witnesses to compact strains not being as good as REAL stretchy sativas, please

as always, having issues with stupid ass troll pieces of shit that try to argue with EVERYTHING i say, whether it's true or not, and need some reality check here from those of you growing REAL sativas and hazes that know the difference between a stretchy satriva and a watered down hybrid. i don't have much experience growing IBL sativas yet as i'm still working on getting a headstash from hybrids, but i know SOME of you even look down on those. you're growing better. do me a favor and educate these fools on why there's no such thing as a trippy AND motivational "compact sativa". something's gotta give, either you lose the motivational aspects or the trippiness, or both. it'sd hard to even keep real sativa traits WITHOUT shrinking plants as i'm sure one or two of you can attest regarding watered down hazes that aren't the real deal. with the hybrids i HAVE grown, two of the trippiest ones were stretchy and had motivational buzzes too... haze x skunk & sweet haze while the more compact jack's cleaner 2 had trippiness, but at the expense of a stonier mid buzz. everything else pretty much was a "generic not at all trippy watered down haze" at best. please do share the facts why you have to give up on compact plants if you want a REAL sativa high. these fools must think they know what getting high is and never have.

It has nothing to do with short or tall plants! It's all in the pheno, growing dank is in the genetics!. Harvesting early or late affects the high also. Spend some money and go with Mr. Nice Amnesia Haze!

I fail to see the problem here.

If you don't like short sativa hybrids, then don't grow any.

If you're looking for some sort of equatorial sativa effect, then why not grow an actual sativa plant?

Believe it or not, it actually CAN be done indoors (see the first line of my sig, below, for example). . .just not by you, apparently.

If you grow out a 10 pack of a haze, some will be taller than others. Doesnt mean the buzz will be better, or different. Height doesnt have anything to do with it.

Arent you the same guy that grows 12 inch plants and cuts them down? How does the height affect it?

Height does not play a factor into potency , hazey I think your a idiot your pointless bantering and rambling is getting very annoying !

hazey grapes said:

please do share the facts why you have to give up on compact plants if you want a REAL sativa high

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The "fact" is, that with your absolutely dismal grow record, you are not in any position to make statements like this.

One more time, there is NO relationship between a plant's height and its cannabinoid production or the quality of its "high".

In GENERAL, sativa plants tend to stretch more during flowering, and in general they're taller than indica plants, but this is a BROAD generalization, and you can't apply it to every plant, ESPECIALLY not to plants purpose bred for specific reasons, nor ones grown indoors under relatively unnatural conditions.

You can have an awesome smoking 1 foot high dwarf autoflower, or a 20 foot high hemp sativa plant with ZERO cannabinoids fit only for making fiber.

Yes, of course genetics matter, but absolute plant height is mostly about environment, that is, how any given plant is grown. You can take two identical clones from the same mother plant, and grow one to maturity into a 15 foot "tree" and the second one into a 2 foot "stick".

Furthermore, you don't have to "give up" on anything. If you know what you're doing, there are all sorts of tricks you can use to make plants with tall-tending genetics grow in limited vertical space.

Unfortunately for you, its plain that you don't know what you're doing, and with your attitude probably never will.

i don't have much experience growing IBL sativas yet

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No s@#t. Perhaps you should consider putting away the keyboard and spending a little more time in the grow room until you do.

i'm still working on getting a headstash from hybrids

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So you can't even grow "normal" plants either, eh?
Why am I not surprised by this.

Yeah sure, sativas get tall, indicas stay more short.

Landrace sativas generally do poorly indoors.

Is it hard to get good sativa to grow indoors, or outdoors without a long growing season and decent weather?... Yes it is.

The major problem I've seen with seed stock available is with the sativas. They take to long, get to big, and usually aren't very potent.

Vincent VonBlown said:

Yeah sure, sativas get tall, indicas stay more short.

Landrace sativas generally do poorly indoors.

Is it hard to get good sativa to grow indoors, or outdoors without a long growing season and decent weather?... Yes it is.

The major problem I've seen with seed stock available is with the sativas. They take to long, get to big, and usually aren't very potent.

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Agreeing with all of above, there are any number of problems growing landrace sativas indoors:

-Tall stretchy plants require extra work and skill to grow in limited height small indoor grows.
-Super long flowering times (16+ weeks), and in some cases, its not clear when (if ever) the plants are "finished".
-Hermaphrodite prone genetics. Many of these lines will go hermie no matter what you do.
-Relatively low yields (depending on line).
-Potential low potency (depending on line).

Next issue, is that the whole characteristics of special scent, flavor, and high quality may require native conditions to achieve. You're simply not going to be able to replicate the exact native temperature, humidity, soil pH and quality, actual sunlight with increased UV, etc indoors.

"Can" it be done? Yes. . .I just question whether or not its really worth the effort in most cases.

And now we have this idiocy from Hazey. . .who by his own admission has never actually grown one of these plants or anything else worth talking about. . .saying that you can't grow good plants unless they're tall.

To this I just say, grow some super silver haze and STFU.

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So you can't even grow "normal" plants either, eh?
Why am I not surprised by this.

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for real just take a look at the pics hes posted.....


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I'm sure we all wish we could cash crop like hazey does right? lmao, it would take me 2 years growing and not smoking to get me enough weed to smoke while running a good 16 week sativa if I yielded like hazey. fucking guy can't even bring an 8 week strain past 4 weeks cause he cuts when they start to stink. lmao,

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for real just take a look at the pics hes posted.....


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I'm sure we all wish we could cash crop like hazey does right? lmao, it would take me 2 years growing and not smoking to get me enough weed to smoke while running a good 16 week sativa if I yielded like hazey. fucking guy can't even bring an 8 week strain past 4 weeks cause he cuts when they start to stink. lmao,

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You forgot one

Not another Solo Cup grow bahahaha .. Hazey , you do realize that your Psychiatric Mediciation has an effect upon what you smoke ?

If you want a True Sativa High , you might have to grow in a Garbage can verses a Solo Cup , Age is the most critical factor with True Sativas and nothing more !

Damn yall are tearing him up lol

i'm not talking about raw POTENCY... HELLO! i'm talking about THC profiles. of course indica dominant strains win the percentage drag race, but a potent stone is a potent SUCK. there still isn't a single vote for "nothing but stoned" in the poll that shows only 1 in 5 like getting stoned a little more than high.

yes, you CAN get tall plants that are stony and compact ones that aren't, but NOT with a full sativa grade trippiness. motivational and trippy are not the greatest in hybrids. maybe in another 20 years, there'll be even BETTER sativa substitutes than jack herer, but that's about as close to a sativa as you're going to get in a manageable size with decent yields and even then, you'll get more stone. there's only so much you can do with hybrid pheno selection.

you go making all these bogus claims, then come on toy! name that 4 foot tall trippy stone free haze you claim exists that doesn't. it's all good talking shit and hiding behind generalizations, but you have no proof behind your bogus theory and you KNOW if you try naming some nice hybrid, you'll put your foot in your mouth when someone that's tried it compares it to a landrace or at least legit haze.

i've looked for an indoor thai for a couple decades now. the jury's out, they don't exist! the BEST anyone could name a few years ago was super silver haze and apollo 13, both of which aren't exactly motivational. if 100 members in another forum couldn't name better, i know you can't.

so answer the fucking question already! what's this motivational 4 foot haze as good as the real deal because "short plants are just as good as tall ones". don't be a pussy, back your claim up with some evidence, in public, or just keep changing the subject and showing what pathetic lying sacks of troll shit you are.

yep... same shit on page two... ignore the question, change the subject, and talk shit like a stoopid ass preschooler on a playground. way to prove what a lying sack of shit you are. you can't anbswer the question, but you CAN change the topic.

fucking LOSERS! LYING SACK OF SHIT LOSERS.

the facts are on my side. keep changing the subject though... real fucking scientific and factual approach. such is the modus operandi of fucking MORONS. just like tea party losers... ignore the facts, talk shit, get in a circle jerk, and that's all the "facts" you need... just a butt buddy's dick to suck.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A 4 FOOT TALL SATIVA!

if you think there is, then you don't know shit about getting high and have never been

Any Haze can be 4 feet high if you grow it that way.

Hint. . .

You have to NOT kill the plant by stripping off all its leaves, then burning what's left to a cinder.

Jogro said:

Any Haze can be 4 feet high if you grow it that way.

Hint. . .

You have to NOT kill the plant by stripping off all its leaves, then burning what's left to a cinder.

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I have to agree here

It seems sativa lovers always bash indicas. If sativa is what you want, why not grow one? I agree about upping the solo cup, those plants look about as bad as they could without being dead.

Try shackzilla from sannie. I good short flower time that packs a nice sativa punch, very hazy. But grow in a 5 gallon bucket for the whole time.

Looks like you set yourself up to get bashed, acting like you know everything. If your that knowledgable, then why even post questions that you dont like the answers you get? I am too confused to what exactly your trying to understand.

Losers, cock suckers, circle jerkers, etc will get you no where. You seem very confrontational. If you feel everyone is bashing you, maybe the problem is you and not everyone else? Just food for thought. I hope you find whatever it is you are looking for.

Thats just it kgp! Now you understand the hazey mentality lol

you know hazey it would make a lot more sense if you've actually grown a 16+ week strain and that aint even pure sativa cause nevilles haze is Nl5/HazeA x HazeC and she takes 16+ weeks to flower. why don't you just get some dr grinspoon its a heirloom sativa and I'm sure they sell them pick n mix. then you can actually say you've grown a full sativa and if its better or not and if you don't like cash cropper weed then why the fuck do you grow it I'm sure your Jack's Cleaner 2, Sweet Haze, Haze x Skunk & 8 Miles High have all been used by cash croppers. so why don't you actually grow some sativa and STFU!!! but you don't you grow hybrids then bitch about them but you do like them cause you got their names on your signature which makes you look like a jack ass and you wonder why people troll you.lmao hazey your a crazy basterd.

Jogro said:

Agreeing with all of above, there are any number of problems growing landrace sativas indoors:

-Tall stretchy plants require extra work and skill to grow in limited height small indoor grows.
-Super long flowering times (16+ weeks), and in some cases, its not clear when (if ever) the plants are "finished".
-Hermaphrodite prone genetics. Many of these lines will go hermie no matter what you do.
-Relatively low yields (depending on line).
-Potential low potency (depending on line).

Next issue, is that the whole characteristics of special scent, flavor, and high quality may require native conditions to achieve. You're simply not going to be able to replicate the exact native temperature, humidity, soil pH and quality, actual sunlight with increased UV, etc indoors.

"Can" it be done? Yes. . .I just question whether or not its really worth the effort in most cases.

And now we have this idiocy from Hazey. . .who by his own admission has never actually grown one of these plants or anything else worth talking about. . .saying that you can't grow good plants unless they're tall.

To this I just say, grow some super silver haze and STFU.

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I grow landrace sativas indoors fairly regularly, its kind of a 'thing' of mine, and there's a fairly simple secret. Don't flower your seed plants. Keep them in veg forever. Instead, when they are old enough to sex from their preflowers, cut your female clones, and when they have sufficiently rooted, put them straight into flowering. Many tropic zone sativas will grow vegetatively for three-five weeks after 12/12 induction, ending up with an overall 4-5x stretch, and flowering them when they are clones of 12 inches or less will still result in some big, healthy plants without the adverse growth problems that can be caused by 12/12 induction before the plant is sexually mature. (See some of hazey grapes grows for visual representations of these effects)

Also, yes, they will often herm like a motherfucker, partivularly thai dominant strains, late in flowering for either no reason or the slightest provocation. Just have to stay on top of it, which ain't easy.

Yeah sure, sativas get tall, indicas stay more short.

Landrace sativas generally do poorly indoors.

Is it hard to get good sativa to grow indoors, or outdoors without a long growing season and decent weather?... Yes it is.

The major problem I've seen with seed stock available is with the sativas. They take to long, get to big, and usually aren't very potent.

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that's my point. you can't get compact plants that smoke like REAL sativas. YOU CAN'T! i've looked for decades and they just don't exist, BUT there ARE some really nice hybrids that capture SOME of the magic of real landraces, but never ALL of it... NEVER!

you other trolls can fucking quote me on that because you can't prove me wrong. pure sativas ARE a low yielding pain in the ass to grow, but if you want un-diltuted QUALITY, you just have to accept that compromise, or find a way to grow them outdoors in a suitable environment. the way i like to look at it, you want the most love from jah, you gotta give up the greed and give some back. you try and take shorts, the quality declines.

bitches keep arguing that size doesn't matter, but not one of you useless fucks can name a SINGLE compact plant that has the same QUALITY of high as pure columbian, thai, malawi gold, panama red, vietnamese blackseed or cambodian etc. because the whole time you're trying to insinuate i don't know what the fuck i'm talking about when i've been researching sativa highs since the fucking EIGHTIES, you know you'll look like the fucking idiot you are when you try and prove your fantasy point. you know if you try and say "blah blah blah 10 week compact strain smokes no different than a sativa tree", i'll bookmark it and make you troll fucks look like the fidiots you are for every day of your fucking life!

I'm sure we all wish we could cash crop like hazey does right? lmao,

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fuck cash crapping AND the fucking "bag appeal" lies to fucking death! you're totally missing my fucking point when. like the obfuscating loser you are who can't argue ON FUCKING POINT and must change the subject to avoid backing your fucking lies up top try and stir other fidiots up. fuck cash cropping shit! it sucks! anyone that's experienced and old school HIGH or is growing even better (read more difficult, longer flower and lower yielding) gear than me knows what's fucking up! you instantly lose any feeble attempts in arguing QUALITY when you take the cash crapping "QUANTITY FIRST" stance.

there is no such fucking thing as a cash cropping strain that smokes totally like a pure sativa and may never be. come on you fucking idiots... it'd be soooooo fucking easy to name some magical strains that don't fucking exist and PROVE me wrong once and for all, but you can't so once and for all, shut the fuck up or answer the question directly you stupid pieces of shit who can only talk trash and change the subject, but back nothing up with facts.

what fast flowering compact strain deserves to replace landraces because it's just as good in EVERY WAY? you ain't got shit to back you stance up losers. admit you're full of shit, or just keep changing the subject and proving your dishonesty and/or stupidity. you can't get a pure sativa high without growing a fucking pure sativa. size does fucking matter!

yes, in the world of inferior mids, you can get tall afghanis and compact hybrids that get you high, but never as high or trippy as a real sativa, EVER, just a watered down facsimile.

It seems sativa lovers always bash indicas. If sativa is what you want, why not grow one? I agree about upping the solo cup, those plants look about as bad as they could without being dead.

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i'm not bashing indicas here, just indica loving trolls who stick their punk ass bitch noses up my ass every time i talk about the superior HYBRIDS i've smoked. honestly, i can be happy with a little bit of stone and smoke nothing BUT hybrids like jack's cleaner 2 for the rest of my life. i don't need to blaze a landrace, but i'd never turn one down either.

i have an attitude because there's a fucking legion of pieces of shit that fucking STALK me and try and undo the truth with whatever lies they can pull out of their asses. i'm fighting lying pieces of shit back and not pulling my punches. it's a fight to the fucking death.

i do plan on growing malawi gold very soon, and have TRIED to grow highland thai, and even after 3-4 months and 3 transplants to 2 gallons, it still refused to flower and when it did, turned hermie. i'm more pragmatic than that. i can settle for a strain that's not quite as trippy etc. if it's way more doable, and hybrids take some of that paranoid edge off too.

haze skunk is every bit as good as a pure landrace to me. it's less trippy than columbian gold, but not shabby either, but it's also more potent, maybe longer lasting and definitely less stony as gold would turn into pure stone inside a month. that's IBL enough for me.

i'll try the more difficult gear when i have head stash first and perfect my budding chops (and maybe put a few uppity neighbors in my soil mix hahahahaha!, just kidding, but i can fantasize) but all the hybrids i love that these troll fucks have some kind of AGENDA to steer others away from out of jealousy, or insecurity because they know their profits oriented schwag sucks in comparison are more than good enough for me.

FACT: not one greedy cash cropping fuck has EVER gotten me higher than even fucking pissweak mexican brick and: malawi gold, haze x skunk, jack's cleaner 2, sweet haze, 8 miles high, auto jack, thai fantasy, thai x skunk, sativa trans love, CH9 jack, onyx, C99, super cali haze, my own SCH x C99 fruity booty, rokerij (fake) amnesia haze, super lemon mutant, i mean haze, mexcom et al bagseed's fucking leaflet trim (fuck you! it's true!) and even lemon skunk. this is a fucking fact and too fucking bad if it hurts and pieces of shit's feelings! the ONLY bud i've EVER bought that got me at least a littler high was the boring ass skunk #1 i was getting for a month and one time when i scored a mixed bag with lavender, pineapple something and catpiss, and those were only better than average mids at that. i've gotten comparable from sour cream and masterkush in my room too.

if you want to trash me bitches, bring some fucking facts to the table and stop trying to obfuscate THE TRUTH. may god strike me dead here and now if i come here and lie!

shit! i can't find the thread where hellraiser puts his foot in his mouth denying he's a greedy cash crapper in one breath, then admitting in the very next one that he grows schwag for better yields, but i CAN answer this question i've been waiting for the opportunity to for a very long time...

hazey! What have you done for the community?

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well let's see... i know at least one cash crapper almost whose entire line including blue widow was GIFTED by me along with another connected dealer i gifted ALL of my OG kushes and 4 out of 5 of my TH seeds freebies to except SAGE to FOR FREE and have a few other "stinkers" like amsterdam skunk (but sinclair's sativa trans-love kicks ass for fast budding in a high better than C99) i intend to gift to someone eventually as well as going out of my way for TEARS helping people find strains they'd like even if they're ones i'd never try myself like NL5 & trinity. and as always, trying to preach the high flying gospel that's such a threat to greedy cash crapping fucks that they'll say ANYTHING to suppress the truth like the lying pieces of shit they are. one grower in another forum was extremely grateful for my recommendation of 8 miles high i think, and here, i reminded one old schooler the reason they don't get high anymore isn't their fault. i do everything i can to educate peeps to the fact that better buzzes than what they waste their money on do in fact exist and STILL another fact busting thread i created is still proving people would rather get high than stoned, and of course, troll pieces of shit showed up there too to try and suppress the truth.
https://www.rollitup.org/toke-n-talk/574378-do-you-prefer-getting-high.html
i'm trying to make the world a better place, and i'm not in it for ANY money so that's what the fuck i'm doing for the community! i'm trying to undo all the bag appeal lies that make the world a worse place for anyone but greedy fucks profiting off others like leeches and that refuse to put an ounce of pride or love into god's greatest gift. that's what i do for the community and i'm about the oinly one on that mission.