Worms and castings

st0wandgrow

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If any of you are looking to buy worms, or worm castings I found a great spot in Ann Arbor. I picked up a lb of worms, some bedding, and a 20lb bag of castings to get me by until my bin starts producing. I paid $25 for the worms, $10 for a big bag of bedding, and $20 for a 20lb bag of castings. They sell teas, potting mixes, etc as well. Cool little spot that I highly recommend if you're in the market for some worm stuff and want to support a local company.

http://www.starrvalleyfarms.com/Home.php
 

HelpHub

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I've been reading "Worms Eat My Garbage" by Mary Appelhof which is supposed to be the book on the subject. After I got the book I found out she's from K'zoo... From reading, it seems pretty easy as long as you just keep an eye on things in the bin and don't let the environment swing any direction quickly. The only thing I'm uncertain of is whether or not our house produces enough proper food scraps to keep the worms fed. Guess that means for fruits and veggies and less Hamburger Helper...
 

buckaroo bonzai

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...... make sure you're getting red wigglers (Eisenia Fetida) for the purposes of composting...

wermz are our friendz :eyesmoke:
(the 'red' ones)

brothers of the wermz > r pharmerz...

if you can make your container/soil into a yummy mix of goodness for these wigglerz guyz ...
then they will show you their gratitude

they shit gold!!
better than a goose

and if you find them orgiastically squirming in your root ball when you 'pull'
.....you have indeed earned their friendship and the honor of carrying the name of 'brother' in werm circles

where is the 'Buddha' Rrog ?
he will give us a witness to this-
i have heard the wermz get dinner @his house every nite

yes a werm thread is a good thing...
if you wanna learn grow good ganj:leaf:
....the wermz can teach you
 

ProfessorPotSnob

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I used to talk with a skilled Old School Farmer in Amsterdam , he used his chicken shit to feed his soil beds and worms were his best friend .

Now it's time for The Straight Dope on worms .


What's the story on North American earthworms?


What's the true history of North American earthworms? Through various haphazard library and online research, I have come across three theories. Please confirm or debunk the following:
1) North America lost all earthworms in the last few ice ages and the ones we see today are immigrants from the human colonists from Europe (hmm . . . which also had many ice ages).
2) North America has many species of its own earthworms, but they are being almost totally ousted by European imports.
3) The worms we see in our backyards are and always have been native to North America.
Please sort out this all out.
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First off, all of North America was not scraped down to bare rock during the ice ages, and that's about what it would take to wipe out all the earthworms. It might be fair to say that much of Canada was stripped of its native earthworms last time around, but relatively little of the U.S., and none of Mexico, was affected.
Second, the native worms aren't being wiped out. There are currently 17 native species and 13 European species in the eastern United States,Lumbricus terrestris being the most common import, and in many areas the dominant species in the topsoil. The native species may be less abundant than they once were, but if they were going to be "ousted," they'd be gone by now. I'm not aware of any ongoing flux in the system, and think it's pretty much stabilized over the last hundred years.
Finally, it's unlikely that all the worms you see in your backyard are native to North America, but not impossible, especially if you live in a spot like Arizona or SoCal or New Mexico, etc., where the imports don't do as well (European species don't adapt well to deserts). If you live in the East, you're just going to have to learn to recognize 30 virtually identical species if you want to know for sure. Welcome to the world of invertebrate taxonomy!
 

buckaroo bonzai

Well-Known Member
I used to talk with a skilled Old School Farmer in Amsterdam , he used his chicken shit to feed his soil beds and worms were his best friend .

Now it's time for The Straight Dope on worms .


What's the story on North American earthworms?


What's the true history of North American earthworms? Through various haphazard library and online research, I have come across three theories. Please confirm or debunk the following:
1) North America lost all earthworms in the last few ice ages and the ones we see today are immigrants from the human colonists from Europe (hmm . . . which also had many ice ages).
2) North America has many species of its own earthworms, but they are being almost totally ousted by European imports.
3) The worms we see in our backyards are and always have been native to North America.
Please sort out this all out.
—
First off, all of North America was not scraped down to bare rock during the ice ages, and that's about what it would take to wipe out all the earthworms. It might be fair to say that much of Canada was stripped of its native earthworms last time around, but relatively little of the U.S., and none of Mexico, was affected.
Second, the native worms aren't being wiped out. There are currently 17 native species and 13 European species in the eastern United States,Lumbricus terrestris being the most common import, and in many areas the dominant species in the topsoil. The native species may be less abundant than they once were, but if they were going to be "ousted," they'd be gone by now. I'm not aware of any ongoing flux in the system, and think it's pretty much stabilized over the last hundred years.
Finally, it's unlikely that all the worms you see in your backyard are native to North America, but not impossible, especially if you live in a spot like Arizona or SoCal or New Mexico, etc., where the imports don't do as well (European species don't adapt well to deserts). If you live in the East, you're just going to have to learn to recognize 30 virtually identical species if you want to know for sure. Welcome to the world of invertebrate taxonomy!



they are ""native"" ...their >red:eyesmoke:
their tribe goes back many milliniums of moons:joint:
 

st0wandgrow

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I've been reading "Worms Eat My Garbage" by Mary Appelhof which is supposed to be the book on the subject. After I got the book I found out she's from K'zoo... From reading, it seems pretty easy as long as you just keep an eye on things in the bin and don't let the environment swing any direction quickly. The only thing I'm uncertain of is whether or not our house produces enough proper food scraps to keep the worms fed. Guess that means for fruits and veggies and less Hamburger Helper...
I've been keeping track of the amount of food I would otherwise toss if I didn't have this bin. It really adds up quickly. Plus I have rabbits that are fed a timmothy hay/alfalfa diet and I throw some of their poop in the bin too. The worms seem to love it, and the cat I bought the worms from said the young worms will actually burrow in to the feces and eat their way out.
 

st0wandgrow

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Helphub, this is the book I bought. It covers all of the basics but I think the one you have is more in depth.

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This is the bin. Nothing special. 20 gallon opaque plastic bin with 1/4" aeration holes drilled in the side and top. Rrog uses a 35 gallon smartpot which I was gonna go with, but Home Depot was closer than the hydro store.

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Here are the worms. Their bedding is a mixture of coco coir and shredded cardboard. They are dining on a slurry of rotten cantaloupe (which they love), greens, cucumber, strawberry's, carrots, avocado, pulverized egg shells, coffee grounds, a handful of soil and rabbit poop.
 

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HelpHub

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Vermiculture Club, I love it! I've got a rabbit too and planned on throwing his poop in with the worms. About time he earned his keep and I harness his staggering ability to generate shit. Glad to hear how much the worms will enjoy the addition.
 

st0wandgrow

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Vermiculture Club, I love it! I've got a rabbit too and planned on throwing his poop in with the worms. About time he earned his keep and I harness his staggering ability to generate shit. Glad to hear how much the worms will enjoy the addition.
lmao!! That's an understatement. I'd have to be running 50 worm bins to keep up with the supply of rabbit shit around here
 

st0wandgrow

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Stow have you used any of there soils?.
No I haven't. I picked up the worms, bedding, castings, and an ACT. Having met the guy and shot the shit with him for a good 1/2 hour it sounds like a really solid setup. The family has a cattle farm from what I gather, and they use these worms to compost the manure along with veggie and refuse from a garden. He was a really knowledgeable dude, so I would have to imagine his mix is pretty good.

Are you in the market for an organic soil mix? You should make one yourself!
 

HelpHub

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So hey, st0w...got any idea what kind of ratio of bunny shit you are putting in with your worms? I ask because I'm getting closer to setting up my bin. I've been weighting the poop my boy produces and it's about 2 lbs. a week. I must harness the potential of this poop!
 

ProfessorPotSnob

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So hey, st0w...got any idea what kind of ratio of bunny shit you are putting in with your worms? I ask because I'm getting closer to setting up my bin. I've been weighting the poop my boy produces and it's about 2 lbs. a week. I must harness the potential of this poop!
I used to grow organics inside back in my beginning , and my Rabbits provided me with all the ferts I could handle and then some more lol . There is a beneficial to the left over spilled alfalfa pellets mixed in with the Rabbit Droppings and Urea once broken down and aged .
 

st0wandgrow

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So hey, st0w...got any idea what kind of ratio of bunny shit you are putting in with your worms? I ask because I'm getting closer to setting up my bin. I've been weighting the poop my boy produces and it's about 2 lbs. a week. I must harness the potential of this poop!
As PPS mentioned, it's important to note that the real benefit from using rabbit poop comes from the alfalfa that you feed them. There is a growth hormone contained in alfalfa (triacontonol) that stimulates plant growth. I've been adding about 2 parts veggie/fruit scraps, and 1 part rabbit poop. You can use more if you wish, or less. The place that I got my worms from used the worms to compost mostly cow manure, so using any quantity of rabbit poop will be fine. Supposedly rabbit poop is the most beneficial of all manures to use so you can go to town with it in your worm bin and the worms will love it and your plants will love the resulting castings.
 

HelpHub

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Hmm...interesting... We feed our rabbit timothy hay and pellets. Less protein and calcium, which is better for adult rabbits. If he eats too much alfalfa his urine gets thick and pastey, like toothpaste. I wonder if timothy has the same benefits as alfalfa? Time to Google That Shit...no pun intended!
 
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