actually a schooled expert in this matter and I don't feel like teaching class.
 

Johnnyorganic

Well-Known Member
Wow, fascist! you threw that one out. See the problem with that is it's actually an old obsolete term. To be fascist you have to be 1940's European progressive which means you believe in eugenics which is the belief that all undesirable traits are passed down by genetics. That human interracial breeding creates less intelligent sub-humans and selective breeding needs to happen to insure national superiority.

Secondly, it's a militaristic fight for superiority with unrelenting patriotic fervor. It came about by extreme Darwinistic principles brought into social geography. if a country did not abide by a rigid guideline of military and obedience to nationalism and destroy all international influence which rots the true culture of a country (which was usually decided by a leader or a cultural comity) they would eventually fall victim to take over.

Socialism and liberalism have all kinds of meanings in so many regions. Many times you can't just make terms fit just because it's the same word, people have bastardized them so many times to fit their political wedges. See progressive in fascist Italy was opposed to liberalism because liberalism was internationalism. But progressivism was suportive of cultural conservitism which has little to do with American conservitism.

I could go on and on about how foolish it is to call anything in America fascist unless it's the actual fascist party. I'm actually a schooled expert in this matter and I don't feel like teaching class.
So you are an absolutist now. It's cute how you keep trying to change the parameters of the debate when you get backed into a corner. LOL!

One can hold fast to Fascist doctrine without being a card-carrying Fascist. Likewise Democrats can and do champion Socialist ideals, just as there are Conservative Democrats. In fact, currently it is Conservative Democrats causing the most headaches for the ruling party rather than Republicans.

I had no idea Fascism was obsolete. The disciples of Saul Alinsky might disagree with you in private, but never in public.

The War on Drugs has done plenty to promote a police state in the U.S. Don't give me that shit about Nixon and Reagan, because Democrats are just as guilty. In fact, F.D.R. got the ball rolling. And Jimmy Carter didn't do a fucking thing beyond talking about re-legalization. I've already applauded Obama for taking the heat off of medical cannabis, but he also said very recently that re-legalization is out of the question.

My point is that both parties benefit as we steadily march toward Fascism. They just can't call it that. They have to get elected after all.

Let's have a gander at a few tenants of European Fascism of the 1930's and see how applicable they are in modern American political culture.

Anti-smoking Program (Anti-tobacco taxes, laws, and initiatives).
Guaranteed pensions for the elderly (Social Security).
Universal Health Care (Medicare, Medicaid, Public Option).
State Capitalism aka Corporatism (General Motors, et al.).
Seizure of inherited wealth (The Death Tax).
Gun Control (Gun Control).
Government Education (Public Education).
Eugenics (Stem Cell Research).
Abortion (Abortion).
Euthanasia (Assisted Suicide).

Funny. It was the Nazis who, were Socialists in name and in practice, did all those things.
 
yes i am. but that doesnt keep me from having a good laugh. thats just not even a half decent attempt at a joke. but hey, to each his own i suppose.
no, the joke is very funny especially when put in the context of this forum. the only people who dont get it are oblivious conservatives, children, and retards. which are you?
 

SmokeyMcChokey

Well-Known Member
no, the joke is very funny especially when put in the context of this forum. the only people who dont get it are oblivious conservatives, children, and retards. which are you?
i understand your joke. its just not funny. call me a nazi all you want it just shows how immature you really are. Which is why feel hatred toward that which YOU dont understand. Its ok we all have to grow up some day. some later than others. Have a good one enjoy your hate mongering while hippocratically spewing your anti nazi rants.
Peace loser
get ignored...:finger:
 

SmokeyMcChokey

Well-Known Member
no, the joke is very funny especially when put in the context of this forum. the only people who dont get it are oblivious conservatives, children, and retards. which are you?
btw its funny you would compare conservatives to children. at least we dont expect our mommy an daddy (aka fed) to give us handouts. Nor do we rely on lame attempts at social control. just saying. its kind of oxymoronic.:confused:
 
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